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Old 01-04-2019, 05:35 PM   #26
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Looks like the RA stays in BS while the regular STi (minus the 19 maybe?) goes to DS. Split classing like I guessed.
and the GDs go to HS. Sweet!
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Old 01-05-2019, 08:43 PM   #27
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and the GDs go to HS. Sweet!
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Old 01-05-2019, 10:45 PM   #28
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Yep they separated the 2019 and type RA's from the rest of the STI's. Evidenly the 5 HP bump scared the SEB.
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:40 PM   #29
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Looks like the RA stays in BS while the regular STi (minus the 19 maybe?) goes to DS. Split classing like I guessed.
Unless something changed since 1/2 the 2019 rules draft shows all STI's in DS.
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Old 01-06-2019, 10:18 AM   #30
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Go look at Appendix A in the 2019 draft rules again. GD STis are not listed, neither are current WRXs and there is a 2001 WRX listed in GS. Somebody messed up, but thatís how itís written currently lol
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Old 01-06-2019, 05:12 PM   #31
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I emailed the Solo Board requesting to keep all the STI's in the same class. There isn't any evidence the new models are faster at this time. Might change with the S209 but right now it makes no sense to separate the 2018 from 2019 and so forth.

The earlier STI's are probably still faster right now anyway.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:55 AM   #32
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Yep they separated the 2019 and type RA's from the rest of the STI's. Evidenly the 5 HP bump scared the SEB.
Or the bigger brakes or revised DCCD...still seems minimal for the gap in classing.
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Old 01-12-2019, 12:29 PM   #33
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Or the bigger brakes or revised DCCD...still seems minimal for the gap in classing.
The bigger brakes and DCCD were in the 2018's and they are in DS. Both those might actually be slowing down the car too, the new DCCD seems to be slower off the line and the brakes are heavier.
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Old 01-12-2019, 09:43 PM   #34
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Unless something changed since 1/2 the 2019 rules draft shows all STI's in DS.
Looks like nobody can read this.
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Old 01-14-2019, 01:19 PM   #35
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The bigger brakes and DCCD were in the 2018's and they are in DS. Both those might actually be slowing down the car too, the new DCCD seems to be slower off the line and the brakes are heavier.
IIRC DCCD went back to open setups vs the older more linked setup which would explain the slower launches. The older setup could lock and keep power going to all 4. The newer one (from my minimal reading) is an open diff with a variable power split, but nothing else so not as much total grip now.

Heavier brakes would be in the noise since it's already a heavy car.

But all the little things add up to perception if not real time. One thing the SCCA tries to shy away now is making the hard to get model the one to have unless it's absolutely sure there's no performance gain.
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But all the little things add up to perception if not real time. One thing the SCCA tries to shy away now is making the hard to get model the one to have unless it's absolutely sure there's no performance gain.
That being said, if the s209 is in the same class as the Type-RA I'm going to punch someone in the face.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:05 PM   #37
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That being said, if the s209 is in the same class as the Type-RA I'm going to punch someone in the face.
Iíd guess the S209 will be in AS and the RA will stay in BS, or theyíll see the RA is about the same and go with the regular STi and the S209 will be in BS. Although I could see both cars being in BS for a year. Letís be honest, thereís not going to be a lot of either car out at autox so itís a hard sell to the SAC to do anything buy kind of bury them.
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Old 01-16-2019, 02:33 PM   #38
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The Solo 2019 Rules draft has no Subaru's in BS. The WRX's (2009 and later), STI's and Special editions are all lumped into one line in DS.

I predict there is going to be a mass exodus of WRX's out of DS this year. Not because of STI's necessarily, but the fact that Type R's, Focus RS's and RA's are really on a whole different level of performance. If 100 autocrossers were given $40K and told they had to enter the car in DS, none of them in their right mind would choose a WRX.

