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Old 08-04-2022, 12:28 AM   #426
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Old 08-04-2022, 01:12 AM   #427
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Focus RS was never a failure. They where very hard to buy and find. They got rave reviews and battled the CTR in every comparison test and won many as well
The Mk1, Mk2, or Mk3 RS were limited edition vehicles. Set production numbers, and thatís it. Even when they brought it stateside, they sold every single one of them. It was not a failure by any means. Someone posting more WRB sunglasses bs.

Rumor is the GRC will start at $32.9k. We will see though. We know 100% that Toyo is holding pricing in a chess match with Honda currently. Drivetrain and powertrain are paid for so they can literally do whatever they want.
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Old 08-05-2022, 09:51 AM   #428
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The Mk1, Mk2, or Mk3 RS were limited edition vehicles. Set production numbers, and thatís it. Even when they brought it stateside, they sold every single one of them. It was not a failure by any means. Someone posting more WRB sunglasses bs.

Rumor is the GRC will start at $32.9k. We will see though. We know 100% that Toyo is holding pricing in a chess match with Honda currently. Drivetrain and powertrain are paid for so they can literally do whatever they want.
I had a 2017 Focus RS I sold my 2016 STI for. Car was absolutely amazing. Iím not one to tune or modify engines on new cars, so a Remus exhaust and some flaps was all it had. That car was everything the STI should have been. One of the best gripping cars Iíve ever driven.
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Old 08-08-2022, 12:06 PM   #429
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**** it, bring back the Celica
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Old 08-08-2022, 03:59 PM   #430
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**** it, bring back the Celica
Iíd take it. Throw the G16 and GRY drivetrain in there and done. But people would literally cry it existed.
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Old 08-09-2022, 04:56 PM   #431
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Talked to Joe Spitz. Heís retired so 2021 MY will be the last for his website
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Old 08-09-2022, 06:14 PM   #432
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That's sad. I liked using his site from time to time. Still a great resource for previous gen info.
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Old 08-09-2022, 07:46 PM   #433
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Is he letting the domain and site lapse so it will be a dead link? When will that happen?
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Old 08-09-2022, 11:58 PM   #434
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SOA just needs to make it look like a Levorg sedan. I like my 20 but the thing is really feeling dated. It would be nice to get something a little more modern looking inside and out. I can even deal with the 6k redline and 1980s-era AWD but I CANNOT and WILL NOT accept the ridiculous cladding and rear "bumper."

If this rumor is true, and if SOA actually redesigns it properly (not just painting the plastic but making it all metal on the fenders and proper moldings/rear bumper) then that would do wonders for the appearance. I would even be fine if they kept the plastic-fantastic as a Wilderness Model.

Fingers crossed this is true. I wrote to SOA already and expressed my displeasure with their abomination. I was ready to buy until I saw the release images/video, where I then promptly vomited and had a stomach ache for five days straight. I am praying they fix the appearance, because these are great cars that hold their value well at at this price point. There's really nothing else like it for 30-35k.

In a perfect world, the 2023 would have (in order of importance):

Levorg-inspired appearance. No plastic cladding. Normal rear bumper.
LSD in rear
6500-RPM redline
Same price as 2022
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Electronic dampers on MT (not a real big deal since these aren't the most technologically advanced dampers and also cost 3x to replace compared to regular ones. not worth the price IMO)

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Old 08-10-2022, 12:30 AM   #435
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Is he letting the domain and site lapse so it will be a dead link? When will that happen?
I have no idea Iíll call him tomorrow and ask. He did 35 years of Subaru sales. He helped many people especially from the late 90s and early 2000s learn more about SubarusÖ..SOA should have given him something for his 20th, 25th, 30th , 35th year of service marksÖ.or at least when he retired. Not even one award he got from them. Just goes to show they donít give a s****. That guy could probably run the North American product dep better than 99% of people in those positions
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Old 08-10-2022, 03:59 AM   #436
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In a perfect world, the 2023 would have (in order of importance):

Levorg-inspired appearance. No plastic cladding. Normal rear bumper.
LSD in rear
6500-RPM redline
Same price as 2022
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Electronic dampers on MT (not a real big deal since these aren't the most technologically advanced dampers and also cost 3x to replace compared to regular ones. not worth the price IMO)
Rear LSD, 6500 RPM redline, fixed the two main ďlooksĒ issues, even though I hate sedans, itíd be in the conversation for my next car, pairing it up against the GRC. Thatís if itís thousands less expensive than the GRC in this trim you list above. That solves everything I have issue with. Hate that itís still sedan only but your list would make this thing a ton better. The LSD would be huge.
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Old 08-10-2022, 09:55 AM   #437
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SOA just needs to make it look like a Levorg sedan. I like my 20 but the thing is really feeling dated. It would be nice to get something a little more modern looking inside and out. I can even deal with the 6k redline and 1980s-era AWD but I CANNOT and WILL NOT accept the ridiculous cladding and rear "bumper."

