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Old 03-08-2021, 06:22 PM   #376
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Buy a 2018 or 2019.
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Old 03-08-2021, 06:40 PM   #377
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From what I've seen, 2022 Golf R goes up to 14.1" diameter brake rotors. S4 is only 13.8". Not to say 18's won't work, but things are getting tighter.
Not all 17s are the same, but the 17s I have for snow tires on my Tiguan are 17x8 +35 and the clearance between the rim and caliper is down to credit card gappage. They are the same 13.4 brakes on the R and my GTI with the PP. If the caliper stays the same but the rotor grows, they could fit on the MK8 R. But if the caliper moves even a little these won't work and the chance others will fit in certain offsets and widths, if at all, shrinks significantly.

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Old 03-08-2021, 07:55 PM   #378
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avoid the 2015's and early 2016's. the haldex pump and turbo's were revised for better reliability after that. 2018-2019 have a 7 speed dsg vs. the earlier 6 speed. 2018 and 2019 were a mid cycle refresh and got the digital cockpit and better infotainment along with the 6/72k warranty.
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Nice, thanks for the q & d
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Old 03-08-2021, 08:32 PM   #379
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Have you seen the used prices..? You might be more inclined to buy new, the used prices are ridiculously high.

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Old 03-08-2021, 08:51 PM   #380
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Theyre not too bad out my way, but yeah they aint cheap
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Old 03-08-2021, 10:01 PM   #381
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Have you seen the used prices..? You might be more inclined to buy new, the used prices are ridiculously high.
Yeah this is not a car I’d buy lightly used, you save very little and might get someone’s lemon.
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Old 03-09-2021, 01:31 AM   #382
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Id only buy from somewhere like carmax or carvana or something with a return policy of sorts. I know who buys these, just like wrxs.
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Old 03-09-2021, 12:07 PM   #383
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Eh. It's a $40+K GT hatchback, not an STI. If you're buying one that's only a few years old its unlikely that you're buying one that was heavily modified and abused. Look for signs of any bolt ons, or the pin-pricks from a JB4.

Biggest concern for me would be getting a lemon.
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Old 03-09-2021, 12:28 PM   #384
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Yeah this is not a car I’d buy lightly used, you save very little and might get someone’s lemon.
The 6y/72K factory bumper-to-bumper warranty on used '18 and '19 makes it worth it, IMO. If something goes wrong, it's on VW.
Now, with all the updates to Mk8, it's worth waiting.
But, I don't think the Mk8 factory warranty will be as generous as '18/'19.
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Old 03-09-2021, 01:11 PM   #385
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The 6y/72K factory bumper-to-bumper warranty on used '18 and '19 makes it worth it, IMO. If something goes wrong, it's on VW.
Now, with all the updates to Mk8, it's worth waiting.
But, I don't think the Mk8 factory warranty will be as generous as '18/'19.
Forgot about that, I really wanted to buy a new GTI with that warranty, almost did.
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Old 03-09-2021, 01:59 PM   #386
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But, I don't think the Mk8 factory warranty will be as generous as '18/'19.
VW is now on the 4 yr/ 50k miles premium warranty bandwagon. This is bumper-to-bumper and powertrain.

The '18-'19 years were special from that standpoint but obviously not beneficial to VW.
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Old 03-09-2021, 02:04 PM   #387
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The 6y/72K factory bumper-to-bumper warranty on used '18 and '19 makes it worth it, IMO. If something goes wrong, it's on VW.
Now, with all the updates to Mk8, it's worth waiting.
But, I don't think the Mk8 factory warranty will be as generous as '18/'19.
The 2020's weren't, so the next gen won't be either. The old VW warranty is great, but they're not generous when it comes to overlooking mods. Anyone buying a used 2018 or 2019 based on the great warranty better be damn sure that it's not even the slightest bit modded.
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The 2020's weren't, so the next gen won't be either. The old VW warranty is great, but they're not generous when it comes to overlooking mods. Anyone buying a used 2018 or 2019 based on the great warranty better be damn sure that it's not even the slightest bit modded.
td1 flags for everyone!
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Info on rear unit.



Some extra technical details about the R from Benny and team. Cool how they designed the rear wing with two purposes.

You can turn on English subtitles.
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Old 03-09-2021, 05:08 PM   #390
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I think it was a really good move for them to get Benny to be a part of the roll out this time around. Dude can drive. He's the one who sets the ring records...
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The 2020's weren't, so the next gen won't be either. The old VW warranty is great, but they're not generous when it comes to overlooking mods. Anyone buying a used 2018 or 2019 based on the great warranty better be damn sure that it's not even the slightest bit modded.
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td1 flags for everyone!
Totally. But, I'm focusing on wheels, tires and brakes.
The engine runs like tits in stock form on Cali 91; I don't feel the immediate need for remapping.
I may add an oil cooler depending on what I find out during track days.
I'm more likely to mess around with the RDU and its controller; for my own edification more than anything else.
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Old 03-10-2021, 07:52 AM   #392
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R-Performance Torque Vectoring | Volkswagen R - YouTube

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Tech Tuesday: Golf R Performance Features | Volkswagen R - YouTube

Some extra technical details about the R from Benny and team. Cool how they designed the rear wing with two purposes.

