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Old 05-06-2009, 10:20 PM   #1
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Default My APR Stage 1 GTI feels faster than my 2009 WRX

Someone please tell me that a GTI with a 600 dollar mod doesnt completely wax a 2009 WRX. Someone also please tell me that the WRX gets faster after the break-in. I have 130 miles on the Rex and I've taken it to 5500 one time. It didn't feel quick and I'm having a VERY hard time beleiving Car and Driver when they say they hit 4.7 0-60 and 13.5 in the 1/4mi (faster than the 2009 STi)....Could someone please clear up why the WRX feels so sluggish?
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Old 05-06-2009, 10:22 PM   #2
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It'll break in. And the turbos on the 08 - 09 don't hit as hard as older models. I got my ass handed to me by a DSM Eclipse the other day. He took off like a bat out of hell and I was still climbing 50mph. There will ALWAYS be a faster car out there that costs less than yours. It sucks doesn't it?
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Old 05-06-2009, 10:24 PM   #3
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I'm definitely not abusing the car whatsoever but I did take it up to the 5500 on 95 and the boost felt too linear if you know what I'm saying...it almost doesn't feel like theres a top end with the stock turbo. It's a bit disheartening. I'm seriously hoping the Protune alleviates this issue. I love the car but I definitely wanna feel more power.
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Old 05-06-2009, 10:26 PM   #4
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It'll break in. And the turbos on the 08 - 09 don't hit as hard as older models. I got my ass handed to me by a DSM Eclipse the other day. He took off like a bat out of hell and I was still climbing 50mph. There will ALWAYS be a faster car out there that costs less than yours. It sucks doesn't it?

That's all ridiculous. Just because the car feels different than the GTI doesn't mean it's slower. Way to represent the Subaru crowd with stupid-ass shenanigans .


OP, let the car break-in before you judge it. Do the proper oil changes, and then (if you want to compare apples to apples ) do a Stage 1 reflash of it. Either way, it WILL do 0-60 in 4.7, but not very many times. The people who record those numbers don't get the bill when the break drivetrains. The shockload does not transmit harmlessly into wheelspin like it would on your GTI, it all falls on the drivetrain. Also, the car is bigger than your VDub. I can't recall the difference in WEIGHT, but it's a bigger car and will feel that way.

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Old 05-06-2009, 10:29 PM   #5
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Yeah I think Subaru tried to make a more smooth power line to make it easier to live with in traffic, so the 08-09 don't seem to have the same kick as the previous generations which makes them feel slower up top, though they are not. That was just what I felt after I drove an 08(after driving my 06 for a year).
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Thanks for the clarification. I know I'm being very picky here...but are people really hitting that 280whp mark with the protune/exhaust combo or is that a best case scenario? Does the boost increase on the tune alter the boost curve to produce more acceleration up top or is it still felt from 4200ish and up in the same linear manner? Again I adore this car...I'm just curious and a bit anxious..I wanna know what the car FEELS like after the tune. I think the reason I'm so giddy about this is because I've ridden in some lightly modded 05 STi's that absolutely massacred the road up top. I'm talking tires and a front mount..nothing excessive. I was hoping for a similar feel (I know I know, different car)...but I still assumed there would be something there.
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Your GTI has a small as turbo with lots of torque down low with nothing up top. It'll "feel" punchy and faster but in reality its not.
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Thanks for the clarification. I know I'm being very picky here...but are people really hitting that 280whp mark with the protune/exhaust combo or is that a best case scenario? Does the boost increase on the tune alter the boost curve to produce more acceleration up top or is it still felt from 4200ish and up in the same linear manner? Again I adore this car...I'm just curious and a bit anxious..I wanna know what the car FEELS like after the tune.

With a turbo-back exhaust and pro-tune, you will make more power EVERYWHERE, and a significant amount. 280wtq is an average, as different dynos read differently. I've seen as low as 250 and as high as 300, all on cars that were probably very similar in ACTUAL power, if that makes sense.
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Makes perfect sense Audio...you're very helpful. I saw the Cobb dyno thread but it didn't have any 1/4 mile times associated with the tunes which was very frustrating. It seems like it might just be one of those things I'll have to do myself then feel it out afterward...unless someone posts up a benchmark from a track visit. I guess the real question is whether the protune affects the WRX in the same dramatic fashion that the APR chip affects the MKV GTI...If anyone happens to have been in both configs of these cars, please chime in.
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I want to make one correction to post #8. I said 'wtq' when in fact the wtq should be north of 300, it's the wHP that will be closer to 280.

As for 1/4 mile times, they'll never be exact because they have EVERYTHING to do with the driver, but there's no question that a Stage 2 09 WRX can run 12s..... at at LEAST 105mph.

