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Old 02-11-2019, 03:56 PM   #1
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Have heard some rumblings of this through the grape vine. At this point it's strictly a concept but something Subaru is apparently testing the waters on.

Styling looks on point and should blow the Ridgeline out of the watter

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Some of us have been saying they needed to do this for the past 5-7 years. I hope it's true. The only fault with the unibody Ridgeline some have is the looks.
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the Subaru truck would have to be pretty damn outstanding if they want it to beat the ridgeline. Subaru does not have any AWD tech even close to the SHAWD of the ridgeline
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Nothing about Subaru products is outstanding. They offer standard AWD and some safety tech making it a better value than some but not all. People still buy them. Lots and lots of people. I’d rather see a mini van based on the Ascent rather than a truck, honestly.
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Nothing about Subaru products is outstanding. They offer standard AWD and some safety tech making it a better value than some but not all. People still buy them. Lots and lots of people. Iíd rather see a mini van based on the Ascent rather than a truck, honestly.
Are you basing that "value" on your own values or market values? If it is market values, I'm curious to which ones are better than Subaru.
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4S turbo is right.

Subaru is coasting right now on fair unoffensive products that appeal to middle of the road folks. Nothing is exciting or desirable really. I hate to admit that. Our legacy limited is decent in almost every way. Would a camry or accord be better? ABSOLUTELY, but my wife wanted a legacy as she loved my Legacy GT I had before. I tried to explain to her that the Subaru that made that Legacy GT is LONG DEAD. But she told me to go out and get her a legacy.

My wife hates driving so buying her a subaru was the perfect car.
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Most people today aren't driven by their passions, so Subaru is doing well to tread on the middle ground where most people can be found. Once you go for the passionate crowd, you're subject to their whim. It's fleeting and fickle, and not financially sound. Look how often enthusiasts trade in their vehicles, myself included.

A Subaru truck isn't as needed as a Subaru van.
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Are you basing that "value" on your own values or market values? If it is market values, I'm curious to which ones are better than Subaru.
Are you being serious? Market doesnít overwhelmingly value AWD. If it did Accord and Camry Civic and Corolla and everything in between would at least offer AWD as an option. Subaruís sales across their lineup has stagnated or fallen. When Subaru starts outselling the big boys you can tout Subaru as meeting what the market values. They are still a small fish selling in weather sensitive pockets around the country.
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Are you being serious? Market doesnít overwhelmingly value AWD. If it did Accord and Camry Civic and Corolla and everything in between would at least offer AWD as an option. Subaruís sales across their lineup has stagnated or fallen. When Subaru starts outselling the big boys you can tout Subaru as meeting what the market values. They are still a small fish selling in weather sensitive pockets around the country.
You need to stop putting things in perspective around here. That's not good for the morale of our Subaru troops.
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You need to stop putting things in perspective around here. That's not good for the morale of our Subaru troops.
Itís so ironic I need to point that out, because I DO value AWD and most definitely argue the value of basically every Subaru model compared to those manus who do attempt AWD in car based platforms in basically every thread. I shouldnít need to speak the obvious though. Especially to someone in the business.
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Are you being serious? Market doesn’t overwhelmingly value AWD. If it did Accord and Camry Civic and Corolla and everything in between would at least offer AWD as an option. Subaru’s sales across their lineup has stagnated or fallen. When Subaru starts outselling the big boys you can tout Subaru as meeting what the market values. They are still a small fish selling in weather sensitive pockets around the country.
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It’s so ironic I need to point that out, because I DO value AWD and most definitely argue the value of basically every Subaru model compared to those manus who do attempt AWD in car based platforms in basically every thread. I shouldn’t need to speak the obvious though. Especially to someone in the business.


Who said anything about AWD? I certainly didn't. Now, it does come into play in the value equation; but, I thought I was clear in my question about what you are talking about in "value"? Subaru has the best resale "value". Been awarded that, what, the last 4 years? Subaru can be beat in nearly every metric individually by one manufacturer or another; but, tell me any one vehicle that gives you EVERYTHING a Subaru does for the price Subaru offers it......




And I say this with just taking a look at a brand new AWD Altima 10 minutes prior.



Not that I even remotely put an Altima in the same category.
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4S turbo is right.

Subaru is coasting right now on fair unoffensive products that appeal to middle of the road folks. Nothing is exciting or desirable really. I hate to admit that. Our legacy limited is decent in almost every way. Would a camry or accord be better? ABSOLUTELY, but my wife wanted a legacy as she loved my Legacy GT I had before. I tried to explain to her that the Subaru that made that Legacy GT is LONG DEAD. But she told me to go out and get her a legacy.

