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Old 09-25-2017, 05:47 PM   #26
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In truth very few people drive 600 miles (10 hours) without stopping. Even most people stop every 3 hour or so for a bathroom/meal break. Even with current tech that 45 minute stop gives you 80-100 more miles of driving. So theoretically stopping every three hours you could theoretically go 17 hours before going to zero. It would mean five 45 minute stops to go 1000+ miles vs four 10 minute gas stops, but with the gas method you would probably stop and eat/do something anyways.

If most shopping/hotel/eatery places have a charging station, then you get both done at the same time.

if you need to go 600+ with no stops, then EV isn't for you.
For sure, but I want it to be.
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a hybrid system like the BMW i8 would be pretty cool. until we get battery tech further along, at least. Imagine a hybrid system that also involved an inline-4 motorcycle engine. I would take that compromise in a heartbeat. Let the electric motor cover the gap in fuel milage, emissions and torque.

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Old 09-25-2017, 08:05 PM   #28
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The Tesla Model S is a family setup and it trashed all those sport car in the 1/4th mile ..... how is that not impressive.

The fastest Nurburgring Lap time is help by an EV

Never say never. Comparing a dragster to models S is just ludicrous.
The fastest lap time round the ring is not held by an EV

Tesla made all sorts of performance claims in the past - something that fell apart at VIR a couple of years ago.

The Tesla 1/4mile trick is great but it can only do it twice in a row. At the end of the day thats all its got. Take the badge off and it could be a Mazda 6 - except it doesn't have the fit and finish of the TOTR Mazda and is triple the price.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:18 PM   #29
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The Tesla was quite fast, let's get that charge time down to 5-15 minutes for a full charge and we're in business.
Money rules the roost, it dictates.....

When EV's become mainstream you'll see charge times fall. It will be years before it's that fast however.
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Old 09-25-2017, 10:30 PM   #30
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The fastest lap time round the ring is not held by an EV
Pretty sure the fastest production car is an EV...

Battery tech is the only thing holding back EV race cars from being faster. And battery tech is changing in leaps and bounds. It's only a matter of time.
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Old 09-25-2017, 10:34 PM   #31
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Take it up to higher altitude, and it'll run faster. All the power, less drag.
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Old 09-25-2017, 10:54 PM   #32
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Pretty sure the fastest production car is an EV...

Battery tech is the only thing holding back EV race cars from being faster. And battery tech is changing in leaps and bounds. It's only a matter of time.
As far as Im aware, the Nio is the 8th fastest car round the ring and whilst battery technology is improving there are no step changes likely (as in order of magnitude changes in energy density).

The Viper, Aventador, Huracan, 918, and GT2 RS are all faster the Nio.

The ability to pack and unpack electrons is governed by well understood Physics not by car manufacturers
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Literally everywhere that I search on the interwebz states that the Nio EP9 is the fastest. Except perhaps wiki, because they list the EP9 as non-production.

https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

granted, it's not really a "production" car... but still proves that the technology is there.
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Old 09-26-2017, 01:45 AM   #34
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Agreed the Nio shows what is possible (but most would see it as a ring in)

1-Porsche 991.2 GT2 RS - 6:47 - legit
2-Radical SR8LM - 6:48 (realistically this is a race car with lights)
3-Huracan Performante - 6:52.1 - legit
4-Radical SR8 - 6:55 (again race car with lights)
5-Porsche 918 - 6:57.00 (legit)
6-Subaru WRX STI Type RA Prodrive - 6:57.50 (Effectively works rally car with gearing and aero for record attempt)
7-Aventador LP750 4SV - 6:59.73 (legit)
8-Dodge Viper ACR MkV - 7:01.30 (legit)
9-Nio EP9 - 7:05.12 - (not a production vehicle)
10-Nissan GT R Nismo - 7:08.68 (legit)
11-AMG GT R - 7:10.92 (legit)
12-Gumpert Apollo Sport - 7:11.57 (legit)
13-Dodge Viper SRT ACR - 7:12.13 (legit)
14-Porsche 991.2 GT3 - 7:12.70 (legit)

15-Corvette Z06 C7 - 7:13.9 (legit)
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Money rules the roost, it dictates.....

When EV's become mainstream you'll see charge times fall. It will be years before it's that fast however.
Yeah, I'll let the rich pay for the R&D, just like I do with televisions and computers and just about every other major consumer appliance.

They're getting there, the more I read about the super charge stations from Tesla the better I feel about the future of the platform. Nissan has done a lot to make EV's mainstream and affordable with the Leaf, Tesla has done a lot to make them sexy.
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The fastest lap time round the ring is not held by an EV

Tesla made all sorts of performance claims in the past - something that fell apart at VIR a couple of years ago.

The Tesla 1/4mile trick is great but it can only do it twice in a row. At the end of the day thats all its got. Take the badge off and it could be a Mazda 6 - except it doesn't have the fit and finish of the TOTR Mazda and is triple the price.
Who told you that a Tesla car can only go twice in a row at a drag strip? That's a myth. It can go way more many times down the strip than a ICE car while being consistent.

How many time can a Z06 go down the strip in a row ? Who about a Subaru before starts to know and pull timing?

The Tesla cars have issues at road course but not at a drag strip... But maybe the Model 3 will be a different story.

Whether you like it or not an EV is the faster car around the Nurburgring.
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Old 09-26-2017, 11:32 AM   #37
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Agreed the Nio shows what is possible (but most would see it as a ring in)


9-Nio EP9 - 7:05.12 - (not a production vehicle)
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Old 09-26-2017, 12:05 PM   #38
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Who told you that a Tesla car can only go twice in a row at a drag strip? That's a myth. It can go way more many times down the strip than a ICE car while being consistent.

How many time can a Z06 go down the strip in a row ? Who about a Subaru before starts to know and pull timing?

The Tesla cars have issues at road course but not at a drag strip... But maybe the Model 3 will be a different story.

Whether you like it or not an EV is the faster car around the Nurburgring.
There are also a number of drag strips that have started installing level 2 and level 3 chargers because EVs are showing up.


If you have time to watch a bunch of YouTube videos, check out the Speed Academy EV Evora project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV2X...ey6TyIZcx224TG
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you know what, I'll take one in that blue; have always been a fan of whale tail spoilers
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a hybrid system like the BMW i8 would be pretty cool. until we get battery tech further along, at least. Imagine a hybrid system that also involved an inline-4 motorcycle engine. I would take that compromise in a heartbeat. Let the electric motor cover the gap in fuel milage, emissions and torque.

Holy grail.
umm so still using gas....
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