I'd be going to STH in a heartbeat but I have two kids in college.
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Old 01-16-2019, 02:46 PM   #39
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2019 Draft Relevant Subaru Street Classings:

BS: None
CS: BRZ (with Performance Package) (2017-19)
BRZ tS (2018)
DS: BRZ (non-Performance Package) (2013-2016, 2017-19)
Legacy 2.5GT (2005-12)
WRX STI (incl. Special Edition) (2009-2019)
GS: Impreza 2.5 (non-turbo)
WRX (non-STI) (2001-08)
HS: Impreza (NOC)
Impreza 2.0i
Legacy (NOC)
SVX
Sedan Turbo (NOC)
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In my opinion, somebody made several mistakes. However, the way that I read this is that all 2018/2019 STIs, (RA included) are in DS. Also, WRXs from 09 to current are not classed. Neither are STis from 04-08. These cars, without specific classing would fall under the HS classing. So really, these changes put the DS WRXs into HS and not DS. Have fun with PAX.
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The January Fastrack put the 18 STI RA and the 19 STI's into BS.
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Old 01-17-2019, 01:21 AM   #41
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The January Fastrack put the 18 STI RA and the 19 STI's into BS.
Thatís great, but thatís not what the draft says.

Somebody needs to take advantage of this, if for nothing else but the lolz
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Old 01-17-2019, 07:09 AM   #42
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The January Fastrack put the 18 STI RA and the 19 STI's into BS.
#25542 Classing of 2018 STI RA and Series Grey
The SAC will continue to separate out limited edition cars. Per the SAC, add the following listing to Appendix A:
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No mention of the 2019 there.
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Middle of page 55:
#25694 Please class the 2019 STI into DS with the rest of the rally cars
Per the SAC, please add the following listing to class BS in Appendix A:
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The January Fast Track does start with this though:

SOLO EVENTS BOARD | November 28th
The Solo Events Board met by conference call October 24th. Attending were SEB members Brian Conners, Mike Brausen, Bob Davis, Zack Barnes, Keith Brown, Mark Scroggs, and Marshall Grice; Scott Dobler; Charlie Davis, and Chris Albin of the BOD; Doug Gill of the National Staff. These minutes are presented in topical order rather than the order discussed. Unless noted otherwise the effective date for all new rule, class, and listing change proposals herein is 1/1/2020.

So it looks like these are things in consideration for 2020. The 2019 draft has 2009 - 2019 in DS and I'd guess if they don't prove they don't belong there by dominating the class that is where they will stay. Along with the fact that this was before the 2019 draft was published.
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You can certainly hope for the best since you're invested. BTW - how much front camber can you get?
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Old 01-18-2019, 05:36 PM   #46
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You can certainly hope for the best since you're invested. BTW - how much front camber can you get?
I'm not that invested. I bought the car as my daily driver. With my work and travel schedule I only get to attend one or two AX a year.

I haven't had it aligned yet as I live in Ohio and it's winter but when spring gets here I plan on it and I'll let you know then.
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I'm invested. Sitting here waiting for what class the car will be in this year so I can have magnets made and register for Crows in April. Just got wheels and tires ready to go this week too.

But if the RA winds up in BS and I'm not competitive and stuck against the s209 in the same class, ill just move to STU or SM sooner than expected.
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Old 01-19-2019, 09:58 AM   #48
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I think the car will be plenty competitive in BS locally, likely competitive at Pros nationally, may be a little bit behind in solo nationally. Having not yet driven one, I hear they are a significant step up from 18's so I have hope.
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:39 PM   #49
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I am also waiting to see if the '19 STi is going to be DS. I'm going to work with some local guys in DS and also try to find some areas where BS has some competition so I can get data and have some of the nationally competitive guys drive my car as well to set times to eliminate different drivers. Maybe we can get some data together and get a letter sent out to get the '19 STi to DS. Or if anyone in the warmer climates has this ability that could help speed things up. I won't be able to do testing until our season starts in late April/May.

I had a local friend that was out in Vegas(I think) at the convention this past week and he asked for me specifically about the classing. They had said that they are not set in stone but would like to see data to possibly reclass the '19 STi.

I'm invested with this car. It was part of the reason I purchased it. But I also autox an '05 STi in SM that is flared and on Hoosiers. So it won't be the end of the world, but it will definitely suck.
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Fastracks supersede the rulebook. 19 STI's go to BS. Here's another excerpt from the Feburary fastrack that reinforces this.

#25740 2019 Subaru WRX STI Series.Grey Should Be in DS
Thank you for your input. The SAC believes the gearing change in the 2019 models
makes it appropriate to leave this car in BS. Please see the response to letter 25694 in
the January Fastrack.
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