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Old 06-08-2018, 06:57 PM   #1
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.autog...?source=imagesthe new legacy has been spotted in detroit, it has 2 exhausts so it is possibly the new turbo engine under there
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Old 06-08-2018, 07:00 PM   #2
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That's real good camo - I thought it was a 6 banger charger for a minute instead of an awd camry
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Old 06-08-2018, 07:04 PM   #3
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The driver side mirror seems to high luster silver peeking out, possible sport trim.
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Old 06-08-2018, 07:07 PM   #4
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That's real good camo - I thought it was a 6 banger charger for a minute instead of an awd camry
that is not a camry or a charger, you can clearly tell its a subaru. The LED headlights look similar to version on the new forester.
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Old 06-08-2018, 08:52 PM   #5
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WTH is Subaru attempting to do with that? Everyone else is abandoning the segment and Subaru develops some more tall and narrow meh with trunk. Are sales of the current car in the current market that promising? SGP and turbo ain't bringing the kids back to the yard. Perhaps that massive dying generation of 80 year olds will think it's an Oldsmobile? Last ditch purchase before being forced into a home. I can see the ad campaign now...
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:14 PM   #6
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So there will be no New SGP WRX for MY 2020. Optimistic people predicted MY2020 for New SGP WRX But leaning towards 2020 SGP legacy and Outback then MY 2021 SGP WRX and BRZ.
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:38 PM   #7
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WTH is Subaru attempting to do with that?...
Likely dumping the 3.6R in favor of the new FA24DIT, unless they simply plan to put the FA20DIT in there.

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So there will be no New SGP WRX for MY 2020. Optimistic people predicted MY2020 for New SGP WRX But leaning towards 2020 SGP legacy and Outback then MY 2021 SGP WRX and BRZ.
Agree. I doubt they would bring then rest of the model line on SGP in one year.
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Old 06-08-2018, 10:39 PM   #8
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WTH is Subaru attempting to do with that? Everyone else is abandoning the segment and Subaru develops some more tall and narrow meh with trunk. Are sales of the current car in the current market that promising? SGP and turbo ain't bringing the kids back to the yard. Perhaps that massive dying generation of 80 year olds will think it's an Oldsmobile? Last ditch purchase before being forced into a home. I can see the ad campaign now...
reminiscent of subaru and wagons...
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Old 06-08-2018, 10:39 PM   #9
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WTH is Subaru attempting to do with that? Everyone else is abandoning the segment and Subaru develops some more tall and narrow meh with trunk. Are sales of the current car in the current market that promising? SGP and turbo ain't bringing the kids back to the yard. Perhaps that massive dying generation of 80 year olds will think it's an Oldsmobile? Last ditch purchase before being forced into a home. I can see the ad campaign now...
The Legacy has fallen to almost WRX/STI sales numbers. It's downright awful for a generic "family" car, I really don't know how they make money on them when they sell so few of them. Even if the majority of the tooling is for the Outback which actually does sell, I still don't see how engineering a sedan out of it is even worth it.
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WTH is Subaru attempting to do with that? Everyone else is abandoning the segment and Subaru develops some more tall and narrow meh with trunk. Are sales of the current car in the current market that promising? SGP and turbo ain't bringing the kids back to the yard. Perhaps that massive dying generation of 80 year olds will think it's an Oldsmobile? Last ditch purchase before being forced into a home. I can see the ad campaign now...
Narrow? SGP is extra wide!

And while the A pillar roofline does seem tall, I think if you flip through the pics you’ll see that the camo is disrupting the visual flow of the C pillar, making a typically airy Subaru greenhouse look more awkward than normal.

Reminds me of new Accord greenhouse.

My two cents, anyway.

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Old 06-08-2018, 10:56 PM   #11
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reminiscent of subaru and wagons...
Just waiting for the pivot from SOA... performance is more defined in the SUV segment now.

(Mostly sarcastic.)
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:08 PM   #12
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could be. Things change in 10 years.
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Old 06-08-2018, 11:13 PM   #13
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True, true.
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The Legacy has fallen to almost WRX/STI sales numbers. It's downright awful for a generic "family" car, I really don't know how they make money on them when they sell so few of them. Even if the majority of the tooling is for the Outback which actually does sell, I still don't see how engineering a sedan out of it is even worth it.

