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Old 04-23-2021, 12:24 PM   #76
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As you get into parts Porsche would fit, what is the risk of exponential price growth and suddenly we have a 60,000 plus car vs where we are now? The WRX and STI relative to a German cars are still a descent value. But I agree lighter would be better, smaller better too. Basically we want cars that by the standard car makers want to achieve are not as good as the current cars. We want smaller, lighter simpler.

The other option is to buy an older car and bring to the specs you want. I am not sure that is the most outrageous proposition when you compare to buying a new car especially if you would contemplate BMW or Porsche money. Why not build a GD WRX that someone thrashed into a better car focus on light vs stupid power. Would a smart WRX build could produce a really sharp handling car for no more than a new STI. Need a nice rust free car as a starting point? Rules of the build would ignore power production goals, just a good solid turbo motor, then focus on suspension, interior and fresh paint if needed.
Or keep your 04WRX like me for 18 years this May. The problem is the new cars are more refined. For example I have gotten out of my wife’s 17 IS300 and into my WRX and holy **** this car is old, noisy and full of plastic crappy bits. But for some reason I still love her. It’s all relative. My WRX suspension is a bit stiff with all the bushing and braces I did. The only time it feels better is right after I mow the lawn coming off of my riding mower, which shakes and rattles. Then the car feels smooth. It’s truly amazing that it makes the car feel like a rolls Royce, which it clearly is not.
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Old 04-23-2021, 03:09 PM   #77
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I am listening to the latest Bring a trailer podcast interview with Reeves CAllaway, anyone that wants to build a high power car should listen to this interview, it is priceless. They discuss the Corvette Sledgehammer program which I had heard of when it was made but the story is even more interesting 850 hp Corvette top speed of 254 MPH. They had a plan to run an annual speed competition and just go a little faster with this car every year, but word got and no one would bring their car to play the game.
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Old 04-23-2021, 03:29 PM   #78
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Or keep your 04WRX like me for 18 years this May. The problem is the new cars are more refined. For example I have gotten out of my wife’s 17 IS300 and into my WRX and holy **** this car is old, noisy and full of plastic crappy bits. But for some reason I still love her. It’s all relative. My WRX suspension is a bit stiff with all the bushing and braces I did. The only time it feels better is right after I mow the lawn coming off of my riding mower, which shakes and rattles. Then the car feels smooth. It’s truly amazing that it makes the car feel like a rolls Royce, which it clearly is not.
The problem with a new car is that they are too good as they are designed to isolate you from the car, Lexus being a perfect example. In many regards an enthusiat wants a car that is less good. Take three examples, the Morgan Trike, the Caterham, and the Aeriel Atom. Each are objectively awful cars in their own way, but each are pure enthusiast cars. It is a matter of how much we want to compromise between comfort and connection to the driving experience. A new MIata is a really good compromise if it works for your life style as does the BRZ. However the compromise that works best for me is a WRX as it has 4 doors and all wheel drive. I could have bought a used Lexus, CAdillac, Camry or a lot of other cars some new some used. They all would have been “better” than my WRX. But I have more fun every day just noodling through town shifting the gears than I could with something that does everything for me.
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Old 04-23-2021, 03:58 PM   #79
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The problem with a new car is that they are too good as they are designed to isolate you from the car, Lexus being a perfect example. In many regards an enthusiat wants a car that is less good. Take three examples, the Morgan Trike, the Caterham, and the Aeriel Atom. Each are objectively awful cars in their own way, but each are pure enthusiast cars. It is a matter of how much we want to compromise between comfort and connection to the driving experience. A new MIata is a really good compromise if it works for your life style as does the BRZ. However the compromise that works best for me is a WRX as it has 4 doors and all wheel drive. I could have bought a used Lexus, CAdillac, Camry or a lot of other cars some new some used. They all would have been “better” than my WRX. But I have more fun every day just noodling through town shifting the gears than I could with something that does everything for me.

I wouldn't say the cars you listed are objectively bad cars. The set of criteria is subjective.
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Old 04-23-2021, 05:25 PM   #80
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I wouldn't say the cars you listed are objectively bad cars. The set of criteria is subjective.
They have none of the things that most people measure a good car by, auto trans, apple car play, sound deadening, roll up windows, basic safety features(Atom excluded). . . So by most standards they are awful cars. By enthusiast standards they are glorious.That is what I meant.
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Old 04-23-2021, 05:57 PM   #81
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I wouldn't say the cars you listed are objectively bad cars. The set of criteria is subjective.
They may not be bad cars in terms of pure function or even reliability, but they still aren't nearly as good as more conventional cars for the full range of ways most people use their cars. Weekly grocery shopping for a family of four? Taking that same family of four on a weekend trip? Home Depot run? Golf outing or a fishing trip with a buddy? Got to be at work and it's absolutely pouring rain or even snowing? No garage to even keep it in?

I'm only talking about basic stuff like storage volume and suitability for all-weather driving here, not the sort of luxury refinement that runs from automatic transmissions, interior design, and level of appointments up to comfort & convenience features and "high-tech" solutions to everything. If anything, inclusion of those features dilutes the character of a semi-hardcore to hardcore performance car, and mainly serves to cater to the folks who would ask "why can't I have it all?".


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Old 04-23-2021, 07:26 PM   #82
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I had a student with a 600 HP STi on the track. It's way more power than you think it is.
that is so true.. you figure 1 hp for every 5 lbs thats a crazy number.. not to mention that your power band is going to be super small.. its going to become more of a dyno queen
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