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Old 05-12-2022, 03:25 PM   #26
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There's way too much going on with the headlights and the bar separating the grille, bleeding into the headlights is a sign of designers that were throwing stuff against the wall to differentiate it from the sea of big grilles. The mid size sedan segment has never been filled with lookers so this will blend in fine and maybe that's part of the problem with this car. Personally I think the Legacy is a decent mid size sedan that's faded to obscurity as Subaru seems unwilling to at least make it look interesting so it stands out vs the Accord, Camry, etc.
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Old 05-12-2022, 03:35 PM   #27
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That is actually a lot better. Needs more, but worlds better.

I feel like I'm going to get punched when I look a the fog light surround. It's that OK hand gesture shape.
I think they found the crab claw stencil laying around and said "let's reuse THIS!"

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Old 05-12-2022, 03:41 PM   #28
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I think they found the crab claw stencil laying around and said "let's reuse THIS!"
You are 100% correct, wow.

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Old 05-12-2022, 03:54 PM   #29
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I knew you were going to pick on that one. Globally, it's a nice vehicle, even better now with new engine.
It's ugly, very ugly. But it's a good car, and for those who like the looks even better.
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Old 05-12-2022, 04:12 PM   #30
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You are 100% correct, wow.
Those Forester taillights are connected by the same bar style plastic trim as the Legacy headlights. Cohesive design elements throughout the entire range.
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Old 05-12-2022, 04:35 PM   #31
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Those Forester taillights are connected by the same bar style plastic trim as the Legacy headlights. Cohesive design elements throughout the entire range.
Huzzah!
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Old 05-12-2022, 04:58 PM   #32
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I think they found the crab claw stencil laying around and said "let's reuse THIS!"
That is hilarious, I literally lol'd.
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Old 05-12-2022, 05:25 PM   #33
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The bar through the headlight look is present in the current Legacy as well as on the Levorg and WRX. They just decided to accentuate it by finishing it with separate pieces rather than keeping the molded bumper skin. I think it looks cool. And I dig this headlight design. Sporty yet proportionate to the front end. The WRX headlights are too small for how large the front end is. They help make the front end look sporty, but at the same time they add to feeling the front end is so disproportionately huge for such a small car.

I dunno, if I were at a dealer shopping an SPT Premium or Limited trim WRX for high 30's, I might find myself getting into this instead.
My sentiments exactly. I'm actually not bothered by the looks. Too bad they don't drop the STI transmission or something similar in it. Return of the spec B, booiiiii!
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Old 05-12-2022, 05:44 PM   #34
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Or do something really suicidal like making a wagon.*












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Old 05-13-2022, 12:49 AM   #35
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Outiside of the red stripe on the grill, how exactly is this different from the XT sedan thats been around since 2020???
Without reading anything I suspect it will have less luxury features (like leather) and therefore a lower price. Plus the obligatory blacked out trim and maybe some different suspension tuning.
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Old 05-13-2022, 02:36 AM   #36
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2023 Subaru Legacy Slaps Some Lipstick On, Sport Trim Gains 2.4L Turbo


Subaru has found the ugly stick and used it to beat the Legacy senseless. That’s the only conclusion we can come up with after gazing our eyes on the facelifted sedan as its “bolder look” certainly isn’t for everyone.

The changes are immediately apparent as the 2023 Legacy eschews a timeless design for something that commands attention. The updates are largely focused on the front end, which receives a massive grille that is flanked by new LED headlights. Further below, there’s a more aggressive bumper with a wide central intake and plasticky fog light surrounds.

Customers who want to stand out, can opt for the revised Sport trim. It’s distinguished by a red grille accent and magnetite gray metallic flourishes on the side mirrors and rear spoiler. The model also comes equipped with 18-inch alloy wheels that feature a gray finish

Moving into the cabin, the Legacy Sport has exclusive black and gray upholstery with red contrast stitching. Buyers will also find a power moonroof, GPS navigation, and additional safety equipment such as Reverse Automatic Braking and a DriverFocus Distraction Mitigation System.

While the Legacy Sport used to come with a naturally aspirated 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine that produced 182 hp (136 kW / 185 PS) and 176 lb-ft (238 Nm) of torque, Subaru decided to actually inject some sport into the model. As a result, it features a sport-tuned suspension and a newly standard 2.4-liter turbo developing 260 hp (194 kW / 264 PS) and 277 lb-ft (375 Nm) of torque. It’s paired to a continuously variable transmission and a symmetrical all-wheel drive system, just like all other 2023 Legacys.


Additional changes are limited, but the Legacy’s 11.6-inch Starlink infotainment system now features wireless Android Auto and wireless Apple CarPlay as well as “improved on-screen controls for audio, HVAC, and vehicle features.” Models with navigation also boast new what3words integration.

Furthermore, the All-Weather Package on the Legacy Sport and Touring XT now features a 360-degree heated steering wheel that will be warm wherever you touch it. The Touring XT also gains new Slate Black Nappa leather with contrasting silver stitching.

