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Old 02-20-2022, 10:29 PM   #5401
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Old 02-20-2022, 11:27 PM   #5402
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There's a huge gap between the market reality for someone who needs to buy soon and hypotheticals based on MSRP. In reality, Golf R was a non-option when I ordered a ***8216;22 WRX - all R orders were long gone. Short supply changes the real world calculus.
Who really needs to buy soon? Need and want are two completely different things. Most people it's just want. And it's easier with your wants to let the herd go first and pay for the pleasure. Gangsters sit back, be patient, and availability isn't a problem, and less money. And when it's thousands less, even just a straight even g, well some people are patient. Some aren't. GR Corolla isn't out yet, and the STi hasn't debuted either. I'd be in a holding pattern.

Smart money says when more models are on the market at the same time competing against each other, the better for the consumer. Also good to let the chips flow. Whole market still destabilized. Glad I can control my "wants".

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Old 02-21-2022, 12:08 AM   #5403
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Who really needs to buy soon? Need and want are two completely different things. Most people it's just want. And it's easier with your wants to let the herd go first and pay for the pleasure. Gangsters sit back, be patient, and availability isn't a problem, and less money. And when it's thousands less, even just a straight even g, well some people are patient. Some aren't. GR Corolla isn't out yet, and the STi hasn't debuted either. I'd be in a holding pattern.

Smart money says when more models are on the market at the same time competing against each other, the better for the consumer. Also good to let the chips flow. Whole market still destabilized. Glad I can control my "wants".

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You know nothing about my situation yet chose to quote me and pontificate about need vs. want. Thanks for your deep and insightful contribution, gangster.

FWIW, in the last 18 years I've had two cars - an '02 WRX and an '11 WRX. I've been patiently waiting for years to upgrade (I see you, hatch people). I've needed - yes needed - to move on from both. The '22 WRX is the best option available in the near future.
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Old 02-21-2022, 07:32 AM   #5404
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You know nothing about my situation yet chose to quote me and pontificate about need vs. want. Thanks for your deep and insightful contribution, gangster.

FWIW, in the last 18 years I've had two cars - an '02 WRX and an '11 WRX. I've been patiently waiting for years to upgrade (I see you, hatch people). I've needed - yes needed - to move on from both. The '22 WRX is the best option available in the near future.
And you are taking a simple post, way too seriously. The point was, anything with performance that is a FMC, covid, no covid, chip shortages, no chip shortages, you pay more. That was all. Enjoy your new car. Any other options such as the STi and GR Corolla will be shown before long. Competition in the marketplace benefits the consumer. I wouldnít read anything more into it. The point was most it is indeed a want. Itís not like they are hurting with a current car that barely runs and theyíll have to limp it into the stealer to trade it off.
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Old 02-21-2022, 07:54 AM   #5405
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absolutely not - the comedy is priceless.
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Old 02-21-2022, 10:06 AM   #5406
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Old 02-21-2022, 11:20 AM   #5407
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Interesting, avoid VW? I hope it's not the infotainment excuse the whole internet is talking about. Any car I research, people complain about something on the car that's a "dealbreaker." Like that infotainment. WRX being the design. Super annoying.
They were testing the 2022 WRX, Golf R, Civic Si and the Elantra N. The WRX review is incredibly positive, not so much the R. Mostly based on their inputs from the driver's perspective - felt too isolated. On the contrary, the WRX was a car that despite so, so paper numbers, it felt immediately right and there was a sense of cohesion from all the inputs. It is paid content so I don't want post it here in fairness to R&T.
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Old 02-21-2022, 12:06 PM   #5408
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It was released today that Subaru is asking all service shops for records of any and all issues in regards to the WRX. Looks like theyre very interested in the quality of the newly released product and will indeed be making changes accordingly. I don't know if the interest is in regards to the powertrain or overall happiness with the released car but in any case it is good news for those of us that were hoping for something different. So if you do experience specific issues, make sure to take photos and relay all necessary info to your local service shops. (In other words dont let any small issue float by).

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Old 02-21-2022, 12:37 PM   #5409
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Subaru has really failed with this generation. This is on the level with the 2008 car. The exterior design aside, the technology the car is using is clearly a generation behind (or two in the case of eyesight - no MT support). The tablet touch screen is not well integrated with the rest of the interior design, and seems to be an afterthought; as is the case on all the Subaru's with this design. This car if anything should priced the same as the last gen, as it's delivering less value relative to we what the VA provided when it came out.