How much engineering is there for the Legacy? They are developing it for the Outback already. Soooo many shared parts. Might as well so it is there just in case. And now that it's on the SGP......
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Old 06-09-2018, 01:24 AM   #15
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How much engineering is there for the Legacy? They are developing it for the Outback already. Soooo many shared parts. Might as well so it is there just in case. And now that it's on the SGP......
I'd imagine quite a bit, even if the underpinnings are the same. It will have exclusive parts for everything behind the 2nd doors. That's designing both the car, the robots, the supply chain logistics, and everything in between. Seems like a relatively large investment for something that is barely breaking into 3000 units a month, or 1/10th of what the Accord (best seller) sells. Even the ancient Dodge Charger sells more which has underpinnings from a 1990s Benz.

If they wanted an extra family style car in their lineup, they would be better off just bringing back the Legacy wagon. That would be incredibly cheap since it just involves lowering and removing the cladding from the Outback.

Unless they are planning to revolutionize the market and say that "sport utility is defined in the sedan segment" and bring back this beast alongside the new Legacy sedan...
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Old 06-09-2018, 01:45 AM   #16
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Narrow? SGP is extra wide!

And while the A pillar roofline does seem tall, I think if you flip through the pics you’ll see that the camo is disrupting the visual flow of the C pillar, making a typically airy Subaru greenhouse look more awkward than normal.

Reminds me of new Accord greenhouse.

My two cents, anyway.




I can see that. But the Accord isn't doing too hot. Compared to the Legacy it's doing ok, but we'll see how the Accord is faring this time next year when the Legacy is set to drop...
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There isn't much difference in sedans with the competition. Only AWD makes the Legacy stand out. And Subaru will have to keep upping their game with safety. I think the Legacy's biggest competition will be the Impreza, as you can also get that in a hatch. Price points are very important with these cars.
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Old 06-09-2018, 01:08 PM   #18
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So there will be no New SGP WRX for MY 2020. Optimistic people predicted MY2020 for New SGP WRX But leaning towards 2020 SGP legacy and Outback then MY 2021 SGP WRX and BRZ.
In our last meeting on the Ascent, they talked about future product, and the timing is indeed 2021 for SGP WRX.
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I'd imagine quite a bit, even if the underpinnings are the same. It will have exclusive parts for everything behind the 2nd doors. That's designing both the car, the robots, the supply chain logistics, and everything in between. Seems like a relatively large investment for something that is barely breaking into 3000 units a month, or 1/10th of what the Accord (best seller) sells. Even the ancient Dodge Charger sells more which has underpinnings from a 1990s Benz.

If they wanted an extra family style car in their lineup, they would be better off just bringing back the Legacy wagon. That would be incredibly cheap since it just involves lowering and removing the cladding from the Outback.

Unless they are planning to revolutionize the market and say that "sport utility is defined in the sedan segment" and bring back this beast alongside the new Legacy sedan...

Legacy wagon would be a huge mistake. At least with the sedan you are giving the customer something different. Why would you get a low wagon over the Outback? THAT'S why the wagon died. Sliding into the car is far nicer than falling down in or climbing out of the car.

Now, it would be interesting if an Outback sedan would do better than a Legacy.
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Old 06-09-2018, 02:19 PM   #20
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the timing is indeed 2021 for SGP WRX.
That sounds like them to milk what they can as long as they can. New platform still over 2 years away.
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That sounds like them to milk what they can as long as they can. New platform still over 2 years away.
I'm guessing that's MY and puts it on a 6 year cycle. Last one was 7. Only thing I see wrong with this one is the EJ and hatch.

They are milking it for sure; but, answer this. If you are still able to get the "milk", why not? Or you would just stop it altogether? Sounds like a Ford/VW thing to do.... Sorry. Had to.
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Old 06-09-2018, 02:42 PM   #22
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Where's my 2020 Focus RS or ST?!
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How much engineering is there for the Legacy? They are developing it for the Outback already. Soooo many shared parts. Might as well so it is there just in case. And now that it's on the SGP......
Cough Levorg Cough Cough
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Cough Levorg Cough Cough
Wagon......HOWEVER!,

That recent article about the next gen Levorg sounds a bit interesting. Maybe they are finally planning on bringing it here?
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Levorg could cover loss of Legacy sedan and 5-door WRX. And Forester XT. Still needs a manual though.
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