You can turn on English subtitles.
Was hoping for some discussion of the AWD system, no luck, but hey at least it has blue brake calipers...
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Umm did you not see the first video??? It literally shows a cutaway of the rear diff....
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Was hoping for some discussion of the AWD system, no luck, but hey at least it has blue brake calipers...
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Old 03-10-2021, 08:44 AM   #394
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Ok, so that video with Benny was very good. Car looks like a blast to drive and it appears they got the traction control stuff figured out. That pricing though ....The car can't be that much. It will be DOA IMO if it's anywhere near that price.

Oh, and that little extra spoiler on top of the rear spoiler helps add a little something styling wise too. Sounds like they tested it and it also functionally helps with downforce too, so win-win.
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Ok, so that video with Benny was very good. Car looks like a blast to drive and it appears they got the traction control stuff figured out. That pricing though ....The car can't be that much. It will be DOA IMO if it's anywhere near that price.
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Umm did you not see the first video??? It literally shows a cutaway of the rear diff....
Yeah that discusses what a torque vectoring diff can do, but the AWD system wasn't discussed; I'll restate, as my original statement was admittedly vague.

I was hoping for an explanation of the AWD system, not just a cutaway of a torque vectoring diff, and a brief scene of a car getting slightly sideways on soaked pavement. For example: what the torque splits are F:R in each drive mode, if the driver has any input on a "fixed" distribution, if the vehicle can/will actually drift on dry pavement, if/when the nannies will intervein if "disabled".

Essentially, is VW "bandwagening" on drift-mode marketing, or is the R actually going to be a viable rear-biased AWD option in the market.
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From a VW forum..."The haldex gen 5 pre-empts slip and sends 50% power to the rear based on throttle. It is not reactive like older versions."

Looks like it's 52/48 split but they make an aftermarket halex controller that will let you make it 50/50

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Yeah that discusses what a torque vectoring diff can do, but the AWD system wasn't discussed; I'll restate, as my original statement was admittedly vague.

I was hoping for an explanation of the AWD system, not just a cutaway of a torque vectoring diff, and a brief scene of a car getting slightly sideways on soaked pavement. For example: what the torque splits are F:R in each drive mode, if the driver has any input on a "fixed" distribution, if the vehicle can/will actually drift on dry pavement, if/when the nannies will intervein if "disabled".

Essentially, is VW "bandwagening" on drift-mode marketing, or is the R actually going to be a viable rear-biased AWD option in the market.

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Did they mention anywhere whether the rear wheels are overdriven? The Focus RS (similar system) has the rears geared 2% faster than the fronts. This means the rear clutches must always be slipping.
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From a VW forum..."The haldex gen 5 pre-empts slip and sends 50% power to the rear based on throttle. It is not reactive like older versions."

Looks like it's 52/48 split but they make an aftermarket halex controller that will let you make it 50/50
Welp, the mk8 is dead before arrival for me then, was hoping for a rear biased power distribution option, ah well, I'll just keep driving RWD then.
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Welp, the mk8 is dead before arrival for me then, was hoping for a rear biased power distribution option, ah well, I'll just keep driving RWD then.
Haldex cannot do that in real life. 50:50 is the max.

Check out Tesla, Alfa Q4, BMW X-Drive, STI, Audi Quattro-Longitudinal for RWD-bias.

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Did they mention anywhere whether the rear wheels are overdriven? The Focus RS (similar system) has the rears geared 2% faster than the fronts. This means the rear clutches must always be slipping.
IIRC, you can't overdrive the front wheels with Haldex.

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Yeah that discusses what a torque vectoring diff can do, but the AWD system wasn't discussed; I'll restate, as my original statement was admittedly vague.

I was hoping for an explanation of the AWD system, not just a cutaway of a torque vectoring diff, and a brief scene of a car getting slightly sideways on soaked pavement. For example: what the torque splits are F:R in each drive mode, if the driver has any input on a "fixed" distribution, if the vehicle can/will actually drift on dry pavement, if/when the nannies will intervein if "disabled".

Essentially, is VW "bandwagening" on drift-mode marketing, or is the R actually going to be a viable rear-biased AWD option in the market.
I would love to know the f:r bias in each drive mode. If you watch the unveiling video they show a computer generated representation in some modes. It appears that Race, Drift and Special *DO* by default send more torque than normal to the rear (max 50%).

Drift allows 100% of the torque in there rear to flow to one tire. So, max 50% of total torque can go to the outside wheel. (100:0/0:100).

Here's a guess:
  • Comfort/Sport - 90:10 (initial) -> 5:5 (rear vectoring) (50% split)
  • Race/Special - 60:40? -> 20:20 (50% split)
  • Drift - 50:50? -> 50:0 / 0:50 (100% L or R)

Who knows but that gives you an idea.


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