I'm not too familiar with modding the VDubs, so I can't say how it compares, but essentially you will make more power EVERYWHERE. More boost, quicker boost, more boost at redline, better throttle response, better gas mileage, etc... At no point in your powerband will you NOT make at least 20 more whp than you do now, and in reality it should be significantly more than that even. It will be a midrange monster, for sure. The turbo is still a bit small for that motor, so it will run out of breath a bit up top, but will spool nicely and should put a smile on your face from 3k-6k
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:12 PM   #11
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<---Already smiling. Thanks for painting a better picture of what the car can do for me.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:20 PM   #12
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Your GTI has a small as turbo with lots of torque down low with nothing up top. It'll "feel" punchy and faster but in reality its not.
this. i had a 1.8T gti with full bolt ons and it really hit you hard in 1st and 2nd gear at like 3k rpm, but was wheezing by 5k rpm even with exhaust work. it ran a 13.9 @ 101 in the 1/4 so it was definitely quick, but it didn't take long before my forester felt faster.

also, there is no meaningful weight difference between the wrx and GTI. another factor is the 6 speed transmission in your gti with shorter ratios than the 5 speed in your wrx. one thing that won't change, though, is how much better the interior of your GTI is. i still miss the interior of my MKIV, doesn't compare to the subie, but my subaru does absolutely everything else better, so who cares.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:24 PM   #13
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I don't know how you can judge a your car when it doesn't even have 130 miles on it yet? Didn't you test drive a wrx before you purchased it? Wouldn't that give you a feeling of what it can do?
Just because it feels slow doen't mean it is slow, it just means it's smooth? I have been in a Euro edition long wheel base Mercedes that did 0-100mph in about ten seconds and it felt slow, but it wasn't.
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the OP isn't going crazy. a reflashed mkV gti can move pretty well, especially in the mid range punch area. it is likely spiking more than 300 ft/lbs of TQ which will give you that quick whiplash sensation.
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08-TDO4
09-VF52
Big difference, VF52 is VF39 sized.
I run a VF39 in my 08 (yes, it can be done without a fmic) and I put down 291hp/315tq on a very conservative road dyno. 09 is capable of the same.
I fear no reflashed GTI.
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Old 05-06-2009, 11:46 PM   #16
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Just because it feels slow doen't mean it is slow, it just means it's smooth? I have been in a Euro edition long wheel base Mercedes that did 0-100mph in about ten seconds and it felt slow, but it wasn't.
Very true.
I have been in a brand new M5 and a brand new RS4.
Both felt kind of slow. The speed was rising like crazy but they didnt feel that fast.
Probably because of how smooth and linear the power delivery is.
I have also been in a 2004 E55 AMG.
That DID NOT feel slow.
More like "OMGGGG I have wet myselfff" fast haha.
Forced induction ftw
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Old 05-07-2009, 04:30 AM   #17
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Give it some time, You can even tell a noticable difference just flashing stage 1.
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Old 05-07-2009, 04:44 AM   #18
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they should be pretty close... the wrx might feel slower but should be a bit faster in the 1/4 mile because of AWD. Of coarse that comparing stock WRX to Stage 1 GTI. A friend of mine ran 13.8 in stage 1 GTI.
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Old 05-07-2009, 09:05 AM   #19
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I had a similar experience OP. My other car was a B5 Audi A4 1.8T. When i got the APR stage 1 flash the difference felt like a completely new car. The small turbo kicks in fast then dies top end giving you a false sensation of being fast.
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every car feels different. the speed 6 feels MUCH faster than the wrx, BUT, its not.
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Old 03-21-2010, 03:02 AM   #21
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I can't say much for your GTI, but I can say my MKIV 1.8T felt faster than cars with twice the horsepower and was slower than anything actually designed to be a quick car. Even with intake, exhaust, 3-bar FPR and a chip, it still wasn't fast in Real Life(TM), however it felt like it was going to warp from the driver's seat.

Part of the buying decision in the WRX was the ease with which they'd prance away from my dub from a stop, and the horror of having them pull away easily from a roll at anything over 40 mph.

FWIW, the roomie's 2009 WRX felt horrid on purchase day but has gotten a lot better over the last 5000 miles. It's still very linear in power delivery, but that is just a component of a larger turbo and different final drive.

The Buttdyno is the worst type of dyno.
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I've driven a Stage I GTI and now drive a 2009 WRX.

I can understand how the Stage I GTI might FEEL faster, but the WRX is definitely the faster vehicle. The GTI just hits you at lower RPMS, so the feeling of speed building up comes on much sooner and more immediately, but when the WRX gets going, you're definitely gone.
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All my friends have the stage 1 flash on their gti's with bolt on's. I was faster then all of them with just a tbe. The turbo lag they have makes them feel faster because its a very exponential power hit unlike subaru's that feels more linear.
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From a roll the GTI is probably a little faster, a stock WRX is NOT a fast car from a roll. Even the 09.

Its got a lot more parasitic loss through the drivetrain, I would bet that the stage 1GTI puts a good 20-30whp more down to the ground.

Off the line though, that GTI will have traction problems.

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