The GT at 42k is insane. You can buy an A4 for that money, which is a much better designed and built car. I expect those models will sit on the lot for a while and ultimately be marked down. No car with a CVT has any business selling for over 30-35k.
I agree with a lot of what people are saying, but we can't just sit here and pretend inflation and mark up pricing doesnt exist. Its like how the 2020 Ford F150 XLT's were 43k (used to sell Fords - those were our deals for Holiday 2020), but now for the same truck theyre what, almost 60k?? Ridiculous, but just a result of the times. I think its appropriate in some ways because well, those different drive settings are something Subarus have never had before. I got to drive a GT for my training in Texas, and honestly it feels really good, to me anyway. Ive driven multiple STi's and I was surprised with this car. Will it hold up in terms of reliability? Dawg I have no idea (Will either be super fuggin cool or will turn out to be another bad decision. But there is a video on Youtube of a kid racing a new 2022 Brz to that of a 2018 STI and the results will shock you. The STI doesn't really pull away like you would expect.
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Old 02-21-2022, 12:37 PM   #5410
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Customer: "Why do I have to hunt for the heated seats feature?"

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Old 02-21-2022, 01:00 PM   #5411
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I got to drive a GT for my training in Texas, and honestly it feels really good, to me anyway. Ive driven multiple STi's and I was surprised with this car. Will it hold up in terms of reliability? Dawg I have no idea (Will either be super fuggin cool or will turn out to be another bad decision. [/ame]
There seems to be a general "feel" that the GT is a good car, however, enthusiast are not happy with the packaging decisions. This exacerbates the pricing complaints. Less criticism would be given if the GT had both a MT and CVT. Being saddled with a SPT/CVT is not what they want and really not sure how Subaru thinks that this is what the demographic wants. Subaru is being stubborn/reluctant to have a traditional AT in their lineup outside of the BRZ.
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Old 02-21-2022, 01:36 PM   #5412
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There seems to be a general "feel" that the GT is a good car, however, enthusiast are not happy with the packaging decisions. This exacerbates the pricing complaints. Less criticism would be given if the GT had both a MT and CVT. Being saddled with a SPT/CVT is not what they want and really not sure how Subaru thinks that this is what the demographic wants. Subaru is being stubborn/reluctant to have a traditional AT in their lineup outside of the BRZ.
I agree with you. This bit though comes from the guys above me: they will consider adding the technology in later models (Maybe refresh) DEPENDING on the popularity of people wanting those drive modes (Not in Internet chatter, but actual purchasing and that of feedback responses at the dealers.) They chose the SPT model simply because it shifts faster than a manual and its what they have as the current automatic. The GT is supposed to be the most technologically "packed" trim of the WRX. And as ive said before, these drive modes have never been implemented on a Subaru. The WRX GT will and ultimately be the test mule for all future performance models.
So see the bulletin I just posted, those responses about the WRX are to be collected as soon as the cars appear on lots and people begin driving them. If they get enough recorded responses from Dealers (Buyers) about wanting those drive modes with the manual, then yes It will happen. Just like the Blacked Out Edition of the Ascent (It was never needed, but enough people wanted black trim and startex Seats offered in the SUV.
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Old 02-21-2022, 01:45 PM   #5413
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Hopefully the responses are interpreted effectively. If a Mustang GT was equipped with the magna-ride and Recaros exclusively with the Automatic, there would be pitchforks and torches. And that's a vehicle that sells many more AT's.
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Old 02-21-2022, 02:15 PM   #5414
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Hopefully the responses are interpreted effectively. If a Mustang GT was equipped with the magna-ride and Recaros exclusively with the Automatic, there would be pitchforks and torches. And that's a vehicle that sells many more AT's.
I suspect the reason why Subaru went CVT only on high tech trim was because of cost. North America one of the very few regions that sells WRX in manual. JDM WRX S4 is CVT only. It also keeps the price of manuals down.
Subaru put in most of their R&D in CVT, so a traditional automatic gearbox is unlikely to happen. The market share of manual is too small and unlikely to grow moving forward. Reality is harsh.
Edit: The 6AT in Subaru BRZ is a join development made by aisin (Toyota owned). Subaru doesnít develop traditional automatics anymore.

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Costs is exactly why Subaru won't develop an AT. They also want to push the CVT/SPT because that's all they know now and implement their safety tech, which doesn't work with a MT.

It's a risk because Subaru sells the most WRX models in North America and most of the WRX sales are MT. The North American WRX demographic is reluctant to see a SPT/CVT as a performance transmission. Weirdly, due to EPA testing choices, they have the SPT/CVT listed with worse mpg than the MT. This impacts overall fleet mpg negatively, especially if they want to push more SPT/CVT sales.
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Old 02-21-2022, 03:53 PM   #5416
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Just saw this.

100% though. I would only add ďthe redlineĒ.

The VA will go down with serious merit long term. It looked better. No black plastic body cladding CUV bs. Headunit can be pulled out and replaced with quality aftermarket. Bam, wireless carplay (Subaru does not offer to this day and Iím working on 4 years with it now in a vehicle) and a serviceable HU that when it breaks in the future itís easy, effortless swap, and $500 instead of OEM pricing.

