ASP.... the competition... - Page 5

ratt_finkel · 02-10-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AUTOwrXER

Are you familiar with Jason Uyeda's car? He did a great job with it. Moton, ITBs, etc.

I'd be more interested in seeing the torque numbers for a well-done BSP S2k. Torque is where it's at when you're driving off a 25-30 mph corner...

Torque is just a downshift away!

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Chiketkd · 02-11-2007, 01:41 PM

^^
Very true. Gotta stay in the Vtec. Those S2000's almost drive like a turbo car in terms of the difference in power between the non-vtec and vtec rev ranges.

makofoto · 02-12-2007, 02:18 AM

Max how did your STU STI do against that BSP EVO this weekend ?

BlkWRXWag · 02-12-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by makofoto

Max how did your STU STI do against that BSP EVO this weekend ?

Pretty good, but I don't want to drag this thread off topic any more. Discussing the relative BSP/STU Pax will only send Isley into fits

makofoto · 02-12-2007, 12:14 PM

OK, I thought the raw times might be interesting, just as a comparison of what the SP allowances do

Silencer · 02-12-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BlkWRXWag

Pretty good, but I don't want to drag this thread off topic any more. Discussing the relative BSP/STU Pax will only send Isley into fits

Max, was this the first SD event of 07'?

Dave

BlkWRXWag · 02-12-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Silencer

Max, was this the first SD event of 07'?

Dave

Well, yes and no Dave. We had a practice on Saturday which was dry where we were better able to get realistic times. The SD event on Sunday was wet, but drying and Tom's BSP was on rain tires, so you can't really judge anything by that.

Practice times are difficult to gauge. People always drive balls-out, unafraid of hitting a cone. To beat Tom in relative PAX times on Saturday, meant me driving in a way that would get only 1 clean run in about 5 attempts

AUTOwrXER · 02-12-2007, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaf

Care to share yours

_J_

418 on C16, measured on a Dynapack. That was before decking the head, .020 over, forged pistons, balance and blueprint.

AndrewSS · 02-12-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Spaf

Huh? Previous posters have said that the S2k can get to under 2700lbs in stock form???

I think I've probably taken my S2k further along in BSP development than anyone else... Bone stock my car was 2770 on a full tank with the spare and tools removed. A reasonable weight for a well developed BSP S2k will be around 2530 full tank (my car is a little heavier than that)... S2k's fuel starve easily and don't always recover from it gracefully so you're better off running full tank vs. the weight savings imho. You could probably get to 2500 on a first gen (AP1) but you're probably splitting hairs at that point and compromising setup (i.e. lighter wheels at the compromise of proper wheel width, etc.).

I'd expect Dynojet numbers for a BSP S2k to be ~220-230 on a 2.2l (AP2). And maybe 10-15hp less on a 2.0l (AP1) but the AP1 will have gearing advantages on faster courses. Not considering the ud/bd possibilities obviously. You can get more peak hp at the cost of mid/low-range but that's a bad idea imho...

Here's another great Mako pic, my Evo bone stock including tires... If not on 2 wheels, pretty close to it.:

_J_

Things could be worse....

makofoto · 02-12-2007, 04:07 PM

? I don't get it ... did he or didn't he hit the cone? That's all that counts, right? :-)

Great and Famous shot ...

Chiketkd · 02-12-2007, 04:07 PM

^^^
DAYUM!!!!!!!!

MattNJ2.8 · 02-13-2007, 10:07 PM

Does anyone have a link to a folder for pics of the BSP heat at the 2006 nationals?

Chiketkd · 02-14-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MattNJ2.8

Does anyone have a link to a folder for pics of the BSP heat at the 2006 nationals?

Go here: http://www.printroom.com/pro/action

And click on the link to SCCA Solo Nat Sept 26 Heat 1 West. I saw some pics of Tak's Evo, Berry's Evo and Rothermel's STi.

