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Old 05-17-2020, 02:46 PM   #1
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Default Concerns with WRX in HPDE events?

I'm currently in the market to buy a used 2013-2014 5-speed WRX as a 2nd car, something I can take to HPDE events and modify. My daily is a different car that I hoped I would track but I think it would be best to have a 2nd car dedicated for spirited driving and HPDE events.

I've been warned by a local shop that the WRX is a risk to track. Is there a particular model year that is better or worse?

I see the Killer B 3-piece oil pan kit as a must, along with an AOS, and maybe oil cooler kit and upgraded radiator/intercooler.

Would I be better off buying a different car for HPDE purposes over the WRX?

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Old 05-17-2020, 04:02 PM   #2
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Well there are other things too, like wheel bearings, brakes will need an upgrade probably, 5 speed trans might go out, might wind up needing a motor rebuild, things of that nature.
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Old 05-17-2020, 06:20 PM   #3
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Well there are other things too, like wheel bearings, brakes will need an upgrade probably, 5 speed trans might go out, might wind up needing a motor rebuild, things of that nature.
I thought there would be preventative mods that would help with the trans/engine
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Old 05-17-2020, 09:28 PM   #4
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I thought there would be preventative mods that would help with the trans/engine
Buying used is rolling the dice regardless. Tracking it plan on keeping $10k in the bank just in case.
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Old 05-18-2020, 01:51 PM   #5
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IF you want to do that you are probably better off buying a 2002-2007 Wrx or STi shell then building up from there.

Honestly for the same price as a used Wrx you can get a C5 corvette that will lap the wrx.
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Old 05-18-2020, 02:33 PM   #6
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Brakes have always been the weak spot with WRXs. STis fix this with much larger pad area and Brembos. Really, this is what will become an issue first. If you're a newbie on the track, there will be no issues beyond the nut behind the wheel. As you learn, you'll be faster and harder on the brakes. Then you'll be looking for ways to handle this.

Do your own research to find the highest dry boiling point fluid you can. I did a post in ancient times on this but I am sure there are cheaper, easier to find fluids available.

If you'd consider a different car, it's a matter of exactly which Miata you'd like to run. I personally like NA's with the later 1.8L stuffed into it. It'll be cheaper, have every spare part at the track you can even name and will cost you less for everything.
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Old 05-18-2020, 03:04 PM   #7
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A WRX is a pretty poor choice for a dedicated HPDE car. It's much better suited to be a fun practical daily in an area where it snows.

A gutted, or even totally stock, Miata would be much more fun while being cheaper and more mechanically robust.
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Old 05-18-2020, 05:37 PM   #8
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If you're buying used, look straight to STIs. The transmission, bearings, and brakes are enough difference to be worth it. Try to find one with lower mileage and no mods. Aside from the obvious weight difference between one of these and a Miata, if you start with an STI, it would be mostly pads, fluid, and tires. You can also save yourself some money by just doing a cool down lap every 5 laps or so. You're not losing anything in an HPDE, and if you're timing, the cool down laps would serve as little breaks in your time sheet for you to try different things like braking points, different lines, etc. The money saved would be in not needing to buy a radiator, oil cooler, brake ducts, etc, and you wouldn't chunk your tires if you're using street tires.
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Old 05-18-2020, 05:45 PM   #9
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Or skip Turbo subaru's all together...

Get a N/A GC, or something like a first gen Forester, something for $2000. Strip it, run better brakes and good coilovers and don't worry about it.

Cheaper than finding a Miata with a LSD (believe me I tried).
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Old 05-18-2020, 09:45 PM   #10
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Okay cool, I will try looking for an STI. I'm not fond of Miatas or the corvette so that's not really for me.

I appreciate everyone's input!
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Old 05-18-2020, 11:14 PM   #11
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Default Wrx is great.

A WRX is just as good as an. For tracking you will need track brake pads (I use carbotech XP10), changed high temperature brake fluid, an oil cooler is a nice have, a burped coolant system with changed fluid, and relatively good condition tires.

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I'm currently in the market to buy a used 2013-2014 5-speed WRX as a 2nd car, something I can take to HPDE events and modify. My daily is a different car that I hoped I would track but I think it would be best to have a 2nd car dedicated for spirited driving and HPDE events.

I've been warned by a local shop that the WRX is a risk to track. Is there a particular model year that is better or worse?

