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Old 11-04-2022, 08:20 PM   #8151
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Agreed, enough of the politics and Belittling,
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Posted an interesting opinion piece between a 22 and 12 above. Also, just checked with local parts dealers, Parts trader, and that of AAA Insurance most parts for the current year 2022 are on back order (up to 8mo) Probably the same with other brands. Might affect anyone's decision on obtaining one.
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Old 11-04-2022, 08:47 PM   #8152
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Russ, if you’re concerned about domestic dealings and practices, look up “speculative leasing”. If shutting down the Keystone pipeline has you fuming, then surely you should be foaming at the mouth at how oil companies sit idle doing jack on literal millions of on/offshore hectares of federal public land without paying a cent in taxes.

Not only that, but they are such bad faith hoarders that they don’t allow ANY form of activity to take place on these public lands that they lease. Many of which is actually leased from BLM land specially out west.

So maybe, just maybe, you should direct a good deal of your anger at entities that have the literal stated goal of “the bottom line over anything”. Granted, the government should be at fault for that too. They’re the ones that create the legislation for such practices to take place. But then again, doesn’t matter who or what party is in charge, they’re all the same shills to their donors.
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Old 11-04-2022, 08:49 PM   #8153
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Whoops, came late to the party.

Forget it carry on.
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Old 11-04-2022, 09:07 PM   #8154
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Whoops, came late to the party.

Forget it carry on.
Lol no worries, I'm always open to improving myself with some constructive sentiments. It's appreciated. But nah it's not the keystone, it's allocation/extraction of recourses.

But yes what I said above, theres up to a 8mo back order on parts for the 2022 wrx. That's confirmed with my service center, my repair shop on CCC, Parts trader, and my insurance adjusters. May affect people's decision on obtaining one. Unless you're a spot on driver
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Old 11-05-2022, 02:54 PM   #8155
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Aye. Certainly not.

So what to look at then, 5-60 times? C&D's times for the 2009 and 2022 wrx are identical at 6.3 seconds. Skidpad is quite improved from the wrx, but identical to the 2008 STI... so change out some tires and other misc. suspension bits and there you have it. the cars are the same.

Except for that screen!
So still quicker 5-60 than the 2023 GR ?

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/



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Old 11-05-2022, 04:12 PM   #8156
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For the best launch, hold revs near the limiter and make sure the engine doesn't dip below 4000 rpm. But the driveline wasn't developed for reaching 60 mph in second gear. Thus, the 4.9-second 60-mph time doesn't fully represent the car's quickness off the line. Eliminate a shift and the GR would run quicker than the manual hot-hatch leader Volkswagen Golf R, with its 4.7-second sprint. The GR makes up some time in the quarter-mile, tying the VW with a 13.3-second run.
Can't wait to drive one...in a few years. Maybe.
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Old 11-05-2022, 07:18 PM   #8157
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I'll gladly wait a few years to get a GR Corolla. Let the bugs get worked out and stuff.
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Old 11-07-2022, 01:45 PM   #8158
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:16 PM   #8159
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I was just about to post that...

C/N: WRX is OK, nothing special. Elantra N is special
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:38 PM   #8160
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The Subaru is chunky and cladded. It's not radically different from Subarus past, but it's toned down. The WRX still has a wide-fendered stance, but without a big shopping-cart wing and a jutting front lip, it looks more like a hiking sneaker than a rally racer.
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Old 11-07-2022, 02:39 PM   #8161
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Good. That was realistic, unbiased, review which I think we can all agree with. Those type of reports sometimes poke Subaru into action. Hopefully it does.

Sounds like a tS would go a long way to be competitive.
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Old 11-07-2022, 03:09 PM   #8162
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So still quicker 5-60 than the 2023 GR ?