If this rumor is true, and if SOA actually redesigns it properly (not just painting the plastic but making it all metal on the fenders and proper moldings/rear bumper) then that would do wonders for the appearance. I would even be fine if they kept the plastic-fantastic as a Wilderness Model.

Fingers crossed this is true. I wrote to SOA already and expressed my displeasure with their abomination. I was ready to buy until I saw the release images/video, where I then promptly vomited and had a stomach ache for five days straight. I am praying they fix the appearance, because these are great cars that hold their value well at at this price point. There's really nothing else like it for 30-35k.

In a perfect world, the 2023 would have (in order of importance):

Levorg-inspired appearance. No plastic cladding. Normal rear bumper.
LSD in rear
6500-RPM redline
Same price as 2022
Recaro seat option
Electronic dampers on MT (not a real big deal since these aren't the most technologically advanced dampers and also cost 3x to replace compared to regular ones. not worth the price IMO)

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I have no idea I'll call him tomorrow and ask. He did 35 years of Subaru sales. He helped many people especially from the late 90s and early 2000s learn more about Subarus***8230;..SOA should have given him something for his 20th, 25th, 30th , 35th year of service marks***8230;.or at least when he retired. Not even one award he got from them. Just goes to show they don't give a s****. That guy could probably run the North American product dep better than 99% of people in those positions

I was unaware he worked for SOA. Thought he was a salesperson at a dealership.
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Old 08-10-2022, 10:00 AM   #438
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Rear LSD, 6500 RPM redline, fixed the two main ďlooksĒ issues, even though I hate sedans, itíd be in the conversation for my next car, pairing it up against the GRC. Thatís if itís thousands less expensive than the GRC in this trim you list above. That solves everything I have issue with. Hate that itís still sedan only but your list would make this thing a ton better. The LSD would be huge.
I still don't think you would take a WRX over the GRC. They would need to do a lot more to the WRX, to make you buy it over a GRC.

For one the one the GRC is GD size and weighs around a GD STI for a Core model and weighs even less if you somehow score a Morizo edition.

The GRC is a much better vehicle if you want to do actual performance driving. If you just want to wear a flat bill, vape while holding your monster energy with your two kids in tow, well we all know which vehicle you are going to get. I know you aren't the latter, so the GRC is about the only vehicle that makes sense currently.

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Drama much?





I was unaware he worked for SOA. Thought he was a salesperson at a dealership.
SOA doesn't give out Stellar Sales Person of the Month awards, or a Stellar Lifetime Achievement award?
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SOA doesn't give out Stellar Sales Person of the Month awards, or a Stellar Lifetime Achievement award?



LOL. They do. They recognize someone each month. Not sure about lifetime. Doubt my "small" retailer would have a sales mark that would warrant it; so, I've never seen it.



Kidding aside I think they have some stuff. I agree he deserves it. I'll actually inquire with my DM and see if I can't spark something(if nothing is actually being done).
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LOL. They do. They recognize someone each month. Not sure about lifetime. Doubt my "small" retailer would have a sales mark that would warrant it; so, I've never seen it.



Kidding aside I think they have some stuff. I agree he deserves it. I'll actually inquire with my DM and see if I can't spark something(if nothing is actually being done).
Yeah he was a sales person at carter. He retired already. He had mentioned at the 35 yr mark he was contemplating retiring, but he never got recognized for anything from them and decided being 70 itís time. I think he was dissapointed. 35 years of working with a customer base, especially Subarus, makes him much more knowledgeable than 90% of the people they hire at SOA with a masters and zero experience. SorryÖif any car guys talked to most of the people over there your head would spin. Itís like talking to robots, with the exception of some.
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Yeah he was a sales person at carter. He retired already. He had mentioned at the 35 yr mark he was contemplating retiring, but he never got recognized for anything from them and decided being 70 itís time. I think he was dissapointed. 35 years of working with a customer base, especially Subarus, makes him much more knowledgeable than 90% of the people they hire at SOA with a masters and zero experience. SorryÖif any car guys talked to most of the people over there your head would spin. Itís like talking to robots, with the exception of some.



Yeah. There are that "some". I've met many of them. But, Camden is a "business". I'd think that many there it doesn't matter the product their company is offering. I do believe many/most of them like what the company does for the community though. I saw that both times I was up there. Well, Cherry Hill. Haven't been to Camden yet.
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Most of the people that are hired as say a DSM for example, theyre usually hired out of college or come from being related to a similar department of another car brand. Our DSM I think came from Toyotaa Corp, really nice guy, drives a round a BRZ with a babyseat in the back. But he thought the 22 WRX had crossbars, speakers, and other random accessories available, when they never were. Then told us we were to receive a ton of CVT fluid in like a week, only for it to be pretty much on "No ETA" for the foreseeable future. So I definitely think, predominantly, most of these guys are just regular working stiffs climbing the ladder. Or maybe theyre so busy with their individual duties it doesn't let them pay attn to certain things. Who knows
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Most of the people that are hired as say a DSM for example, theyre usually hired out of college or come from being related to a similar department of another car brand. Our DSM I think came from Toyotaa Corp, really nice guy, drives a round a BRZ with a babyseat in the back. But he thought the 22 WRX had crossbars, speakers, and other random accessories available, when they never were. Then told us we were to receive a ton of CVT fluid in like a week, only for it to be pretty much on "No ETA" for the foreseeable future. So I definitely think, predominantly, most of these guys are just regular working stiffs climbing the ladder. Or maybe theyre so busy with their individual duties it doesn't let them pay attn to certain things. Who knows



Very much so. I do think that a lot of them will come to like the cars; but, I've met a few that are just what you say. It's a job their credentials matched.



