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Old 12-03-2021, 11:26 AM   #226
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The 3 is a luxury vehicle. It competes with only the finest of luxuries.
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That depends... How many cup holders does it have and are they big enough to hold two route 44 sonics side by side.
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Old 12-03-2021, 01:15 PM   #228
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it has rich corinthian leather
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Old 12-03-2021, 05:32 PM   #229
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Any reason you expect automatic?
Vice President Sales Marketing Sean Hanley AUS. interview wth AUS publication.
Stated 225kW of power and 400Nm of torque and will have GR Racing first developed automatic Transmission. Then he said it's more of a touring car as compared to Yaris GR a rally car . Bla Bla. But that is AUS. Now the Sales marketing guy for US said it going to have 300 hp I forget torque and six speed manual That Article was on TopSpeed, He said it going to be delayed another year because of Covid. It'll be shown next summer sold as 23 model. First in Europe then Us. There is higher Trim for Japan.

I think US is going to get that new Automatic Transmission developed by GR.
Its still far down the pike any way you look at it and with NewVariant it could push it even farther out Time wise.

Also, Sean Hanley said it will have a starting price in AUS. Of 60K

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Old 12-03-2021, 06:31 PM   #230
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That depends... How many cup holders does it have and are they big enough to hold two route 44 sonics side by side.

It's not a bubba car brah.




Waiting on Diffs announcement. Hurry the F up so I can make my decisions with my moneys.
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Old 12-03-2021, 06:33 PM   #231
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So did Mazda with the 3, then they gave it a turbo and AWD and made it AT only.
The Turbo AWD Mazda3 has zero handling upgrades - it's clearly not going after that market. And they may not have a manual that can handle 250 hp.

Toyota has the manual already mated to the drivetrain - zero chance they'll make it auto only. Manual only maybe, since the GR4 is manual only.
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Old 12-03-2021, 06:34 PM   #232
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But what if it has a luxurious slushbox? Will the corinthian leather lined cupholders sway the pre?
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Old 12-03-2021, 06:39 PM   #233
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It's not a bubba car brah.

Waiting on Diffs announcement. Hurry the F up so I can make my decisions with my moneys.
You in a hurry? Cause if it comes w/ 2 diffs and 300 hp, it's gonna be $60k including dealer markup. In fact you may never get it at MSRP, it could be like a video card.
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Old 12-04-2021, 04:34 AM   #234
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Another rumor (not sure if you guys talked about it already). There could be a
flagship ***8216;Rallye' model offered in the US, with a lightweight, motorsport focus and just two seats - though this is yet to be confirmed.

I think it was Phil Long who had a post, that he took down with no explanation. It had the same rumor specs that everybody/car rags where saying. But he posted about the Transmission and in US Toyota would offer both manual and an automatic. Who knows, I don't think even Toyota knows. One thing is for sure it want be a 2022 model. It will be 2023 model and we still have long wait. A lot can change over that time span. Also, VarmintCong knows more about their Trannys, engines and stuff then me. In the beginning I was just doing my Negative Joking thing. But You have to admit Time and Time again we always get screwed on Cars and especially their features in USA ( look at Canadian Si lol). So I've learned not to get my expectations high. I would would buy a Toyota Corolla GR in Blue in heart beat if it had 6 speed manual, turbo 3 banger and all the AWD with 3 diffs. Now if has more horsepower, upscale etc etc with good Automatic , AWD system I might still be interested.
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I fully expect mass disappointment once this car is officially confirmed. I think there's a lot of BS rumors floating around right now and wouldn't be surprised if the car ends up FWD.
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Old 12-04-2021, 10:54 AM   #236
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I fully expect mass disappointment once this car is officially confirmed. I think there's a lot of BS rumors floating around right now and wouldn't be surprised if the car ends up FWD.
If the GR-Four logo is to be believed, it should be some form of AWD (hopefully the Yaris' system). A manual transmission is the big question.
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Old 12-04-2021, 11:25 AM   #237
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If the GR-Four logo is to be believed, it should be some form of AWD (hopefully the Yaris' system). A manual transmission is the big question.

Not a big question at all, IMO. The 6MT from the Yaris exists and is plenty robust for the G16. The Corolla has a CVT already (2 actually), but it is very light duty to keep rotating components lightÖ specíd for around 200lb-ft of torque. So the next step would be the 8AT from the Camry V6 because, same deal, the 8AT from the Camry is only specíd for 220-240lbs ft of torque. The version mated to the V6 is the only one that handles to torque. The gear ratios in that transmission are only adjusted by changing final drive and are wayyyy too long to be a good fit for the G16. The gaps between 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 are huge. Parts bin from the GR Yaris is the logical path. This model will get 3-4 model years max, IMO, a la Focus RS.
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The Turbo AWD Mazda3 has zero handling upgrades - it's clearly not going after that market. And they may not have a manual that can handle 250 hp.

