ASP.... the competition...

[Scooby South]

The point to all this it to try and make our STi's better...more competitive...and learn what the competition is doing to make their cars fast...

Bill

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[Scooby South]

Originally Posted by BIGSKYWRX

Interesting you mention them going lower- Whiteline has come out w/ a roll center kit for the EVO (balljoint extender/tie rod ends). Their comments were that the EVO "suffered" more than the Impreza when lowered- thus their decision to build that kit first.

Obviously such a kit wouldn't be SP legal, but thought Whitelines comments concerning roll centers- EVO vs Impreza interesting.

yeah...I seen that too...big talk on the EVO board about it...

bill

[pleiades]

Originally Posted by Scooby South

IMO Not that competitive overall...or at least there hasn't been one of national caliber to speak of......

yet....

You know I like to stir.

[ULLLOSE]

Originally Posted by Scooby South

Vette:
-Strut bars are a must to be competitive
-335 rear with 295 front tires seem to be the norm
-hp is right around 375+ to the wheels torque is well over 400 lbs's
-coilovers not so common but 1000lb springs are pretty common
-Trac Bars??? are big for some reason
-Steering racks from different models vary accross the board to what ratio's they are using...some as hight 16:1 down to a GM Performance Rack to 10.5:1...
LSD or Locker

..

Strut bars, no, not needed and not used by top guys. Just adds weight.
Tires 335 rear and 315 front.
RWHP can be as low as 280 for an L98 car up to about 350 for an LT4. Tq is around 375 for all.
Coilovers not allowed, but fully adjustable mono-leafs are on the market up to about 1200lbs.
Trac bars, none.
Steering rack, the slow one is 15:1 the early C4 one is 13:1.
Weight 3000-3200lbs.

[Scooby South]

while doing more research...I found:

-That the C4 Vettes can invert their front control arm bushings to give another 2.3 degree's of camber...along with 1 deg of Caster.....

-Prepped BMW's have problems with engine mounts...and 'suggest' using after market items.

-that a Prepped Mazdaspeed Miata is BSP legal... and that Flyin' miata is getting about 240HP down on the stock turbo...Transmissions however; become subject to ridicule after about 225 hp...And they are getting 275's on a fully Prepped cars...with minimal fender mods...but Fender liners are pretty much history with ANY kind of suspension movement..

Bill

[ULLLOSE]

Originally Posted by Scooby South

while doing more research...I found:

-That the C4 Vettes can invert their front control arm bushings to give another 2.3 degree's of camber...along with 1 deg of Caster.....

Bill

They can not "invert" their bushings. You can buy offset lower control arm bushings that will let you get -2.5 to -3 when added to the factory adjustment. Not sure where you are getting your C4 info but a lot of it is off.

[ULLLOSE]

Originally Posted by Scooby South

while doing more research...I found:

-that a Prepped Mazdaspeed Miata is BSP legal... and that Flyin' miata is getting about 240HP down on the stock turbo...Transmissions however; become subject to ridicule after about 225 hp...And they are getting 275's on a fully Prepped cars...with minimal fender mods...but Fender liners are pretty much history with ANY kind of suspension movement..

Bill

Looking at the kits and dyno charts FM has for the MazdaSpeed the only one over 203 rwhp are the kits with a modified or replacement turbo, not BSP legal.
Also none of the current CSP Miata's, same body, can fit any of the current 275's with legal flares so not going to happen on a MS. Many years ago before the flare rule limited inner fender work Guy Ankeny had 265's on a Miata, but the fender mods he had would not be legal in SP today.

The MazdaSpeed is in the same class, but I would not call it competition.

[Scooby South]

Originally Posted by ULLLOSE

They can not "invert" their bushings. You can buy offset lower control arm bushings that will let you get -2.5 to -3 when added to the factory adjustment. Not sure where you are getting your C4 info but a lot of it is off.

I read somewhere and cant find the mod where the 18mm and 9mm bushings are swapped? on the upper control arms to gain camber for better cornering.
Anyone know this mod, and have pictures? Sailor proof pics , so I can do it. Thanks, Steve
1993 C4 FE1 with ZO7 bars and shocks, springs coming later, and Grand SPort tires/Wheels.

I moved the spacers front to rear to change the caster (the spacers are different thicknesses). This is not really needed IMO on later ('88 & up) C4s.

Machining both spacers equally will help with camber. I had mine machined .120" thinner. In conjunction with my installation of Global West del-a-lum bushings, I now have nearly -2.0* of camber up front and my caster is still >6*

come off the Vette board...

[ULLLOSE]

Originally Posted by Scooby South

come off the Vette board...

So you read it on the net so it must be true and legal right.... Those are not bushings they are aluminum spacers on the upper control arms. Also read appendix F of the SOLO rules and you will find where that exact item is listed as one that can not be modified or removed. That mod puts you in SM2.

There is a lot of bad info and worthless parts out there. Some dubm @ss out there is selling caster camber plates for the RX8. Ummm yeah the RX8 has upper and lower A arms, you can move the top of the shock a foot and it will not change your camber.

You guys are as bad at the Vette guys that think with a dial you have 600hp with a stock turbo in BSP.

[Scooby South]

Originally Posted by ULLLOSE

So you read it on the net so it must be true and legal right.... Those are not bushings they are aluminum spacers on the upper control arms. Also read appendix F of the SOLO rules and you will find where that exact item is listed as one that can not be modified or removed. That mod puts you in SM2.

There is a lot of bad info and worthless parts out there. Some dubm @ss out there is selling caster camber plates for the RX8. Ummm yeah the RX8 has upper and lower A arms, you can move the top of the shock a foot and it will not change your camber.