Then you have manual controls for climate, heated seats, etc. The motor is well known. X parts, tune to y power level and not above, and youíre fine. Even then you can go aftermarket on the rods and solve that for even more power. But in reality you need 3 parts and tune the thing. Ohlins available, BBK. Pretty sound and solid ďinexpensiveĒ long term vehicle there for either DD or actually as a fun weekend car and at the lower end of price if AWD is mandatory for it.

If dum dum Boobaru would have offered the 2.0L DIT, in the STI, so I got the diffs, ooh. That might have got me over your main point, sedan only body style. That would eliminate the EJ at least. And Iíd get the diffs. I think Scraps coined it years ago when discussing no other body styles and such, just offer the STI drivetrain as an option on the WRX and be done with it. Nope. That would to quote Gump ďdonít make no siiiiiiinceĒ to the corporate tattays at FHI or SOJ, or whatever the f they call themselves now (donít care) who make these decisions.

Then think of the STi. Itís bigger than before, larger. Legacy GT type thing now. Peopleís wants are turning it more and more into a family sedan. They want to drive it to work and sit in drive thrus in it. It needs to carry lots of stuff so in other words will be a full size sedan instead of a compact sedan. Itís no longer a performance enthusiast vehicle at that point as itís built more for generality than ripping corners in any weather. For a fun car the BRZ will be the better option by far. Sucks to lose AWD but a big bloated sedan with a Tethla inspired iPad to control everything. Nah. Interior is bricked by it.

The VA is a more modular platform. You can add just a Japanese offered LSD to it (their market got it) or spend the dough and do a STI center diff, rear diff, and 6MT into it for more money. Stratified did just the rear diff and said it helped the car tremendously and was able to power on oversteer. Simple Torsen unit that even uses OEM weight oil. I mean the option was available in Japan as OEM.

Itís Toyoda and Toyotaís move now. GR Corolla is coming. If it comes with the front and rear Torsen LSDís as an option itís game over. The motor in it is a beast. They are at 450-500 whp now ripping 10ís in the quarters. I donít care about the drag strip so much as I do the motor capability. AWD rally fans are gonna have some more options. Then there is 2008 and Subaruís mistake with it and the rather quick MY correction that came.
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Old 02-21-2022, 06:47 PM   #5417
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Adding to what Pre was saying, in terms of general feel and torque feel, the current torque curve with the 2.4 is seriously what the VA should've had from the getgo. Minus whatever went through the focus groups heads (Which really all I can think of is my own exp in service, where people constantly complain about us not being able to do body work -mountain life-), the car just feels like a "fixing of what is current." Subaru is very numbers and reputation based. They took a fat hit with the imprezas and over all dated interiors of the lower end models. If the GT does well and we can expect to see some better improvements in the near future as well as what we're asking for. For them to drop an Onyx Edition Ascent for the ittybitty target audience that complained in the first place, expect to see some improvements involving the plastic and others like a manual opt for the GT. But also keep in mind of that large (non city) audience that always complains about the WRX not being "offroad orientated" as far as body protection like what they can expect from the other models - but then again, when has there ever been body protection on any of the WRC vehicles. I am happy though, that if I biff my running board on some curb, that I can just go to parts and order a new plastic piece for nothin
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Looks like the WRX might be more fun than the Golf RÖ
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Been watching this guy for about a decade now.
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Old 02-21-2022, 07:39 PM   #5420
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Been watching this guy for about a decade now.
We spent 6 model years begging Subaru to ditch RE-92 all-seasons and this guy is complaining that the car only comes with summer tires. I can't watch anymore.
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Old 02-21-2022, 07:46 PM   #5421
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We spent 6 model years begging Subaru to ditch RE-92 all-seasons and this guy is complaining that the car only comes with summer tires. I can't watch anymore.

Everyone has their own requests. This guy lives in the snow so I understand. I live in SoCal and want summer tires only haha
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Everyone has their own requests. This guy lives in the snow so I understand. I live in SoCal and want summer tires only haha
<-- New York. I love the snow. I have winter tires.
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Generally, if you can afford a WRX, you can afford dedicated all-season or snow tires. If those are outside of your budget, I think you're playing the wrong game.
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Generally, if you can afford a WRX, you can afford dedicated all-season or snow tires. If those are outside of your budget, I think you're playing the wrong game.

My plan is WRX GT, tune with Delicious Tuning ASAP, and eventually upgrade to Michelin PS4S once the first tires wear out.
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My plan is WRX GT, tune with Delicious Tuning ASAP, and eventually upgrade to Michelin PS4S once the first tires wear out.
You will be upgrading your tires to the PS5S instead. The PS4S are end of sale.
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