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Old 06-09-2018, 08:15 PM   #26
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I may be in the minority, but having owned the Impreza, I would opt for the Legacy over it in the future.

I still see a fair number of Legacies around here in MA
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Old 06-10-2018, 12:31 AM   #27
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The Legacy has fallen to almost WRX/STI sales numbers. It's downright awful for a generic "family" car, I really don't know how they make money on them when they sell so few of them. Even if the majority of the tooling is for the Outback which actually does sell, I still don't see how engineering a sedan out of it is even worth it.

Despite the low sales number, it still is selling about what the previous 5th generation sold and which is far more than 1st through 4th generations which sold under 30k units. Their are plenty of cars selling 40k units, I am sure Subaru can make a profit on that many vehicles especially on that has some shared development costs.
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Old 06-10-2018, 01:32 AM   #28
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I may be in the minority, but having owned the Impreza, I would opt for the Legacy over it in the future.

I still see a fair number of Legacies around here in MA
Sedan vs sedan, hell yes. Impreza can suck it.

5-door vs 5-door... Oh, wait.
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Old 06-10-2018, 10:03 AM   #29
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I may be in the minority, but having owned the Impreza, I would opt for the Legacy over it in the future.

I still see a fair number of Legacies around here in MA
You've owned the current gen Impreza? comparing Imprezas of old to the corresponding Legacy, sure. Current Impreza is a different discussion.
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Old 06-10-2018, 01:55 PM   #30
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I'm guessing that's MY and puts it on a 6 year cycle. Last one was 7. Only thing I see wrong with this one is the EJ and hatch.

They are milking it for sure; but, answer this. If you are still able to get the "milk", why not? Or you would just stop it altogether? Sounds like a Ford/VW thing to do.... Sorry. Had to.
The RS has always been a limited run. Mk1, Mk2, or Mk3. Your non-Booby knowledge is pretty chit.

And youíre not real bright, you can rag on Ford all you like, Iím not gonna defend them. Iím not like you. I donít worship consumer products or manufacturers. There isnít a manufacturer of anything on this Earth that cares about me or pays my bills. Worshiping automobile manufacturers like they are a deity, is your thing, definitely not mine. Iíve got 4 different brands in my garage. You have one.
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Old 06-10-2018, 02:43 PM   #31
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The RS has always been a limited run. Mk1, Mk2, or Mk3. Your non-Booby knowledge is pretty chit.

And youíre not real bright, you can rag on Ford all you like, Iím not gonna defend them. Iím not like you. I donít worship consumer products or manufacturers. There isnít a manufacturer of anything on this Earth that cares about me or pays my bills. Worshiping automobile manufacturers like they are a deity, is your thing, definitely not mine. Iíve got 4 different brands in my garage. You have one.


OMG!!!!!!!!

It was a JOKE dude.....
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Old 06-10-2018, 03:06 PM   #32
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:33 AM   #33
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You've owned the current gen Impreza? comparing Imprezas of old to the corresponding Legacy, sure. Current Impreza is a different discussion.


Iíve driven in the new Crosstrek, own the previous gen Impreza. When the Legacy gets the DI engine and on the new platform, for me it would be a no brainer. Iíd imagine my car with the tune is on par with the new Impreza/Crosstrek in terms of performance.

My Impreza has so poisoned me that I would never consider buying one ever again.
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Old 06-11-2018, 09:51 AM   #34
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To keep up with the sedan segment, the Legacy needs more power. Top-end Accords and Camrys are pushing 300hp now...

I would be shocked if it didn't have the 2.4T.

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Old 06-11-2018, 10:17 AM   #35
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To keep up with the sedan segment, the Legacy needs more power. Top-end Accords and Camrys are pushing 300hp now...

I would be shocked if it didn't have the 2.4T.

--kC
if a 2.5DI is going to be the base engine, it should be in between or on par with the accord, camry, and mazda 6. The power in the 2.4dit should be good enough for the secondary engine. The power would be good enough to be on par with the accord turbo and mazda 6 turbo. Not so sure about the camry and maxima v6 though
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OMG!!!!!!!!

