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Old 08-02-2022, 05:10 PM   #401
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So much confusion.

But, yes, I expect the GRC Core to start at $30k-$31k, possibly $32k. We should know pricing very, very soon. It makes me feel bad for the WRX since it JUST came out. But Subaru needs competition badly.
The Corolla GR has little to no influence over the WRX. It is a niche car that will sell at significantly lower numbers with a very high ADM. Also, it is much smaller on the inside than the WRX and the boot is tiny.
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Old 08-02-2022, 05:24 PM   #402
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If VW made the Jetta GLI with 4Motion and charged 35k to start, I still don't think it would dent sales of the WRX. I would buy it, but I'm admittedly a minority enthusiast that likes the lowest popular models in terms of overall sales.

The WRX is its own thing. When Mitsu tried their hand with the Ralliart, it didn't gain traction compared to the WRX and didn't last long. So competition doesn't really force Subaru's hand to make something better at all. They just keep doing their thing. And other manu's have a difficult time cracking their recipe.
To be fair, no one has really made a true WRX competitor.

2008 Lancer Ralliart (237 hp?) was the closest attempt, but they benchmarked the 2008 WRX (224 hp) and then got blown out of the water by the 2009 WRX (265 hp), plus Mitsu has it's own brand/dealer issues.

Golf R has always been STI prices for WRX performance. It's a slightly more upscale offering for the segment, but the price means it doesn't compete.

What else is/was there with AWD in the sub-$40k sporty car segment? Not much, if anything.
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Old 08-02-2022, 09:53 PM   #403
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To be fair, no one has really made a true WRX competitor.

2008 Lancer Ralliart (237 hp?) was the closest attempt, but they benchmarked the 2008 WRX (224 hp) and then got blown out of the water by the 2009 WRX (265 hp), plus Mitsu has it's own brand/dealer issues.

Golf R has always been STI prices for WRX performance. It's a slightly more upscale offering for the segment, but the price means it doesn't compete.

What else is/was there with AWD in the sub-$40k sporty car segment? Not much, if anything.
Since the MK7 the golf r hs been a faster car. Straight like especially

Focus RS beat the STI

GR Corolla will render the Wrx obsolete.
Really the STI has been irrelevant from a giant killer perspective since 07

Not to mention the GR Corolla is running a drivetrain that was homologated for WRC.

So pretty much the Toyota is what every USDM Subaru owner has wished there car was since 2002.
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Old 08-02-2022, 10:12 PM   #404
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GR Corolla will render the Wrx obsolete.
Too small
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Old 08-02-2022, 10:13 PM   #405
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GR Corolla will render the Wrx obsolete.


Thanks for a good laugh, you never fail.
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Old 08-02-2022, 10:56 PM   #406
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Too small
75% of WRX buyers want a smaller car - closer to its GD chassis size or even a small hatchback like the corolla.
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Old 08-02-2022, 10:57 PM   #407
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Thanks for a good laugh, you never fail.
LOL talk about delusional
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Old 08-02-2022, 11:42 PM   #408
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75% of WRX buyers want a smaller car - closer to its GD chassis size or even a small hatchback like the corolla.
source for stat?
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I don't believe that stat. That's what I want, but again, I'm not their demographic.

What I've learned the past couple years is People need to put at least 3 rear facing carseats in their world rally cars.
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75% of WRX buyers want this forum to get fixed
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Old 08-03-2022, 05:04 AM   #411
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Old 08-03-2022, 07:42 AM   #412
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I don't believe that stat. That's what I want, but again, I'm not their demographic.

What I've learned the past couple years is People need to put at least 3 rear facing carseats in their world rally cars.
and need AWD for just in case its snowing or raining when they dump the clutch to try and beat the Camry that's right next to them.
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Old 08-03-2022, 08:16 AM   #413
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No no no no. You NEED it for legit professional circuit racing in the middle of a Category 5 hurricane, as one tends to do in specific parts of the continent.
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He pulled that stat straight out of his behind, just like every other post of his. Made it up with zero sources to back it up.
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Since the MK7 the golf r hs been a faster car. Straight like especially

Focus RS beat the STI

GR Corolla will render the Wrx obsolete.
Really the STI has been irrelevant from a giant killer perspective since 07

Not to mention the GR Corolla is running a drivetrain that was homologated for WRC.

