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Old 03-11-2018, 11:42 AM   #1
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Maybe you car experts can shed some expertise. Brother is either going with the Subaru Legacy Premium or the Honda Accord LX sedan. The price of the two is both doable. Test drive both and liked both. Both make great vehicles.

He is looking to buy for the long term, 10 years or so. Just curious if anyone has input on which would be better in regards to overall maintenance costs, parts, etc.

Honda Extended warranty 8yr/ 120k is $1,080.
Subaru 8yr/120K warranty is $2100. Or 10 yr/100k is $1680. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Old 03-11-2018, 11:47 AM   #2
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So knows?

What is the mission for the car?
Where is it (snow makes a difference, "having to be at work regardless of weather" also makes a difference)?

Down south in the US, easier decision.
North US or Canada, other things to consider.
Also, if a skier, that is also a consideration.

Sooooo..........
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Old 03-11-2018, 12:31 PM   #3
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which engines are you looking at too? What years? Limited come with both 4 cyl and 6 cyl... what s in the Honda?

Sooooo.... continued.
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Old 03-11-2018, 12:49 PM   #4
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It would be in the North East, NJ. Brother is a teacher and coach, so not essential employee, like police, fire, ems or medical staff. But we def get snow.

Both would be a 2018. Honda 4 Cyl. Subaru Legacy would be Premium with 4 cyl. Not the 6 if that helps.
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Old 03-11-2018, 01:01 PM   #5
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The extended warranty takes the imploding CVT out of the equation for both cars. If AWD is an absolute must, the Subaru. If not, the Honda. The end.
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Old 03-11-2018, 01:38 PM   #6
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Take the expenses out of the equation. It all goes down to what he wants to drive.
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Old 03-11-2018, 05:00 PM   #7
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honda is nice but the sound system sucks ass, but so does the subaru one.

Get a Camry if you want a smooth ride and a REALLY nice sound system, even the ****ty model camry's have really nice sound systems. They also have 6 speed autos so you dont have to worry about CVT problems.
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Old 03-18-2018, 11:51 AM   #8
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um subaru obviously because urabus
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:19 PM   #9
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Something I just picked up on while reading another forum. The Honda CRV DI engine has a problem where fuel gets into the crankcase while the vehicle is cold and accumulates. I'm not sure if it's from cold start rich condition on purpose or sensing knock, so solving that with more fuel.....but it's a very common complaint and people report draining the 5 quart capacity oil and find 7 to 7.5 quarts. So there's 2 quarts of gas diluting the oil. Yikes! I'd do some research to see if the Accord has this issue. I don't really know. I do know that when Hondas have widespread problems they deny, deny, deny and will do nothing to help until the government forces them to do something.

Car reliability is all thrown up in the air these days with manufacturers trying to meet more strenuous govt requirements. I'd almost say to find yourself a 91 Civic because anything newer is questionable....but I don't think you have to go that far back.
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:38 AM   #10
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I like to think most vehicles are pretty reliable these days, barring getting a bad apple.

I'd test drive both and decide which one is more appealing -- comfort, driving position, the way it looks, etc.
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Old 03-19-2018, 11:48 AM   #11
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Honda Extended warranty 8yr/ 120k is $1,080.
Subaru 8yr/120K warranty is $2100. Or 10 yr/100k is $1680. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
so is he also considering throwing money away on an extended warranty?

I sell Elephant stampede coverage if he is interested in that. Just $900 for 5 years of complete coverage, PLUS a Rhinoceros umbrella policy at no additional cost.
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:35 PM   #12
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AWD, safer and Legacy is the longest lasting car in it's class(independent source).



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so is he also considering throwing money away on an extended warranty?

I sell Elephant stampede coverage if he is interested in that. Just $900 for 5 years of complete coverage, PLUS a Rhinoceros umbrella policy at no additional cost.
Oh no. Not this again.
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Old 03-19-2018, 04:22 PM   #13
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so is he also considering throwing money away on an extended warranty?

I sell Elephant stampede coverage if he is interested in that. Just $900 for 5 years of complete coverage, PLUS a Rhinoceros umbrella policy at no additional cost.

I knew this dude was gonna be in here raging about warranties
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:21 PM   #14
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Something I just picked up on while reading another forum. The Honda CRV DI engine has a problem where fuel gets into the crankcase while the vehicle is cold and accumulates. I'm not sure if it's from cold start rich condition on purpose or sensing knock, so solving that with more fuel.....but it's a very common complaint and people report draining the 5 quart capacity oil and find 7 to 7.5 quarts. So there's 2 quarts of gas diluting the oil. Yikes! I'd do some research to see if the Accord has this issue. I don't really know. I do know that when Hondas have widespread problems they deny, deny, deny and will do nothing to help until the government forces them to do something.

Car reliability is all thrown up in the air these days with manufacturers trying to meet more strenuous govt requirements. I'd almost say to find yourself a 91 Civic because anything newer is questionable....but I don't think you have to go that far back.

Link for source....
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:10 AM   #15
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I knew this dude was gonna be in here raging about warranties
That's rage where you come from?

Sorry you guys never got anything out of your elephant stampeded insurance, but it's a pretty good deal for peace of mind.
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Old 03-20-2018, 10:18 AM   #16
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That's rage where you come from?

Sorry you guys never got anything out of your elephant stampeded insurance, but it's a pretty good deal for peace of mind.
How about for those many that HAVE benefited from it?
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Old 03-20-2018, 12:13 PM   #17
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How about for those many that HAVE benefited from it?
you mean the 0.1% of purchasers? Yes, they benefit.

Like I told you last time, if you work at a dealer you make money off of these things and your opinion is invalid/biased. All the stores from people who make money off them are identical and fake.