Toyota has the manual already mated to the drivetrain - zero chance they'll make it auto only. Manual only maybe, since the GR4 is manual only.
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Another rumor (not sure if you guys talked about it already). There could be a
flagship ***8216;Rallye' model offered in the US, with a lightweight, motorsport focus and just two seats - though this is yet to be confirmed.

I think it was Phil Long who had a post, that he took down with no explanation. It had the same rumor specs that everybody/car rags where saying. But he posted about the Transmission and in US Toyota would offer both manual and an automatic. Who knows, I don't think even Toyota knows. One thing is for sure it want be a 2022 model. It will be 2023 model and we still have long wait. A lot can change over that time span. Also, VarmintCong knows more about their Trannys, engines and stuff then me. In the beginning I was just doing my Negative Joking thing. But You have to admit Time and Time again we always get screwed on Cars and especially their features in USA ( look at Canadian Si lol). So I've learned not to get my expectations high. I would would buy a Toyota Corolla GR in Blue in heart beat if it had 6 speed manual, turbo 3 banger and all the AWD with 3 diffs. Now if has more horsepower, upscale etc etc with good Automatic , AWD system I might still be interested.
I'm betting a MT will be offered but weird decisions are made at the bean counter level. Toyota has access to a MT for the Supra but AT is all we get, most likely for max performance numbers. An AT is offered in the BRZ/GR86, yet it's clearly a lower performer (strange in today's world with how well AT's perform)

Who knows, it could get the SPT from Subaru
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GR Four means it'll have AWD. So now we wait for the transmission confirmation. I'm fully expecting this to have a manual and LSDs. It's meant to be a North American street variant of the GR Yaris. The Yaris is priced as is because it's somewhat a limited quantity homologation vehicle. Whereas the GR Corolla is meant to meet customer demand and continue as long as there's demand for it. Because it's being teased with increased frequency, we should see an official reveal within the next month or so, and the car should arrive at dealerships midsummer.

After the official reveal, if it's as hoped for, I'm buttoning up my Impreza and sitting on it until trade-in. Probably right now I should be looking for a Toyota dealership with the best reputation as I'm willing to travel across the continent to get what I want. I'd even consider going back up to Alaska to retrieve a GR Corolla if that was the best deal!
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I'm betting a MT will be offered but weird decisions are made at the bean counter level. Toyota has access to a MT for the Supra but AT is all we get, most likely for max performance numbers. An AT is offered in the BRZ/GR86, yet it's clearly a lower performer (strange in today's world with how well AT's perform)

Who knows, it could get the SPT from Subaru

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POLL: So let's say we get the Corolla GR with all the Yaris GR bits, i.e. same motor, equal or more HP, same trans, awd, diffs, etc, etc, etc.

How much are you willing to pay for such a vehicle, given that the top Corolla XSE Hatchback costs around $25-26K.
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If the GR-Four logo is to be believed, it should be some form of AWD (hopefully the Yaris' system). A manual transmission is the big question.
No it's not. Some of y'all have not been paying as close attention to this thing as some of us.

It will have a 6MT. It will have the awd system. The only question is will we get a circuit pack option (diffs) and how much.

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You in a hurry? Cause if it comes w/ 2 diffs and 300 hp, it's gonna be $60k including dealer markup. In fact you may never get it at MSRP, it could be like a video card.
You could not be more incorrect. The GR Yaris with diffs would be around 40k. Toyota loses money on every single one of them sold. The information is out there in Europe. Itís a WRC homologation car, but itís also a marketing tool for Toyo which is why they will take the L on every one sold. They are rebranding the company with Gazoo. Gazoo is all about selling CUVís etc. Automobile manufacturing is all about getting the squares to see the Supra, the 86, the GR Corolla, and hubby wants that, but then gets talked into a pivot into a family machine by the wife or by the stealer salesmen. This is how it works. Offer some sporty models to goose up your lineup, take the L, or break even on them to sell the pedestrian bs.

Itís not going to cost 60k. Thatís stupid. ADM on FMCís or brand new models is prevalent throughout the industry. Itís dumb and meant for dummies with more money than sense. I heard all the same garbage on my RS. I waited, bided my time, and bought one 9 months later for under invoice. Toyo will either f the USDM (no diffs) and price it against the WRX or itíll have a circuit pack (God willing) and be priced against the CTR, and STi. Itís not going to be Golf R priced. It wonít have that interior, motor, etc. Mid 30k to 40k range. If idiots pay more thatís on them and you have to just wait that out. The drivetrain R&D and motor R&D have already been paid for, bean counted, and allotted to the GR Yaris program. So thatís all done and dusted. I highly doubt they put a CF roof on the Corolla like the GR Yaris has. And the GR Yaris is a composite chassis. One end of the car is jacked from the Corolla, and the other side of the car is straight Yaris. They donít have to do that either with the Corolla. The GR Corolla we get will be a parts bin car and thatís just fine. Some of the best cars to hit our shores are parts bin machines. Thatís seems to be, sometimes, the only way we get cool S at all.