On the safety front, models equipped with Blind-Spot Detection with Lane Change Assist and Rear Cross-Traffic Alert, now have Automatic Emergency Steering which helps to avoid collisions at speeds under 50 mph (80 km/h). The range-topping Legacy Touring XT also gains a Wide-Angle Mono Camera, which “expands the field of view even further to recognize pedestrians and bicycles sooner when the vehicle enters an intersection at low speed.”
The 2023 Subaru Legacy will arrive at U.S. dealerships this fall with pricing to be communicated closer to launch.



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Old 05-13-2022, 07:24 AM   #37
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Or do something really suicidal like making a wagon.*
Yes. I don't go offroad or in the wild. Pavement only. Why should Subarus only option to the masses be a lifted one?

If they put the manual in the sport, call it a GT, I could be convinced to buy one. Don't want the harsh suspension of a WRX anymore. Those days are behind me.
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Old 05-13-2022, 08:44 AM   #38
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Yes. I don't go offroad or in the wild. Pavement only. Why should Subarus only option to the masses be a lifted one?

If they put the manual in the sport, call it a GT, I could be convinced to buy one. Don't want the harsh suspension of a WRX anymore. Those days are behind me.
I have gotten real used to my IS in the past ~2.5 years; I'd still prefer a manual (I instinctively "went for the clutch" during an aggressive stop yesterday due to someone blowing a stop sign and nearly gave myself whiplash) but things like comfortable yet well tuned/handling suspension is pretty awesome. Sign of me getting older I suppose, but even when I looked at the 2019/2020 STI the suspension was too stiff & poorly tuned in comparison, it pogo-sticked, Subaru just didn't match the springs to the dampers, they went "stiff is sporty", it was worse than my 06 wagon on pinks, which was fairly stiff for a street car, but I had decent dampers that matched well to the pinks, as well as a myriad of other stuff going on under there. If I can't get my hands on a GR Yaris, the IS may be my last new ICE daily; unless Ford stuffs a revised Voodoo in something with a manual, or Lexus releases an IS500 6mt or someone releases a hot 6mt RWD wagon (none of which will happen).
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Old 05-13-2022, 09:48 AM   #39
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Front of the Legacy went from boring to ugly really quickly.
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Subaru doesn't do balanced designs. Either they go too conservative or too special. Their designs always have a thing or two that would help them look timeless.
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Subaru doesn't do balanced designs. Either they go too conservative or too special. Their designs always have a thing or two that would help them look timeless.
The cheap mid-size sedan market is finicky. Too bold and people hate it. Too vanilla and people hate it. Too small people hate it. Too big people hate it. Too low people hate it. Too tall people hate it. Don't want it to blend in too much. Don't want it to stick out iike a sore thumb. Not quick enough. Gas mileage is not what they claim.

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Old 05-15-2022, 02:38 PM   #42
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Yea. Im all over this. Already emailed my sales guy to call me day ordering opens.

Legacy Sport in dark blue......all in.
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Old 05-16-2022, 11:52 AM   #43
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The cheap mid-size sedan market is finicky. Too bold and people hate it. Too vanilla and people hate it. Too small people hate it. Too big people hate it. Too low people hate it. Too tall people hate it. Don't want it to blend in too much. Don't want it to stick out iike a sore thumb. Not quick enough. Gas mileage is not what they claim.

On and on.
Both the accord and camry have navigated the sport sedan transformation with much skill and produced some cars that are very pleasing to look at and drive.

I doubt this legacy will match them.
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This Legacy is a refresh not a new generation.
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Old 05-17-2022, 03:15 PM   #45
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Yea. Im all over this. Already emailed my sales guy to call me day ordering opens.

Legacy Sport in dark blue......all in.
Why? Have you even test driven any of the competition?
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Old 05-17-2022, 03:36 PM   #46
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This Legacy is a refresh not a new generation.
Isn't it SGP though? The Holy Grail so many talk about on here. SGP SGP.... Hey Straight4 guy hand me one of them SGP drinks, I need me some energy up in here.

I've driven the latest Camry in SE trim, it's way too soft. Mad some bizarre electric regulator noise from the drivers side air vent.

I've driven the latest Accord Sport 1.5T, it's drives nice but CVT sucks and it's HUGE.

I've not driven a Legacy in almost 2 decades. The styling has gone to the ****per since the departure the Legacy GT Spec B model.
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It’s been sgp since 2020
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Old 05-17-2022, 05:42 PM   #48
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Personally, I think this refresh is an "L" on the level of like what they did from the 09 Legacy to the Box'd 2010.
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Old 05-17-2022, 06:36 PM   #49
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Those are two totally different generations tho.

The BL/BP refresh formula was similar to this one. Bigger grill that extends lower, a more interesting foglight and bumper skin design, and sportier headlights.






The Legacy has gotten so big that a bigger grill or foglight surround area is just massive.
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spec B was the absolute last Legacy to swoon over. They have been forgettable since. This new one is so ugly its painful.
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