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Old 02-28-2018, 02:29 PM   #51
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Most of you probably haven’t owned minivans. My first vehicle as a teenager was a Dodge Caravan. Aside from
always being the driver for friends, that car saw more utility than any of my friends’ trucks.

I say this because at the end of the day, you can leave **** inside the minivan. We’d load up the jet skis the night before going to the lake (Two Kawasaki 650’s fit inside with the hatch shut). The low bumper height was great for unloading heavy stuff.
Sofas slid right in when we moved. No need to strap stuff down or worry if it would be raining.

I don’t have one anymore, but still drive a hatchback because I prefer everything be inside the car. On vacation I rent one so the luggage and surfboards can easily be loaded and have room for passengers.

Modern day trucks are plush, but I’d still prefer a box-on-wheels vs a truck bed.

(But minivans are for soccer moms.)
Actually the best car I had pre-college graduation was a chevy astro. That thing did everything. And was even tall enough to remove the seats and transport my old CBR using the seat mounting points.

It always seems that they have so many features I would never use that they're too expensive. Again, i think used. The only people who took care of their t&c are the people who bought the loaded one and now want too much money from you.

Oh, and I love me a good soccer mom with tons of available passenger area...
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:46 PM   #52
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It took 10 months for that seller to realize parking that thing and filling up the gas tank suuuux. lol
J/K
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:18 PM   #53
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It took 10 months for that seller to realize parking that thing and filling up the gas tank suuuux. lol
J/K
If so he really made a bad choice with a new Raptor, lol.
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Old 02-28-2018, 03:35 PM   #54
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He needed to hard park harder...Raptor.
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Old 02-28-2018, 04:08 PM   #55
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not for payload though - stone, sand, wood (not talking about dimensional lumber here).
We loaded that thing to the bump stops on multiple occasions. in ultimate capacity, it couldn't match a truck, but then again, for $20, we can rent a full-size that can be driven without mercy, guilt or empathy.

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Let's put it another way - if I'm hauling "inside use" stuff or things i can strap to the roof, a van or minivan works, but if I'm hauling "outside use" stuff aka. stuff I don't want in my interior, the truck wins.
Line the interior with blue tarps, like we did, and go to town with the dirty stuff!

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A 4 door pickup is kinda the "all rounder" can be used as a truck, family vehicle, or spray the bed out and throw a locking cap on it and bam, it's weatherproof cargo space.
How much does a brand new locking cap cost? Minivans come with those (cargo area roofs) as standard.

I love me some minivans....
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:22 PM   #56
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Drive a minivan in the snow. You wonít love it so much anymore
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Old 03-01-2018, 11:01 AM   #57
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Yes you will.
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Old 03-01-2018, 12:58 PM   #58
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And also, another important point is crash standards. A unibody is much safer in a high speed collision than a truck frame. The large full size truck is a false sense of security due to itsí size. An old man here had a mild seizure and crashed into an embankment, and died in his full size pickup. LEO had seen same exact location and speed in a car and the driver and occupant lived.

These trucks are in vogue again due to gasoline price but as we all know oil barrel pricing is always volatile. The crying Iíve heard at every job Iíve ever had when gas gets expensive is priceless. With better mpgís these days hopefully the crying will subside some when the next time occurs. I would like to see annual registrations with the state reapportioned based on weight. If you want to drive something that weighs twice as much as what I drive then have some personal responsibility and pay for the privilege. Our roads, outside of the expensive toll roads are crap here. Between industrial, corporate, work trucks, and peopleís personal vehicles it doesnít take much to figure out why. Same said vehicles keep high demand on oil as well.
Funny thing is an exchange student was saying the same thing the other day when he was wondering why there where so many suvs and trucks on the road
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Old 03-01-2018, 02:01 PM   #59
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granted a fullsized pick up may not fair well against concrete embankment, but it positively destroy any car it hits. So the security is not imagined or fake. At some point all the crash zones in your corolla will not save you if 6500 lbs of chevy Tahoe hits you.
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I believe the F150 does quite well in crash tests and is an IHSS top safety pick.
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I hauled all kinds of "indoor" and "outdoor" stuff in my Dad's Grand Caravan AWD. I had all kinds of large furniture, appliances, firewood, sod, bushes, pavers, go-kart. If it got too heavy, I just made two or three trips. On those rare occasions that I needed more capability, hooked up a small to medium sized trailer or had whatever delivered. I wasn't towing anything major to warrant a full size truck. And handled the snow perfectly and many 6-7 passenger trips and luggage with comfort. It didn't handle like a sports car but boy did it do a lot. I don't think I appreciated a vehicle's versatility than that minivan.
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Check out my post from the last page: "AWD Sienna XLE limited to convert into a ski-camper."
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I had a 2012 town and country, loved it. Winter came, hated it. That thing was terrible in the winter. Went and got a forester. Now wife wants to get rid of the forester for the ascent due to space of course
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Started my search for a truck. Looking at the 2.7l f150 xlt supercrew. What do you guys think would be a good price out the door? I love my wrx but itís just not practical right now. Time to part ways
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Less than invoice.
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Started my search for a truck. Looking at the 2.7l f150 xlt supercrew. What do you guys think would be a good price out the door? I love my wrx but itís just not practical right now. Time to part ways
Trucks are not practical, ever. Ford should be paying you to offload that steaming pile of slag.
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My truck is the most practical vehicle ever for me. After countless vehicles and 9 subarus. Whats good for the goose as they say...