P.S. Pics of the BSPL class can be seen at the SCCA Solo Nat Sept 26 Heat 3 West link on this page.

crystalhelix · 02-14-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiketkd

Go here: http://www.printroom.com/pro/action

And click on the link to SCCA Solo Nat Sept 26 Heat 1 West. I saw some pics of Tak's Evo, Berry's Evo and Rothermel's STi.

Man, those pics cost an arm and a leg. Also, there are pictures of sciolist's STi, and elterman's as well, driven by templeton and hohl (sp?) because james wife was making babies, lol...congrats to him!

and joel's car was in teh crapper...hopefully I don't break anything on mine this year...

It's nuts that that was already 5 months ago, time flies.

10th Warrior · 02-14-2007, 11:48 AM

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because james wife was making babies, lol...congrats to him!

Luckily for him she was late so there is a possiblity of him making Nats again sometime in the next 18 years

AUTOwrXER · 02-21-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisDP

Hmm... is the Solstice GXP/Sky Redline in BSP? If so... 260hp/260tq stock, quick spool, ability to fit BIG tires (285s/295s on the CStock ones, I'm thinking they could go with the slightly taller 315 and make better use of their gearing) light weight, not all THAT wide... Wonder how much power they can make in SP trim? On paper, that could be scary.

Officially ASP with the release of the March Fastrack.

ratt_finkel · 02-22-2007, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AUTOwrXER

Officially ASP with the release of the March Fastrack.

Typical SCCA move. That car will be buried there. I personally feel it would be a perfect fit for BSP. But only time will tell. But I guess it's better to over class the car so no one will build one, and then, omg! They won't have any data points to draw from.

When the the subject somes up again in a few years.

AUTOwrXER · 02-22-2007, 10:47 AM

I was personally in favor of ASP for the Solstice GXP. Explain to me why you think it would fit in BSP? Basically it would be an S2000 with more top end and TONS more bottom end.

j-rho · 02-22-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AUTOwrXER

I was personally in favor of ASP for the Solstice GXP. Explain to me why you think it would fit in BSP?

Because it still won't be close to a well-done Evo IX at HPT.

AUTOwrXER · 02-22-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by j-rho

Because it still won't be close to a well-done Evo IX at HPT.

I wouldn't be so sure. Let's take a look at Tipple's AS times this weekend. With boost and wheels that fit the 285s, that car is going to be a rocket. Remember that it makes 260 ft-lbs at 1800 rpm from the factory. I know your opinion is that the HPT surface changes everything. I agree with you for cold heat 1 runs, but with a little warmer temps, two drivers in the car, and a surface that has weathered in more than a few months, the game is much different.

j-rho · 02-22-2007, 04:13 PM

Too bad we probably won't ever know now, anybody with the capability of building/driving an ASP Skystice to its potential is probably too smart to take a chance against Z06s, GT2's, etc.

ratt_finkel · 02-22-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by j-rho

Too bad we probably won't ever know now, anybody with the capability of building/driving an ASP Skystice to its potential is probably too smart to take a chance against Z06s, GT2's, etc.

Bingo, I'd love to build one and give it a shot. But aside from the obvious financial reasons. There are just other cars I'd try way before the solstice. Like say, an elise.

Scooby South · 03-02-2007, 09:42 AM

Well...I learned some more things this past week on various cars...

- A 1967 Vette is BSP...complete with all the trimmings...made an interesting conversaton piece for sure.....the question is ...Who knows exactly what was on a 67 vette from the factory....

....

- most cars the have 315+ tires..can't get enough heat in them to work correctly...unless its hot ambient outside..

- a prepped STi can almost hang with a GT3/Z06 from SS and ASP..
(I think thats has alot to do with driver...and am no way saying an STi should go to ASP...neither is an EVO...

to me it comes down to course style, driving style, and car setup(tuning and suspension)...

to say a well driven Solstice couldn't hang...is just silly...especially since I watched Rob Faulkner drive one the first time in the car on nothing but hoosiers and thats it set a blistering time very similar to a GT3 in Practice

Bill

crystalhelix · 03-02-2007, 10:52 AM

315 tires kick ass, only when it's hot, hot, hot...

you southerners are probably ok...I have to deal with an ever changing western PA environment, lol..