So pretty much the Toyota is what every USDM Subaru owner has wished there car was since 2002.
2018 Golf R = 0-60 in 4.8 seconds for $40k+. That's basically the performance of a 2009 WRX for double the price. WRX and Golf R buyers historically were not the same segment.

Focus RS was an STI competitor, not WRX. WRX starts in the twenties.

GR or not, the Corolla has a lot of perception to overcome. Also, it may be rather limited in production or excessive ADMs. Hopefully it will be a catalyst for Subaru, but I doubt it.
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Too small
For what? Itís supposed to be a drivers car first and foremost, not the family truckster.
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Old 08-03-2022, 02:37 PM   #417
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2018 Golf R = 0-60 in 4.8 seconds for $40k+. That's basically the performance of a 2009 WRX for double the price. WRX and Golf R buyers historically were not the same segment.

Focus RS was an STI competitor, not WRX. WRX starts in the twenties.

GR or not, the Corolla has a lot of perception to overcome. Also, it may be rather limited in production or excessive ADMs. Hopefully it will be a catalyst for Subaru, but I doubt it.
Golf R has always been a STI competitor. The 09 Wrx was clocking faster 0-60 times than the sti
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Golf R has always been a STI competitor. The 09 Wrx was clocking faster 0-60 times than the sti
Right, it's not a WRX competitor. There are very few, if any, WRX segment competitors. Which is a problem in the long run.
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Right, it's not a WRX competitor. There are very few, if any, WRX segment competitors. Which is a problem in the long run.
Yep. Thatís why you watch Toyota come in with the GRC @ 30K ish. Bye bye Subaru

Even if they sell 5K of them a year it still burns. Thatís 5K people to Toyota, and a handful will go for a golf R, some gti etc. ripple effect
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Yep. Thatís why you watch Toyota come in with the GRC @ 30K ish. Bye bye Subaru

Even if they sell 5K of them a year it still burns. Thatís 5K people to Toyota, and a handful will go for a golf R, some gti etc. ripple effect
It's going to be a big blow to Subaru...if it sells for more than 1 or 2 years. This is like the Focus RS, it was a blip, doesn't really hurt the WRX/STI.
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I doubt the GR will be a failure like the RS but it will sell at significantly lower numbers and much higher real world price than the WRX. Also, it is a much, much smaller vehicle and it will have little to influence over the WRX sales, which are very strong.
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Old 08-03-2022, 09:28 PM   #422
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I doubt the GR will be a failure like the RS but it will sell at significantly lower numbers and much higher real world price than the WRX. Also, it is a much, much smaller vehicle and it will have little to influence over the WRX sales, which are very strong.
Focus RS was never a failure. They where very hard to buy and find. They got rave reviews and battled the CTR in every comparison test and won many as well

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BTW if anyone cares,

The Cancelled STI was between using the EJ built to S209 specifications and an all new motor (new for the STI, unconfirmed where itís from but not same as Wrx)

Final product was supposed to be this new to platform mystery engine. It was 1 EJ Mule and 2 of these new motors in the 3 or so production cars that have actually been seen by people stateside.
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I love this thread. This **** is hilarious.
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Old 08-03-2022, 10:55 PM   #425
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Since the MK7 the golf r hs been a faster car. Straight like especially

Focus RS beat the STI

GR Corolla will render the Wrx obsolete.
Really the STI has been irrelevant from a giant killer perspective since 07

Not to mention the GR Corolla is running a drivetrain that was homologated for WRC.

So pretty much the Toyota is what every USDM Subaru owner has wished there car was since 2002.
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Yep. Thatís why you watch Toyota come in with the GRC @ 30K ish. Bye bye Subaru

Even if they sell 5K of them a year it still burns. Thatís 5K people to Toyota, and a handful will go for a golf R, some gti etc. ripple effect

Obsolete how? That's funny.


And you make it sound like all 5000 of the customers were guaranteed Subaru buyers and they all left to buy the Toyota only and Subaru won't have any sales. Has that happened with ANY competitor yet? No. WRX might not be "strong" right now counter to some(one) beliefs here, but it'll soldier on just fine like it always has. It is the best all around car.


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BTW if anyone cares,

The Cancelled STI was between using the EJ built to S209 specifications and an all new motor (new for the STI, unconfirmed where itís from but not same as Wrx)....



Gonna say no to the underlined and nothing else.
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