Id even say I enjoy it even more than my WRX, just in different ways and different amounts.
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Started my search for a truck. Looking at the 2.7l f150 xlt supercrew. What do you guys think would be a good price out the door? I love my wrx but itís just not practical right now. Time to part ways
That depends heavily on options, but high-$30ks to around $40k even, before ttl.

After negotiation, my XLT 4x4 was $43k before TTL with the 3.5TT, Max Tow package, sport package, electronic locking rear differential and trailer back-up assist.

It's super practical and super comfortable. I was cross shopping all kinds of cars (911, 4Runner, Mustangs, used trucks, etc.) and couldn't be happier with my choice to pick up this truck, it really is the complete package and such a value for the money.
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Started my search for a truck. Looking at the 2.7l f150 xlt supercrew. What do you guys think would be a good price out the door? I love my wrx but itís just not practical right now. Time to part ways
I bought my 2017 2.lt ecoboost new. Itís the supercrew cab, short bed, 302a, floor console, sport package, trailer package. Mine is only 2wd as I didnít see a need for 4wd in San Diego. I think I paid $32.5k after discounts and incentives.


FYI, try to haggle in the price of rubber floor mats and definitely try to haggle in the cost of having your seats redone with cat skinz leather. They met me half way on the cat skinz leather and it is damn nice. Way better material than oem leather and it looks ****ing great. I can send you pics if you want. Itís wrll worth it.
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Yeah my wife had the katzkin done on her forester. I agree, well worth it. I live in ny so I need 4x4. Otherwise, Iím not looking for any other options really. The xl is just too stripped down thatís why Iím going with xlt. I need the super crew because three kids in tow. Iím going with the 2.7l because itís my commuter as well and Iím not going to be hauling/towing much. I really appreciate the help. Btw, what is invoice for what Iím looking for?
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Yeah my wife had the katzkin done on her forester. I agree, well worth it. I live in ny so I need 4x4. Otherwise, I’m not looking for any other options really. The xl is just too stripped down that’s why I’m going with xlt. I need the super crew because three kids in tow. I’m going with the 2.7l because it’s my commuter as well and I’m not going to be hauling/towing much. I really appreciate the help. Btw, what is invoice for what I’m looking for?
Probably $48-50k but I think you could snag one for around $38-$40k. Have you looked at an stx?
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Just got a quote of $37100 for a xlt crew cab 2.7l 4x4. Only addon was running boards. Thatís before tax, title, registration. Sounds pretty good. I havenít looked at an stx. Whatís the difference? Donít know if I should sell or trade in my 2015 wrx. Iím still financing it.

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Just got a quote of $37100 for a xlt crew cab 2.7l 4x4. Only addon was running boards. That’s before tax, title, registration. Sounds pretty good. I haven’t looked at an stx. What’s the difference? Don’t know if I should sell or trade in my 2015 wrx. I’m still financing it.
An STX is basically an XL with an appearance package. I’d go with the XLT, but you should see what options your particular XLT has over the STX before making the call. For example, I don’t think you can get the sliding rear window on an XL/STX. Does your quoted XLT have the 302A option group?
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An STX is basically an XL with an appearance package. Iíd go with the XLT, but you should see what options your particular XLT has over the STX before making the call. For example, I donít think you can get the sliding rear window on an XL/STX. Does your quoted XLT have the 302A option group?


The xlt was just that, the 300a package. I just looked up the stx, digging the 8"screen. Wonder what the price difference would be.
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