I mean, Subaru's communications person left for 2 other brands and now is taking a job outside of the auto industry. It's just a job to many. Not saying that person didn't love cars, though.
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I still don't think you would take a WRX over the GRC. They would need to do a lot more to the WRX, to make you buy it over a GRC.

For one the one the GRC is GD size and weighs around a GD STI for a Core model and weighs even less if you somehow score a Morizo edition.

The GRC is a much better vehicle if you want to do actual performance driving. If you just want to wear a flat bill, vape while holding your monster energy with your two kids in tow, well we all know which vehicle you are going to get. I know you aren't the latter, so the GRC is about the only vehicle that makes sense currently.

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No doubt dude. Címon. I was talking in a perfect world if Booby offered all that, especially the rear LSD and there was say a 10k delta in pricing where the WRX was 10k cheaper. At that point, oh yeah, sure. Iíve no use for a sedan, detest them. But say Toyo comes in with a 42k price tag and Booby offered his full list for 32k. Hypothetical only. There is a reason I had a 1k deposit in on the GRC almost a month before it revealed. I would have given them a 10k deposit if it was the GRY.
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the car industry is just like any other industry.

it's mostly made up of people who just want a paycheck and aren't invested in their product, they keep themselves siloed into their own little piece of existence.

sure there's always some people who geek out at the industry they work in, but 90% of the workforce is just that, they'll jump to another industry if the pay is right. a product developer, that person probably geeks out, but a district manager? district manager fits their qualifications, they don't care whether they are district manager for Subaru, or McDonalds.
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The people who cared where going crazy when they cancelled the STI. Like someone else, @russ_G63 or whatever his username is said. Itís all about gov control. BA regulations. Long term the environment will be much worse off from EVs. The CEOs donít care if the company they run with a rich heritage like ford for example crash and burn going all in on EVs. They have lined pockets like the politicians do.

STI died at the hands of the current BS regulations.

Jam jam jam down everyoneís throats with the EV BS. Absolutely ridiculous. Synthetic fuels are the anwser.
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The people who cared where going crazy when they cancelled the STI. Like someone else, @russ_G63 or whatever his username is said. Itís all about gov control. BA regulations. Long term the environment will be much worse off from EVs. The CEOs donít care if the company they run with a rich heritage like ford for example crash and burn going all in on EVs. They have lined pockets like the politicians do.

STI died at the hands of the current BS regulations.

Jam jam jam down everyoneís throats with the EV BS. Absolutely ridiculous. Synthetic fuels are the anwser.
Mustang is still going strong, Corvette is still going strong, Challenger & Charger too, Camaro is up in the air currently, but both Ford & Chevy dropped small cars in the US, which no longer offset the CAFE targets that the V8 coupes can't even think about hitting.

STI died at the hands of Subaru; if your halo performance car can't meet emissions or fuel economy standards, so what, take the financial penalty or pass it on to the buyer, sell the performance car, or do what Subaru did and don't update the powertrain for nearly 20 years then drop the model and play the blame game.
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The people who cared where going crazy when they cancelled the STI. Like someone else, @russ_G63 or whatever his username is said. Itís all about gov control. BA regulations. Long term the environment will be much worse off from EVs. The CEOs donít care if the company they run with a rich heritage like ford for example crash and burn going all in on EVs. They have lined pockets like the politicians do.

STI died at the hands of the current BS regulations.

Jam jam jam down everyoneís throats with the EV BS. Absolutely ridiculous. Synthetic fuels are the anwser.
Iím not trying to be apprehensive here, but do you mind explaining where do you get that the environment will be much worse long term with EVs than with ICE?

To the best of my knowledge from everything Iíve read and seen explained, itís proven that taking into account A-Z from procuring energy, production, to the the ownership cycle of the vehicle, EV is simply cleaner. If I remember correctly most EVs overtake ICE in offsetting carbon footprint in around 2-3 years time.

So with all due respect, what youíre saying sound like pure misinformation bs.

Thereís tons of articles to prove not only this but that e-fuels are not the future as you said. Theyíre way more expensive alternative to EVs as they require so much more energy and thus theyíre not more eco friendly.

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Iím not trying to be apprehensive here, but do you mind explaining where do you get that the environment will be much worse long term with EVs than with ICE?
It's like you saw a sign that said road closed, bridge is out, and you crashed right through it with the pedal to the metal
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