It was a JOKE dude.....
Sure, backpedal
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To keep up with the sedan segment, the Legacy needs more power. Top-end Accords and Camrys are pushing 300hp now...

I would be shocked if it didn't have the 2.4T.

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I was shocked the engine upgrade in Forester was discontinued, and Forester vastly outsells Legacy.
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:32 AM   #38
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Subaru better step up their game on exterior cosmetics. The new accords and camrys look great....
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Old 06-11-2018, 11:37 AM   #39
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if a 2.5DI is going to be the base engine, it should be in between or on par with the accord, camry, and mazda 6. The power in the 2.4dit should be good enough for the secondary engine. The power would be good enough to be on par with the accord turbo and mazda 6 turbo. Not so sure about the camry and maxima v6 though
Legacy vs competition

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Old 06-11-2018, 12:51 PM   #40
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What are the 0-60 times? The Legacy is over 10 seconds. The HP numbers on paper don't always tell the whole story. While, some will argue that the 0-60 times don't either. To each his own.

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Legacy vs competition

Misleading list is misleading. That's only comparing the Legacy (only one engine available), to the competition equipped with similar hp engines (which are mostly smaller and more efficient too).

The highest HP Legacy is listed.

The highest Camry has 301hp, 267tq.
The highest Accord has 252hp (down from 278) and 273tq (up from 252).
Altima 278hp
Sonata 245hp
Fusion 325hp
Malibu 250hp

Subaru: We'll give you a decent interior, dynamics and safety, but not power. Nope. Becuase, heavy is good, right?

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What are the 0-60 times? The Legacy is over 10 seconds.
The 2.5i Legacy is 9 seconds.

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Misleading list is misleading. That's only comparing the Legacy (only one engine available), to the competition equipped with similar hp engines (which are mostly smaller and more efficient too).
The Legacy is still available with the 3.6R.
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Misleading list is misleading. That's only comparing the Legacy (only one engine available), to the competition equipped with similar hp engines (which are mostly smaller and more efficient too).
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Sedans sold with optional engines is less than 10%.
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Legacy vs competition

they have not revealed the base legacy horsepower yet. Just because the forester gets 182hp does not mean the legacy will be the same. We also dont know if the legacy will be naturally aspirated or forced induction. We wont know that until early next year.
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Sure, backpedal


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..... Sorry. Had to.

And I'm the one that's "not real bright"?


And you still didn't answer the question in that post.


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Subaru better step up their game on exterior cosmetics. The new accords and camrys look great....

Fully agree. Legacy is fine. I personally think they took a step back with the current one on looks. I do like the Camry's and Accords. Particularly the Camry.
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The 2.5i Legacy is 9 seconds.



The Legacy is still available with the 3.6R.
Fudge. Forgot they still had it. :moot:

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Old 06-12-2018, 12:26 PM   #47
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if a 2.5DI is going to be the base engine, it should be in between or on par with the accord, camry, and mazda 6. The power in the 2.4dit should be good enough for the secondary engine. The power would be good enough to be on par with the accord turbo and mazda 6 turbo. Not so sure about the camry and maxima v6 though
I'm betting a touch more than the 19 Forester for the base 182-190 range and the 2.4 or 2.0 within the 250-260
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I'm betting a touch more than the 19 Forester for the base 182-190 range and the 2.4 or 2.0 within the 250-260
i agree. The camouflage is showing an early prototype in the thick cladding. I hope they catch one with the black and white thinner camo. Will we see an artists rendering of the legacy soon. And where are the wrx spy shots from japan. 250hp-260hp is one thing, but i wonder what the torque numbers will be.
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Old 06-13-2018, 05:35 PM   #49
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I was shocked the engine upgrade in Forester was discontinued, and Forester vastly outsells Legacy.
Much of the Forester's competition doesn't have an engine upgrade though. If you look at the top 4 sellers in the segment (Rogue, RAV4, Equinox, and CRV), only one (Equinox) has an upgrade option. So in that segment, I don't think it's as important of a feature. And we know the take rate on the Forester XT was pretty low.
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Strangely the mule looks almost the same like the previous legacy mule in 2015.
I hope it will be a more special design and not a boring one...like the new Forester....



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