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Old 04-09-2009, 09:22 PM   #1
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Default An odd strut/ spring question 02 WRX Wagon.

I have two new KYB GR-2s up front on MY02 WRX wagon. Im thinking of new springs but im wondering what to do if I need new struts due to an aggressive spring. Will it benefit/hurt any if I just change out the rears to something else.

I also need some help with spring selection. Im looking for a spring that gives the car a very agggressive stance but also with excellent auto x capabilty. I want something a little lower than the swift springs and much lower than the pinks. I was thinking Tanabe DF210s but im not sure if they are wagon specific(not really interested in buying camber plates and a saggy butt). There seem to be alot of RCE springs that could fit the bill but I want at least 40-50K more out of my current strut setup (new GR-2s front and stock struts rear).

i did try searching.

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Lower than swift, much lower than pinks, worried about what it will look like and wanting to go another 40-50 k out of what you have. Oh and it is for Auto-xing. I don't know that any two of those go together. I searched, and searched again. I had clear stated goals that were not difficult to reach, I just didn't know how. I spent months reading, measuring calculating, asking, researching, re-calculating, etc. etc. I found what seemed to be the direction for me to go and I waited until I had the money to do it right. I drove my baby for the first time tonight, sans alignment, and it was the best ride I've had since I bought her new. All I did was drive around at the speed limit in town.

I bought RCE wagon springs. I put them on with Koni inserts. I did a whole lot of other suspension mods also. If you want to know why I chose what I did, what my goals were, and how it has worked out for me so far I would gladly tell you. A two page post about it here is not what I intend to do. If you want something to meet your stated goals, you have to be open to all possibilities of the answer. If you want to do something but then close it in with expectations that are not reasonable you make it hard to reply with useful information. It then becomes a "what's the best compromise of bad choices". Did you read the 5 year long thread about wagon specific set ups ? There is two, one around 235 245 tires on wagons (which also goes into suspension), and one for wagon suspensions, oh and another for daily driver wagons and their set ups.
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Lower than swift, much lower than pinks, worried about what it will look like and wanting to go another 40-50 k out of what you have. Oh and it is for Auto-xing. I don't know that any two of those go together. I searched, and searched again. I had clear stated goals that were not difficult to reach, I just didn't know how. I spent months reading, measuring calculating, asking, researching, re-calculating, etc. etc. I found what seemed to be the direction for me to go and I waited until I had the money to do it right. I drove my baby for the first time tonight, sans alignment, and it was the best ride I've had since I bought her new. All I did was drive around at the speed limit in town.

I bought RCE wagon springs. I put them on with Koni inserts. I did a whole lot of other suspension mods also. If you want to know why I chose what I did, what my goals were, and how it has worked out for me so far I would gladly tell you. A two page post about it here is not what I intend to do. If you want something to meet your stated goals, you have to be open to all possibilities of the answer. If you want to do something but then close it in with expectations that are not reasonable you make it hard to reply with useful information. It then becomes a "what's the best compromise of bad choices". Did you read the 5 year long thread about wagon specific set ups ? There is two, one around 235 245 tires on wagons (which also goes into suspension), and one for wagon suspensions, oh and another for daily driver wagons and their set ups.
not to thread hijack, but when you get a change PLEASE write up your setup and impressions so far.
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I have been posting in the wagon suspension set ups thread. By the way, I LOVE it and I don't even get it aligned until tomorrow.
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Im looking for a spring that gives the car a very agggressive stance but also with excellent auto x capabilty. I want something a little lower than the swift springs and much lower than the pinks. I was thinking Tanabe DF210s but im not sure if they are wagon specific(not really interested in buying camber plates and a saggy butt). There seem to be alot of RCE springs that could fit the bill but I want at least 40-50K more out of my current strut setup (new GR-2s front and stock struts rear).
I think you have to consider a few things:

1) The DF210s say they offer a big drop but only increase spring rates by 10-15%. This seems like a bad combination. I think you need a bigger spring rate increase or you'll keep hitting the bump stops.

2) Conventional wisdom is that a big drop messes up your handling. If you want good autox performance, you can't slam the car down low. Especially not on weak springs.

3) I think the GR-2s are more like an OE replacement than a performance shock. Trying to get 40-50K more miles on basically OE shocks with significant spring changes is going to be a challenge.

Cliff Notes is that you can't get what you want and you have to reconsider your goals.
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Old 04-11-2009, 01:13 AM   #6
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Alright thanks for the responses. I think Koni inserts are on the list and I am goiong to have to reconsider my wants for a big drop. What seem to be the best aggresive springs for the price?
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I went with RCE wagons for the rate and geometry solving drop (1.25" or so). You can check them out, though they don't go into a lot of detail on their site. They are $329 a set. If you PM Turn in Concepts they should be able to help you find a way to reach your goals within your budget, or at least get you started in a direction that you won't be cursing about later. There are a lot of options, but I think you would be remiss if you didn't at least check it out.

This is my wagon on RCE's and Koni inserts.
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i like that drop but not the price lol.
Ill see if i can get those cheaper. Is there any spring with similiar drop and stiff rates?
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So the spring rate for the RCE wagon spring is about 320 front 275 rear, drop 1.25" +/- .25". You can see what you can find. If you look at the sedan springs you will have more options for good rates, but you will need to get the spacer for the rears. I hope you find something you are happy with.
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No attention is needed for the front with sedan springs right?
What kind of spaceers do you need for the rear?
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There are a few different brands. I don't need them so I can't recall them all off hand, but if you search "saggy butt shims" you should find several posts on them. TiC has some on their site. I think RCE makes some as well. Paranoid Fabrications makes a set if I am not mistaken. All three are vendors here so easy enough to research.

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So the spring rate for the RCE wagon spring is about 320 front 275 rear
I think the rate for the RCE Wagons is more like 275F/257R.
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I think the rate for the RCE Wagons is more like 275F/257R.
I didn't measure it, I am just using the info RCE has on their website.
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i like that drop but not the price lol.
Check out this thread for specials:
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