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/



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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ited-compared/

On a good day, the oversquare flat four might do 6.3 secs, on some other days, looks like C&D has been getting 6.7 secs.
I really don't care about these numbers though; I have driven the new WRX and there just isn't enough power from idle to about 3~4K given the large 2.4L displacement.
Maybe the 258 lb-ft limit is there to protect the 6 M/T.
But, I think Subaru should have spent the extra money to federalize the engine with a much higher torque output from low to midrange with the HTCVT/SPT.
There's no STI and therefore no need to hold WRX back.
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Old 11-07-2022, 03:28 PM   #8163
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the low torque is probably due protecting the cvt. they're not going to let the mt have more torque than the cvt model.

sti was cancelled pretty late into the project, the goals of the wrx were already set.

it's still speculative on what subrau will do with their halo sti name. seems like the sti was cancelled due to the cost to get the sti be epa compliant. the wrx epa scores are already pretty bad. i can only imagine the sti being worse.

maybe toyota will give subaru some cash to revive the sti name. at the moment, subaru seems pretty content with status quo.
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the low torque is probably due protecting the cvt. they're not going to let the mt have more torque than the cvt model.

sti was cancelled pretty late into the project, the goals of the wrx were already set.

it's still speculative on what subrau will do with their halo sti name. seems like the sti was cancelled due to the cost to get the sti be epa compliant. the wrx epa scores are already pretty bad. i can only imagine the sti being worse.

maybe toyota will give subaru some cash to revive the sti name. at the moment, subaru seems pretty content with status quo.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:41 PM   #8165
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Good. That was realistic, unbiased, review which I think we can all agree with. Those type of reports sometimes poke Subaru into action. Hopefully it does.

Sounds like a tS would go a long way to be competitive.
I am not disagreeing with the conclusion but it was a very lazy and short article. It wasn't a head to head but rather a short comparison of tests done at different times with little substance. IMO, the N is a fantastic car but it is one of those cars that would get old after about 3 months, at least where I live. It is something I would like to drive short term but not own, this goes for the dealer service as well. My PDR guy would hate me too. That's just me. The WRX is just more balanced. It falls right in between the N and a GTI. Still a ton of fun but more comfortable. You can slap a nice set of all season tires and drive it all year round. It will eat up the bad pavement and inclement weather, the aftermarket is endless, dealer service is fantastic, AWD is second to none. One major issue I would have is the fuel economy if you drive a long distance on the daily basis. That can add up real quick. But yes tS model with DCC and better brakes would go a long way.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:45 PM   #8166
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[...]the wrx epa scores are already pretty bad. i can only imagine the sti being worse.[...]
I understand that. But, that's not an excuse.
The rules of the EPA/CARB game had been in place way before the STI got canned; other manufacturers had anticipated these rules/regulations and have been able to deliver.
The engine is only one part of the equation; losses in the AWD drivetrain is another part and it's hugely important.
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Old 11-07-2022, 04:46 PM   #8167
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I am not disagreeing with the conclusion but it was a very lazy and short article. It wasn't a head to head but rather a short comparison of tests done at different times with little substance. IMO, the N is a fantastic car but it is one of those cars that would get old after about 3 months, at least where I live. It is something I would like to drive short term but not own, this goes for the dealer service as well. My PDR guy would hate me too. That's just me. The WRX is just more balanced. It falls right in between the N and a GTI. Still a ton of fun but more comfortable. You can slap a nice set of all season tires and drive it all year round. It will eat up the bad pavement and inclement weather, the aftermarket is endless, dealer service is fantastic, AWD is second to none. One major issue I would have is the fuel economy if you drive a long distance on the daily basis. That can add up real quick. But yes tS model with DCC and better brakes would go a long way.
I would never recommend a Kia/Hyundai to anyone. However, the Elantra N, based on other reviews is legit. The WRX/STI/Evo used to be at or near the top of the tuner market. They have rested on their laurels, and this is the bland outcome. Of course, AWD is better. But that can't be the only advantage of the car. Subaru needs to show that they still care about attracting buyers to this segment...they don't. I would have argued with anyone years ago that the WRX was the best car under $30k, and yet today, at whatever price, I can't do it. The WRX has lost its soul for a lot of us.