Unless I'm mistaken and your screen name is remarkably similar to someone else, one of your stories was getting a free engine 200 miles before the warranty expired in a testimonial of how great extended warranties are.

Then in another thread you mentioned getting a $2800 free head unit/navigation system in that testimonial.
For some reason you only mentioned one item in each testimonial, which is perplexing why one wouldn't mention ALL the bountiful freebees bestowed upon them by an extended warranty.

And I swear, any time someone talks about a warranty pitch it involves the salesman telling them how the touch screen/head unit alone costs almost $3000 if it fails, and the warranty is only $1600.

Fish-O-Rama
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Old 03-20-2018, 12:56 PM   #18
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Take the expenses out of the equation. It all goes down to what he wants to drive.
I agree with this statement above also, if your friend lives in the NE with all the snow..its an easy pick for me. Subaru.
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:48 PM   #19
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Yeah extended warranties are the least of my worries when buying a new car.
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subaru alll the way.
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How about for those many that HAVE benefited from it?
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you mean the 0.1% of purchasers? Yes, they benefit.

Like I told you last time, if you work at a dealer you make money off of these things and your opinion is invalid/biased. All the stores from people who make money off them are identical and fake.

Unless I'm mistaken and your screen name is remarkably similar to someone else, one of your stories was getting a free engine 200 miles before the warranty expired in a testimonial of how great extended warranties are.

Then in another thread you mentioned getting a $2800 free head unit/navigation system in that testimonial.
For some reason you only mentioned one item in each testimonial, which is perplexing why one wouldn't mention ALL the bountiful freebees bestowed upon them by an extended warranty.

And I swear, any time someone talks about a warranty pitch it involves the salesman telling them how the touch screen/head unit alone costs almost $3000 if it fails, and the warranty is only $1600.

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Nope. Just forgot about this. I hang out mostly in N & R.

The engine replacement wasn't me. I WAS the head unit which was the satellite radio receiver within the unit. Whole thing had to be replaced. Then I used it for malfunctioning steering wheel buttons. That wasn't soo bad. Again, I am not saying everyone benefits. How many? No one knows and for the benefit of everyone else reading this(hopefully they are smart enough anyway), that .01% that you pulled out of your ass isn't even remotely correct. Extended warranties are tapped weekly here. It IS/can be a piece of mind. Not everyone has the money to pay for a pricey fix for something when it happens. I know of cars that sat for months cause they couldn't afford the fix that would have been covered. Some of them sat on our lot. It's a minimal add to a payment for coverage that is essentially for the entire time someone owns the car. In fact, I just purchased an '18 a couple weeks ago and got the 8/120.

And what part of I don't make money on ANYTHING to do with sales doesn't register with you? Either front end or back end of a deal? And even if I did, what stock do I have in someone buying from a dealer across the country? That I won't even know what dealership. You think we have some secret pact or something? Heck, I thought it was a major competition amongst dealers that if I were telling him "hey, come to MY dealer to buy it even though I won't make any money on it", then I'd understand your position.


I am sorry you have had bad interactions with dealers. You seem very sour about it. Maybe come see us next time. You can certainly still say no to anything we try to sell you; but, I promise you'll have a better experience.

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Old 03-23-2018, 06:40 AM   #23
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And what part of I don't make money on ANYTHING to do with sales doesn't register with you?


I am sorry you have had bad interactions with dealers.
1) extended warranties are a portion of revenue, and unlike service or something there is essentially no actual cost associated with that revenue stream so it is a HUGE portion of profit. If you work there it is part of your paycheck whether you admit it or not. Saying you don't make money off it is like a person working for a firearms manufacturer and saying they don't make money off gun sales because they work in packaging and not in sales.
So yes, you do make money off them.

2) I have had great interaction with dealers. I bought two new cars in the last 3 years and both times their quote was less than what I decided I would even try to haggle down to. And neither pushed extended warranties hard, they offered them and took no for an answer reasonably quick.
I did pull that number out of thin air, but I would bet my next 10 paychecks that less than 1% of people who buy those things redeem more than they paid for them. They're profit machines, that's why every salesman in the country wants to sell an extended warranty on everything they sell.
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Old 03-23-2018, 02:31 PM   #24
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1) extended warranties are a portion of revenue, and unlike service or something there is essentially no actual cost associated with that revenue stream so it is a HUGE portion of profit. If you work there it is part of your paycheck whether you admit it or not. Saying you don't make money off it is like a person working for a firearms manufacturer and saying they don't make money off gun sales because they work in packaging and not in sales.
So yes, you do make money off them.


2) I have had great interaction with dealers. I bought two new cars in the last 3 years and both times their quote was less than what I decided I would even try to haggle down to. And neither pushed extended warranties hard, they offered them and took no for an answer reasonably quick.
I did pull that number out of thin air, but I would bet my next 10 paychecks that less than 1% of people who buy those things redeem more than they paid for them. They're profit machines, that's why every salesman in the country wants to sell an extended warranty on everything they sell.

OK. So this is down to semantics. I'll concede that; but, add that if they never sell a warranty, I still get paid the same. So, it really doesn't matter to me.

And I was never arguing that they make money on them. I have had 2 untouched extended warranties. Again, it boils down to....do you want to gamble? If you don't pay up front and something happens later, you WILL pay later. And likely a more inconvenient way(for those that I reference may not be able to handle a $4K type repair or something). Just don't push it as a waste or throwing money away. Say it's a gamble. Fine; but, it's not a waste. Unless you just have a lot of money and can handle a repair bill if/when it comes
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If you actually need to use this type of extended warranty in the future for either of these cars, then you bought a lemon.
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