AUTOwrXER · 03-02-2007, 11:25 AM

I didn't have any problems with 315s in 70 degree ambient temps. As long as the tires are room temp to 120* in grid you'll be fine.

03-02-2007, 09:42 AM	#123
Scooby South Subtly Outspoken Moderator Member#: 238 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: OG05 STi 51E	Well...I learned some more things this past week on various cars... - A 1967 Vette is BSP...complete with all the trimmings...made an interesting conversaton piece for sure.....the question is ...Who knows exactly what was on a 67 vette from the factory........ - most cars the have 315+ tires..can't get enough heat in them to work correctly...unless its hot ambient outside.. - a prepped STi can almost hang with a GT3/Z06 from SS and ASP.. (I think thats has alot to do with driver...and am no way saying an STi should go to ASP...neither is an EVO... to me it comes down to course style, driving style, and car setup(tuning and suspension)... to say a well driven Solstice couldn't hang...is just silly...especially since I watched Rob Faulkner drive one the first time in the car on nothing but hoosiers and thats it set a blistering time very similar to a GT3 in Practice Bill

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02-11-2007, 01:41 PM	#102
Chiketkd Scooby Guru Member#: 71634 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: C-Ville, VA Vehicle: In hibernation...	^^ Very true. Gotta stay in the Vtec. Those S2000's almost drive like a turbo car in terms of the difference in power between the non-vtec and vtec rev ranges.

02-12-2007, 02:18 AM	#103
makofoto Scooby Guru Member#: 25243 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: South Pasadena, CA Vehicle: 2006 Legacy Outback Blue	Max how did your STU STI do against that BSP EVO this weekend ?

02-12-2007, 12:14 PM	#105
makofoto Scooby Guru Member#: 25243 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: South Pasadena, CA Vehicle: 2006 Legacy Outback Blue	OK, I thought the raw times might be interesting, just as a comparison of what the SP allowances do

02-12-2007, 04:07 PM	#110
makofoto Scooby Guru Member#: 25243 Join Date: Sep 2002 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: South Pasadena, CA Vehicle: 2006 Legacy Outback Blue	? I don't get it ... did he or didn't he hit the cone? That's all that counts, right? :-) Great and Famous shot ...

02-12-2007, 04:07 PM	#111
Chiketkd Scooby Guru Member#: 71634 Join Date: Sep 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: C-Ville, VA Vehicle: In hibernation...	^^^ DAYUM!!!!!!!!

02-13-2007, 10:07 PM	#112
MattNJ2.8 Scooby Specialist Member#: 59277 Join Date: Apr 2004 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: Central NJ Vehicle: 2005 2009 Outback Mazda3, Miata	Does anyone have a link to a folder for pics of the BSP heat at the 2006 nationals?

02-22-2007, 10:47 AM	#118
AUTOwrXER Scooby Specialist Member#: 5817 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Vehicle: 2005 STi Silver	I was personally in favor of ASP for the Solstice GXP. Explain to me why you think it would fit in BSP? Basically it would be an S2000 with more top end and TONS more bottom end.

02-22-2007, 04:13 PM	#121
j-rho Scooby Newbie Member#: 86515 Join Date: May 2005	Too bad we probably won't ever know now, anybody with the capability of building/driving an ASP Skystice to its potential is probably too smart to take a chance against Z06s, GT2's, etc.

03-02-2007, 10:52 AM	#124
crystalhelix Scooby Guru Member#: 35313 Join Date: Apr 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: SpryRacing.com AgileAuto.com Vehicle: Spry Forester Silver Spark	315 tires kick ass, only when it's hot, hot, hot... you southerners are probably ok...I have to deal with an ever changing western PA environment, lol..

03-02-2007, 11:25 AM	#125
AUTOwrXER Scooby Specialist Member#: 5817 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Vehicle: 2005 STi Silver	I didn't have any problems with 315s in 70 degree ambient temps. As long as the tires are room temp to 120* in grid you'll be fine.