Funny to read some of this. I thought nobody wanted hatchbacks here? They donít sell, blah blah. Now we have people stating this car will be 60k.
There is certainly demand for them. 60k type demand? I doubt it but we live in crazy times with straight dummies so yeah you may have to wait some. Iím pretty used to that. And I never get in a hurry to spend thirty to forty thousand dollars of my hard earned money. Video cards will eventually sus out like everything else as the global economy and market normalizes. We still have at least a year for supply chains to normalize. The fear and death and gloom stuff is past itsí time. Things will not stay the way they are forever.
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I'm betting a MT will be offered but weird decisions are made at the bean counter level. Toyota has access to a MT for the Supra but AT is all we get, most likely for max performance numbers. An AT is offered in the BRZ/GR86, yet it's clearly a lower performer (strange in today's world with how well AT's perform)

Who knows, it could get the SPT from Subaru
The 6MT Supra is supposedly coming very soon. Toyota is listening and the motor is offered via BMW with a 6MT so itís not difficult, at all. And they are monster big, one of the biggest in the world, and have one thing other companies do not. A CEO named Toyoda who is a Motorsport enthusiast and going to great lengths to change the brand.
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POLL: So let's say we get the Corolla GR with all the Yaris GR bits, i.e. same motor, equal or more HP, same trans, awd, diffs, etc, etc, etc.

How much are you willing to pay for such a vehicle, given that the top Corolla XSE Hatchback costs around $25-26K.
I'm willing to pay up to $40k FULLY LOADED. I knew when I got my Impreza 4.5 years ago that it'd pretty much be my second-to-last daily driver car. I want my last DD to be this GR Corolla. 6MT, 5-doors, AWD, turbo, LSDs, Android Auto. After I get a good, fun DD then I'd probably look at a used 2022 BRZ/GR86.

As I mentioned, the GR Yaris costs more because of being a limited quantity homologation vehicle. I think the GR Corolla has a lot more going for it and will be priced in the mid-to-upper $30k range to start. If there's a launch edition, I'm there. Otherwise I'll take a Limited/XSE trim. At this point I don't really care about the color options because I plan on getting it wrapped and paint protected anyway.
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POLL: So let's say we get the Corolla GR with all the Yaris GR bits, i.e. same motor, equal or more HP, same trans, awd, diffs, etc, etc, etc.

How much are you willing to pay for such a vehicle, given that the top Corolla XSE Hatchback costs around $25-26K.
Itís not going to have all the same GR Yaris bits. I doubt it will have the CF roof, and nobody knows if it will get an aluminum hood or doors to reduce weight. We just donít know what we donít know.

What I will pay depends on what is offered. What I pay is dependent entirely on information on the car. Did they just use a Corolla or did they brace the chassis? Iím betting they did something to the chassis as it would have to be tightened up to handle the power the drivetrain, etc. Thatís what Ford did with the RS, they welded what is called the Lionís foot, under the rear hatch area which significantly strengthen the chassis, made the chassis much more rigid. I expect something similar with the Corolla. But the aluminum and CF panels, Iím skeptical.

Pretty difficult to give you a price when donít know anything. Itíll be cheaper than the 4 piston Supra. How much cheaper, nobody knows.
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How much are you willing to pay for such a vehicle, given that the top Corolla XSE Hatchback costs around $25-26K.

High $30k range is what Iíd be willing to pay. $10k over the standard Corolla HB while still being below the STI and Golf R.
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How much are you willing to pay for such a vehicle, given that the top Corolla XSE Hatchback costs around $25-26K.
Iíd only pay MSRP, but would pay up to $40k for that.
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I fully expect mass disappointment once this car is officially confirmed. I think there's a lot of BS rumors floating around right now and wouldn't be surprised if the car ends up FWD.
Iíd agree in the past, but the GR86 and Supra show that Toyota has changed. I think they know a FWD GTI competitor will be very disappointing after all the hype.
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Itís not going to have all the same GR Yaris bits. I doubt it will have the CF roof, and nobody knows if it will get an aluminum hood or doors to reduce weight. We just donít know what we donít know.

What I will pay depends on what is offered. What I pay is dependent entirely on information on the car. Did they just use a Corolla or did they brace the chassis? Iím betting they did something to the chassis as it would have to be tightened up to handle the power the drivetrain, etc. Thatís what Ford did with the RS, they welded what is called the Lionís foot, under the rear hatch area which significantly strengthen the chassis, made the chassis much more rigid. I expect something similar with the Corolla. But the aluminum and CF panels, Iím skeptical.

Pretty difficult to give you a price when donít know anything. Itíll be cheaper than the 4 piston Supra. How much cheaper, nobody knows.
The new Civic has an aluminum hood, so Iíd be shocked if the GR doesnít.
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