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Old 01-20-2022, 01:28 PM   #351
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This is a genuinely exciting car. WRX fans better be watching
The WRX has gone a totally different direction. Maybe the STI as well. Aimed at people that want more of a CUV experience. This car will hopefully represent the type of AWD sport compact car that enthusiasts have been asking for.
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Old 01-20-2022, 02:32 PM   #352
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3-cylinder engine
The stock I3 in the Toyota makes just as much power as the 2.4L in the WRX.
It makes more peak torque and redline is close to 7K.
I think it's going to be A-OK.

EDIT: looks like redline is 7.2K...
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Old 01-20-2022, 03:26 PM   #353
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It's still a 1.6 3-cylinder engine. It could have 1000hp. No, thank you.
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Old 01-20-2022, 03:51 PM   #354
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It's still a 1.6 3-cylinder engine. It could have 1000hp. No, thank you.
It's becoming a monster in the aftermarket. It's a WRC homologation engine. I'll take a WRC derived 3 cylinder over another bs 4 banger any day of the week. All that matters to me, 1) it's reliable, 2) it's capable of much higher reliable hp/tq in the aftermarket. This engine has delivered, both, in spades. You're just one less buyer in my way
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Old 01-20-2022, 04:10 PM   #355
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It's still a 1.6 3-cylinder engine. It could have 1000hp. No, thank you.
I really hope this car comes here for the people wanting it. And it's great that Toyota is trying to make some some exciting internal combustion vehicles while they still can. I'm with JRodrigues on this though. As a mechanical engineer who has been an engine freak for 45 years... I just can't get excited about a 3 cylinder. I like the concept about half as much as a V6, which seems fitting (for the record I despise V6s).

Again I hope the car does come and satisfy your wants/desires, but I'll do my part to help keep the prices attainable by not being interested. If they go with an I4, I'll definitely change my tune and likely open my wallet.
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Old 01-20-2022, 05:22 PM   #356
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I view it as half on an in-line 6.
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Old 01-20-2022, 05:50 PM   #357
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One Quarter of a W12
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Old 01-20-2022, 05:51 PM   #358
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I really hope this car comes here for the people wanting it. And it's great that Toyota is trying to make some some exciting internal combustion vehicles while they still can. I'm with JRodrigues on this though. As a mechanical engineer who has been an engine freak for 45 years... I just can't get excited about a 3 cylinder. I like the concept about half as much as a V6, which seems fitting (for the record I despise V6s).

Again I hope the car does come and satisfy your wants/desires, but I'll do my part to help keep the prices attainable by not being interested. If they go with an I4, I'll definitely change my tune and likely open my wallet.
Of course, mechanically, I3s have drawbacks compared to I4s.
I think the most obvious one is responsiveness (and maybe some residual first order imbalance).
But, I have put quite a few miles on cars with turbo I3s (mostly Peugeots and CitroŽns) and I find myself enjoying them despite their drawbacks.
That being said, I wouldn't go out of my way and swap out the I4 in my Golf R for an I3 .
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If Toyota puts an iron block 4 banger into this car, I would not complain. A T24A-FTS would be fine too.



But the 3 banger sounds more rawkus and revs higher and is more compact and other stuff and that rally guy loved it, so who am I...
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Old 01-20-2022, 06:10 PM   #360
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It's a WRC homologation engine. I'll take a WRC derived 3 cylinder over another bs 4 banger any day of the week.
What???

https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/cars/2021/

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Old 01-20-2022, 06:45 PM   #361
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https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/cars/2021/

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The current GR Yaris was meant to go into WRC, from what I understand, but then 2020 happened and it never got a proper chance.

That link is for the old model Yaris.

I don't know about 2022 WRC as I don't follow it and I don't feel like looking it up.
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https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/cars/2021/

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That is the old car. The new hybrid car carries that engine over. There was supposed to be a last WRC reg between the old car and the hybrid car. Iím not sure what the engine requirement was for that reg, but the GR Yaris was created specifically for that set of regulations. I havenít seen anything saying one way or the other if the 3 cyl was part of Toyotaís plan for the 2020 and 2021 cars.
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Old 01-20-2022, 08:14 PM   #363
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https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/cars/2021/

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They are already told ya

Next time padawan.
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Old 01-20-2022, 11:15 PM   #364
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It's still a 1.6 3-cylinder engine. It could have 1000hp. No, thank you.
Means it'll sound better than a four. Yes, thank you.
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Old 01-20-2022, 11:17 PM   #365
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My dealer told me the Corolla GR-Four will have the EJ.
And who says dealers know nothing about cars!
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Old 01-21-2022, 08:34 AM   #366
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Means it'll sound better than a four. Yes, thank you.
As a former Triumph Speed Triple owner, I can confirm this to be true.
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I'm totally fine with the 3-cylinder engine. IMO 4-cylinder engines have no personality and I find it hard to get excited about any of them. It's got a ball bearing turbo (pretty rare in a production car) so as long as the engine is responsive and gets the car up to speed quickly it's all that matters. Since it's a Toyota reliability shouldn't be a concern and at the very least this engine will sound better than any 4 cylinder with an aftermarket exhaust.
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I'm totally fine with a 3cyl engine also.


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Odd-cylinder engines are all ****. i4, i6, v12 are all the ideal engine configs depending on displacement needs IMO.
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I'll take Audi's turbo 5 cylinder over everything else in their passenger car lineup.
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Odd-cylinder engines are all ****. i4, i6, v12 are all the ideal engine configs depending on displacement needs IMO.

No they aren't man. Honda made a V5 that was the best motorcycle engine ever built. Same thing for 3 bangers, they've been in hipo motorcycles forever. Not an issue. The real question should be why is there no V4 in any production car? It's the best 4 cylinder there is. i4, is crapola. Sounds like garbage, has inertia torque, and due to the firing order does not put a power pulse consistently on the tires. A vee sure does which is why every manu in MotoGP either uses a V4 or an inline 4 engine with a cross plane 4 that mimics the firing order of a V4. Car engines, especially inline 4's are so prevalent due to cost. They are cheap AF.


The i3 in the GR Yaris was designed for power, reliability, and to be compact for handling purposes. Also to keep the weight of the entire vehicle down. It was also a requirement for WRC rules in place that have since vanished.
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Odd-cylinder engines are all ****. i4, i6, v12 are all the ideal engine configs depending on displacement needs IMO.
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I'll take Audi's turbo 5 cylinder over everything else in their passenger car lineup.
Audi's 5 cylinder engine >>> any 4 or 6 cylinder engine they have ever made.
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Audi's 5 cylinder engine >>> any 4 or 6 cylinder engine they have ever made.
Totally. The E888 in our S3 is great engine, but it lacks the character of the RS3's 5 cylinder. I drove a RS3 a while back and absolutely loved it.
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Wasn't the Justy a 3-cylinder? Import this as a new Justy.
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