I see the Killer B 3-piece oil pan kit as a must, along with an AOS, and maybe oil cooler kit and upgraded radiator/intercooler.

Would I be better off buying a different car for HPDE purposes over the WRX?

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Old 05-20-2020, 02:24 PM   #12
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These guys would know better than I when it comes to Subaru track stuff, but from what I've heard and read, I'll agree that while they can be made to work well and be fairly reliable, you'll likely be spending a decent chunk more over something capable of turning quicker lap times with less headaches.

I love my daily '05 WRX wagon, super practical, very fun to drive, and still pretty reliable for hard driving on twisty backroads and the occasional autocross or trackcross, but since I already have a dedicated track car, I've been hesitant to track my WRX and/or spend the money on all the recommended mods for track day reliability.



Ultimately, it'll come down to how often you're planning on tracking the car, and how hard you're likely to push it, lap after lap. For one or two moderate track days a year, you'd probably be fine with some of those basic track mods, with a focus on track brake pads/fluid, oil control and coolant/oil temps.

Plenty of other low buck options out there to reliably turn laps in if you want something other than a Miata. Ask me how I know...

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Old 05-21-2020, 12:04 AM   #13
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I've looked into a slew of other cars such as GTI, Golf R, 370z, STI, and Corvette.

I want to buy local in Houston so my options are limited, and I want manual trans which doesn't help.

I've been looking for an STI and found 2 locally but 1 of them had a CEL and I couldn't switch the SI drive for some reason. The other that's local to me that i'll check out tomorrow is a 2016 STI that does have some mods done to it and has about 70k miles and wants $21,000

There's also a 2014 370Z that I may check out

I don't want a miata or anything like that. I will probably track 5-6 times a year, so not much by the standards set by others

I do appreciate everyone's help though tremendously
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5-6 times a year is enough to get good and go fast enough to put a strain on things, no doubt.

I'm not super familiar with the reliability of VW or Nissan at the track, but I'm willing to bet a fairly stock C5 Zo6 will handily outrun all those others you mentioned and be pretty dang robust. Right in your price range too.

Although you might have to invest heavily in some jean shorts and New Balance sneakers....
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5-6 times a year is enough to get good and go fast enough to put a strain on things, no doubt.

I'm not super familiar with the reliability of VW or Nissan at the track, but I'm willing to bet a fairly stock C5 Zo6 will handily outrun all those others you mentioned and be pretty dang robust. Right in your price range too.

Although you might have to invest heavily in some jean shorts and New Balance sneakers....
I haven't owned jeans shorts since 3rd grade, and never owned New Balance shoes, but you painted the most vivid picture with that description. Somehow I feel a mullet is also required

I am going to test drive the GTI today, it is FWD though. Would FWD be okay for HPDE?
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I think the mullets are still reserved for 3rd Gen Camaro owners, haha.



I'm really just kidding around with all that. A Corvette would be a wicked fast track car, while still being very comfy and streetable. Certainly not for everyone, and I'd argue you'd learn a lot more driving a slow car fast, than a fast car slow. Plus when you end up off the track, you'll be going slower hopefully.

GTI's are also pretty darn quick with a little tinkering and in the right hands, no idea how they hold up long term for track use though. FWD is 100% fine for HPDE. Usually really stable and easy to drive fast. A little less oversteery excitement, but while fun, isn't typically the fastest way around a track.

Be mindful that many a turbo car is usually going to have more heat-related engine issues at HPDE events, especially in the summer months.

Where did you say you're located again?
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GTIs should be fine, but I would go for a dual clutch on the track. GTIs also don't have front camber adjustment so you would need camber plates or expect to burn up front tires.

I would get a Mk3 Audi TT over a GTI for racing though, since that chassis weighs about 200lbs less, uses the same architecture, has camber adjustment plus room for much much larger tires, and has a super amazing interior to boot. You can get extremely low mile Mk3 Audi TTs for 25k.
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It's May 2020, don't we all have mullets at this point?
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BRZ is also a great option but it sounds like you're interested in fast cars.

The BRZ is a great car to learn how to drive fast though....

Get an oil cooler, get a good alignment, and take care of the brakes. That's all you need to go have fun and become a better driver.

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IF you want to do that you are probably better off buying a 2002-2007 Wrx or STi shell then building up from there.

Honestly for the same price as a used Wrx you can get a C5 corvette that will lap the wrx.
That, all day long.
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