And that hurts us deeply. (I am not being sarcastic at all)
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Old 11-07-2022, 07:08 PM   #8168
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I am not disagreeing with the conclusion but it was a very lazy and short article. It wasn't a head to head but rather a short comparison of tests done at different times with little substance. IMO, the N is a fantastic car but it is one of those cars that would get old after about 3 months, at least where I live. It is something I would like to drive short term but not own, this goes for the dealer service as well. My PDR guy would hate me too. That's just me. The WRX is just more balanced. It falls right in between the N and a GTI. Still a ton of fun but more comfortable. You can slap a nice set of all season tires and drive it all year round. It will eat up the bad pavement and inclement weather, the aftermarket is endless, dealer service is fantastic, AWD is second to none. One major issue I would have is the fuel economy if you drive a long distance on the daily basis. That can add up real quick. But yes tS model with DCC and better brakes would go a long way.
What makes you think these times were done at separate times? They clearly had both cars at the same time in the same place.

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Old 11-08-2022, 02:27 AM   #8169
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Russ gets told to stop yet others keep going and nobody says anything to them LOL.



And then there’s straight6. You realize a WRX with “all seasons” is not unstoppable. Need real winter tires for actual snow storms. You’d know that if you ever actually owned a Subaru.


They said in the article the car does a 6 5-60 because it’s lags. It also says it only does a 4.9 0-60 bc of the extra shift and it’s actually more in the 4.3-4.4 range it sounds like. You are an oxygen thief.
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we need to start a petition to have the acceleration times changed to depict 0-50mph to provide a more accurate measure of acceleration, and also help protect manual transmissions.

it's all a huge conspiracy to make manual transmissions look bad, they could easily gear a car to stay in second gear through 60mph, but they always choose to require a shift to 3rd at 57mph? nah, mate, that's conspiracy I tell you!

I'm going to change.org to create a petition, follow me everyone!
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we need to start a petition to have the acceleration times changed to depict 0-50mph to provide a more accurate measure of acceleration, and also help protect manual transmissions.

it's all a huge conspiracy to make manual transmissions look bad, they could easily gear a car to stay in second gear through 60mph, but they always choose to require a shift to 3rd at 57mph? nah, mate, that's conspiracy I tell you!

I'm going to change.org to create a petition, follow me everyone!
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Old 11-08-2022, 12:26 PM   #8172
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Russ gets told to stop yet others keep going and nobody says anything to them LOL.



And then there’s straight6. You realize a WRX with “all seasons” is not unstoppable. Need real winter tires for actual snow storms. You’d know that if you ever actually owned a Subaru.


They said in the article the car does a 6 5-60 because it’s lags. It also says it only does a 4.9 0-60 bc of the extra shift and it’s actually more in the 4.3-4.4 range it sounds like. You are an oxygen thief.
Is "need" winter tires more of a general term you're using for "best"? I've been through a few snow storms, in two countries, on all seasons and did just fine. But, yes, real winter tires would certainly have made that nicer.
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Tires help with acceleration traction but most importantly braking traction. People think their AWD is good enough until physics and inertia puts them into things.
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I put winter tires on both my Tesla (it has all seasons) and my Giulia (summer tires). That being said, if you are like many Americans and can stay home during snow storms, then All-Seasons are fine since it is dry 99% of the winter. If you intend to drive in snow, especially ski resort towns, then of course winter tires are preferred, even with AWD.

I always promote winter tires, but let's be honest, 99% of drivers don't use them, and don't get into accidents each winter.
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Old 11-08-2022, 12:45 PM   #8175
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Tires help with acceleration traction but most importantly braking traction. People think their AWD is good enough until physics and inertia puts them into things.
I tell people this ALL the time when the conversation seems they think the AWD is something "super" special.

"AWD will help you move around and control better than 2wd; but, it is a 3000+lb car. It won't stop any different than any other 3000+lb car."
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