You guys are as bad at the Vette guys that think with a dial you have 600hp with a stock turbo in BSP.

But see..this is the info I am looking for....to actually check the "other' cars when in impound.....Now I know what to look for...whereas before...I didn't.....I not saying this is correct or not...its just something I am learning about the other cars......

and agreed about the bad info...

Bill

[BIGSKYWRX]

Originally Posted by ULLLOSE

You guys are as bad at the Vette guys that think with a dial you have 600hp with a stock turbo in BSP.

They don't.......... I guess I'm not going to buy an STi

[AUTOwrXER]

Bill - I think your 'Vette power numbers are accurate for the ZR-1, but not a competitive car.

Tak and Lieber did their homework with Andy's Evos. I spoke to John at length when the SPAC was considering another rally car move, and he disclosed some things to me in confidentiality that I won't repeat here. Suffice it to say that the car was very well (and legally) prepared. John is an engineer for a major Detroit automaker. He has access to equipment that most of us will never see, and he knows how to use it. In addition he drove the wheels off the car last year. I'm not concerned about that car being illegal as much as I'm concerned about being on the top of my game when I run into Mr. Berry in Topeka.

[crystalhelix]

Originally Posted by AUTOwrXER

Suffice it to say that the car was very well (and legally) prepared. John is an engineer for a major Detroit automaker. He has access to equipment that most of us will never see, and he knows how to use it. In addition he drove the wheels off the car last year. I'm not concerned about that car being illegal as much as I'm concerned about being on the top of my game when I run into Mr. Berry in Topeka.

so +1 for what I said before...homework done early and double checked ...I give them props either way and the 2 EVO's they've prepped are excellent benchmarks for how crazy fast BSP cars can be..

[MattNJ2.8]

Originally Posted by AUTOwrXER

Tak and Lieber did their homework with Andy's Evos. I spoke to John at length when the SPAC was considering another rally car move, [snip, snip]

I'm curious about this- were the Rally cars considered for a move to ASP?

[AUTOwrXER]

There were a lot of additional letters after Nationals. I used results to show how close the competition truly was (i.e. Vette times on Day 2, single drivers in heat 1 competition, etc.). Basically the best prepared and best driven car won. It hasn't gone any further.

[Scooby South]

You know what they say....

"Keep your Enemies close....and your friends closer..."...=

Bill

[ChrisDP]

Hmm... is the Solstice GXP/Sky Redline in BSP? If so... 260hp/260tq stock, quick spool, ability to fit BIG tires (285s/295s on the CStock ones, I'm thinking they could go with the slightly taller 315 and make better use of their gearing) light weight, not all THAT wide... Wonder how much power they can make in SP trim? On paper, that could be scary.

[Chiketkd]

^
That would be the case, however, I heard their stock turbo is pretty much maxed out in stock trim. I think someone on SCCA Forums was saying a GXP/Redline in SP trim would probably make somewhere between 300-350hp at the crank depending on $$$ invested which would put it in the same power range as a BSP C4 Corvette.

[AUTOwrXER]

Originally Posted by ChrisDP

Hmm... is the Solstice GXP/Sky Redline in BSP? If so... 260hp/260tq stock, quick spool, ability to fit BIG tires (285s/295s on the CStock ones, I'm thinking they could go with the slightly taller 315 and make better use of their gearing) light weight, not all THAT wide... Wonder how much power they can make in SP trim? On paper, that could be scary.

It's not being considered for BSP.

[Scooby South]

Originally Posted by AUTOwrXER

It's not being considered for BSP.

Whew..........................sigh......

[crystalhelix]

what's up with everyone in a suby liking their numbers being in the 90's

joel - 91
bill - 93
justin(me) - 99

Is there a theme I didn't know about? Any other BSP STi's with a ninety number? haha

[Scooby South]

Originally Posted by crystalhelix

what's up with everyone in a suby liking their numbers being in the 90's

joel - 91
bill - 93
justin(me) - 99

Is there a theme I didn't know about? Any other BSP STi's with a ninety number? haha

Pretty much have to see where the competition runs......


just trying something new...

I have been 6, 16, 61, and 20...so I decided to go toward the end of the pack this year......hopefully that won't be resident in my final #'s on where I finish...


Besides...its a theme.......I think..

Bill

[makofoto]

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[makofoto]

Since higher numbers run later at National events ... do the fast car owners typically run the 100 numbers so that their tire warmers run first?

At a little practice session a couple of weeks ago, Tom B. was a good 2 seconds faster then Max Hayter and his STU ProSolo winning STI. (I didn't see the final times at the end of the day.) Max was on brand new Yoks, Tom was on the very worn out Kuhmos that the ex-Tak car had arrived on ... on a short course, ie. Tom was in the 28's. It was very cool. The highest temps we saw trying to heat cycle new 275 710's on an ESP Forester was about 140+. Max was a second faster then Richard Jung if I recall correctly. Max was topping out in third at the finish ... the BSP car looked like a rocket in comparison. It will be interesting to see how local PAX Champ Tom Berry does this weekend in his first local race with it ... that will also feature in Pax people like Ken Motonishi, Rita Wilsey, Jason Isley, Jason Uyeda, perhaps Jason Rhodes in his new SM, ex STS Championship winning car, Ryan Buetzer, Jeff Barco, Steve O'Blenes and Scott McHugh, among other top drivers in out area.

This is what it takes to build National winning cars: http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=163184

Not saying he will, but the research and effort that Jason puts into building his cars is awesome!

[crystalhelix]

ooohhh..snap - double post..

damn- you have a lot of good drivers in your region..