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Old 02-12-2019, 12:59 AM   #51
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At least Doll didn’t try to define a segment.
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Performance is more defined in the low-volume segment.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:04 AM   #53
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:50 AM   #54
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That makes zero sense to me. They want to wait until their stock wanes before they'd invest more time and money into a turbo model?

If anything it makes more sense to sell a higher trim, premium model while sales are high, because you're more guaranteed to sell them.

We can't get enough of the current offerings. Now you want them to take up capacity making something more expensive that won't move as much? Making us wait longer for a car someone actually wants? That's the thought process.


Now, I think it is worth a try; but, it's very rare I hear any talk about the power of the Crosstrek. If someone opts for something else, it is always size that is the reason. Not the power. The only power complaints I see/hear are from magazines and here. I think it would be cool to have another option. Was just talking with someone last night about waaay long ago when the Impreza actually had 3 options for a blink. Until Subaru can get their act together, I don't think they'll complicate their inventory complexity too much more.
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:32 PM   #55
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We can't get enough of the current offerings. Now you want them to take up capacity making something more expensive that won't move as much? Making us wait longer for a car someone actually wants? That's the thought process.


Now, I think it is worth a try; but, it's very rare I hear any talk about the power of the Crosstrek. If someone opts for something else, it is always size that is the reason. Not the power. The only power complaints I see/hear are from magazines and here. I think it would be cool to have another option. Was just talking with someone last night about waaay long ago when the Impreza actually had 3 options for a blink. Until Subaru can get their act together, I don't think they'll complicate their inventory complexity too much more.
Their capacity isn't the problem with that idea. It's good that they're at capacity. That means they're selling. My problem is that if they AREN'T at capacity, then that's indicative of a larger issue that a turbo Crosstrek won't solve.

I know there's been a discussion of whether Subaru should build more cars or sell what they have at a higher price. I think competition is catching up with them a little, or Subaru is falling behind with their offerings, and they should just stay where they're at unless they're ready for some radical changes. They're overly conservative though.

I thought Subaru was planning on putting a turbo in all their cars in the near future? Why does the FB20 exist when the FB25 makes more power and pretty much the same gas mileage? Where's the FB16DIT?

For what these cars are in general, yes, they don't need more power. But more power would make them more useful and they'd sell more guaranteed. I've driven a few NA Subies around the country and a turbo Outback. Zero complaints about the OBXT driving from east coast to Alaska. More complaints about the BRZ and Crosstrek. 17 Impreza seems to handle it well enough that we're doing another x-country road trip in May/June. Power isn't everything, but it's definitely a factor.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:43 PM   #56
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We can't get enough of the current offerings. Now you want them to take up capacity making something more expensive that won't move as much? Making us wait longer for a car someone actually wants? That's the thought process.


Now, I think it is worth a try; but, it's very rare I hear any talk about the power of the Crosstrek. If someone opts for something else, it is always size that is the reason. Not the power. The only power complaints I see/hear are from magazines and here. I think it would be cool to have another option. Was just talking with someone last night about waaay long ago when the Impreza actually had 3 options for a blink. Until Subaru can get their act together, I don't think they'll complicate their inventory complexity too much more.
Well, you're hearing it from me now. I bought the Civic Sport 2 years ago cause the power on the Crosstrek and Impreza hatch sucked. One ride in the Civic and the torque sold me.

I don't know that people who want power are going to go try a Crosstrek knowing it has 152 hp. They probably won't bother.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:58 PM   #57
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Well, you're hearing it from me now. I bought the Civic Sport 2 years ago cause the power on the Crosstrek and Impreza hatch sucked. One ride in the Civic and the torque sold me.

I don't know that people who want power are going to go try a Crosstrek knowing it has 152 hp. They probably won't bother.
That's actually most likely the case of why I don't hear it. Those that it would bother simply don't try it knowing. But, what are they getting then? Are they going elsewhere or are they getting a Forester? I certainly don't hear "I really wanted a Crosstrek; but......" from those customers.
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We are looking for a new car for my wife. She wants something that can do light off roading for camping. I had a WRX back in 02 and remembered the outback being a good choice. Looking at them now they have really changed. I like the older ones, now everything is CVT and 4-cyl.
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We are looking for a new car for my wife. She wants something that can do light off roading for camping. I had a WRX back in 02 and remembered the outback being a good choice. Looking at them now they have really changed. I like the older ones, now everything is CVT and 4-cyl.
Toyota 4-runner, Ford explorer, Honda pilot; you know what, I'm not going to go through the entire list of available CUVs & SUVs that would foot the bill - pick a manufacturer, go to their website, and pick a mid-sized CUV. Most have at least an NA V6 & AWD available, if not better (explorer = 3.5L ecoboost).

Brand loyalty is moronic.

and the 2002-era LEGACY outback is roughly the same size as the current XV crosstrek; obviously the XV has less cargo room (hatch vs. wagon) but the wheelbase is pretty similar, since the impreza gets a bit bigger each generation, and is about the same size as that era legacy.

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Who wants to put dirty camping equipment inside their car, buy a truck like a normal clean person.
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That's actually most likely the case of why I don't hear it. Those that it would bother simply don't try it knowing. But, what are they getting then? Are they going elsewhere or are they getting a Forester? I certainly don't hear "I really wanted a Crosstrek; but......" from those customers.
Crosstrek is too slow so they get a Forester? Yeah, you’re not gonna see that either. I know Subaru thinks they’re doing so well they can neglect certain loyal customers, and replace them with more numerous trend followers, but it may bite them in the ass eventually.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:47 PM   #63
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Crosstrek is too slow so they get a Forester? Yeah, you’re not gonna see that either. I know Subaru thinks they’re doing so well they can neglect certain loyal customers, and replace them with more numerous trend followers, but it may bite them in the ass eventually.
Subaru is always neglecting "loyal" customers. I don't get a Baja. Or a Justy. Now, it's wagons and sporty versions of some models. The only complaint I take even remotely seriously is the sedan/hatch WRX/STI. Everything else I blame these "loyal" customers for not continuing to get these models that are dying off. Hence why they die off. "Subaru doesn't listen to their customers"..........I say they do and the proof is in the pudding. Go look at their sales alllllllll the way up to 2008. Pretty standard ups and downs. Some nice ups. Some crappy downs. THEN, they listened to customers saying their cars were too small. Bad MPG. What did they do? Designed cars for those complaints. What has happened since? 20th largest manufacturer in the states to the 7th. Be pissy all you want(I am in there as well); but, "loyal" customers were listened to. Proof being that Subaru is also still tops in "Loyal Customer Retention". It is what it is.



Heck. I don't pay attention to other makes to complain why certain models are not available; but, why can't I get a Sedan Focus RS? Hell. Give it a couple years and why can't I get a FOCUS!?!?!? I am positive Subaru isn't alone in "screwing" loyal customers.
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