My wife hates driving so buying her a subaru was the perfect car.
The new products on the SGP have a very different feel than the previous stuff. I thought my 17 Impreza was much better than the Civic I test drove . Perhaps the 1.5 Honda engine was slightly faster, but it did not handle or ride any better than the Impreza. The new Legacy XT touring should be a winner and compete with the Accord 2.0 on all fronts.
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The new products on the SGP have a very different feel than the previous stuff. I thought my 17 Impreza was much better than the Civic I test drove . Perhaps the 1.5 Honda engine was slightly faster, but it did not handle or ride any better than the Impreza. The new Legacy XT touring should be a winner and compete with the Accord 2.0 on all fronts.
I agree. Also, the FADIT engines are outstanding. Legacy XT is going to be solid. They did an incredible job with the Ascent.
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Who said anything about AWD? I certainly didn't. Now, it does come into play in the value equation; but, I thought I was clear in my question about what you are talking about in "value"? Subaru has the best resale "value". Been awarded that, what, the last 4 years? Subaru can be beat in nearly every metric individually by one manufacturer or another; but, tell me any one vehicle that gives you EVERYTHING a Subaru does for the price Subaru offers it......




And I say this with just taking a look at a brand new AWD Altima 10 minutes prior.



Not that I even remotely put an Altima in the same category.
You responded to me. Where did I say anything about used car values? I was speaking generally, Subaruís offer a good value if AWD and safety is important. Take away those two things and where is Subaru in the mix?
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[...]Perhaps the 1.5 Honda engine was slightly faster[...]
I'm not entirely discounting your experience but I would take out the words "perhaps" and "slightly" altogether.
The FB20 is not a bad engine overall, but it's just out of its depth compared to that 1.5T. It's akin to the power difference between FB25 and FB20.
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I agree. Also, the FADIT engines are outstanding. Legacy XT is going to be solid. They did an incredible job with the Ascent.
I think that, at this point, the FA20DIT is a known quantity and it's holding up pretty well.
But, IMO, Subaru telling people that FA24DIT will run fine on 87 makes me a little bit nervous.
Because, at this point, we know that an undersquare or even a square engine is much better at dealing with lower octane gas; especially when forced induction is involved. Time will tell.
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I'm not entirely discounting your experience but I would take out the words "perhaps" and "slightly" altogether.
The FB20 is not a bad engine overall, but it's just out of its depth compared to that 1.5T. It's akin to the power difference between FB25 and FB20.
My exact thought. I almost traded my '08 Civic for a '17 Impreza Sport, but could not stand how slow it was. I'd rather have a larger, more practical slow car than a smaller, "sportier" one.
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Have heard some rumblings of this through the grape vine. At this point it's strictly a concept but something Subaru is apparently testing the waters on.

Styling looks on point and should blow the Ridgeline out of the watter

https://2020suvs.com/2019-subaru-pickup-truck/
Huh, kind of makes sense for Subaru to make something like a partially off roadable pick up truck given Americans love pickup trucks.

But hardly anyone in the rural heartland knows what a Subaru is, and even Ridgeline appears to struggle winning their business. Great idea, but high probability it will be a flop. Probably better making a sportier Forester STI.
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The new products on the SGP have a very different feel than the previous stuff. I thought my 17 Impreza was much better than the Civic I test drove . Perhaps the 1.5 Honda engine was slightly faster, but it did not handle or ride any better than the Impreza. The new Legacy XT touring should be a winner and compete with the Accord 2.0 on all fronts.
My 2018 legacy is okay
Nothing amazing but okay
The 2.5i in it suffered from the Subaru 90% throttle at 10% pedal syndrome my 2016 wrx suffered from


Look nothing wrong with being average. Subaru is following the Toyota bland model of the 90a


Now this legacy XT May be okay
I will certainly test drive it but I seriously donít it will bear the Camry Trd or the accord sport
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You responded to me. Where did I say anything about used car values? I was speaking generally, Subaru’s offer a good value if AWD and safety is important. Take away those two things and where is Subaru in the mix?
And I simply asked for you to name these other cars that have more value.......and/or explain what you were meaning in "value".




.......you just said "Take away those two things......." Well.....seems you are taking away "value".
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You responded to me. Where did I say anything about used car values? I was speaking generally, Subaruís offer a good value if AWD and safety is important. Take away those two things and where is Subaru in the mix?
Porsches offer a good value if performance and driving dynamics are important. Take away those two things and where is Porsche in the mix?

I mean, you know, it really is their heart and soul.....



Imagine if you took bland and cheap away from GM......
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Before this gets out of hand, I will clarify. My comment was a response to Scrap saying Subaru would need to step up to compete with a Ridgeline. I don’t think Subaru would need to. They could offer standard AWD and price it in line with the FWD Ridgeline. Essentially what they do across their product range. It doesn’t make their products exceptional whatsoever. It makes them a better value if you have to check boxes. Which Subaru is good at. As Scrap points out, the Ridgeline’s setup may be better (let's just assume it is), but for more money a vast majority of people won’t care. The Subaru is cheaper and has AWD. This has worked for them so far, why not with a truck/Ute?
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Well put
Subaru is like Hyundia relying on decent products but at a lower price point to adds value


I love Subaru have had enough of them not to have to say that. But they really left me with. With nothing interesting to buy
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That is essentially the answer I was looking for. I ask these types of questions to understand what I didn't about other makes and to try and understand a variety of people's thought processes about how they look at cars. The more I understand, the better I can show why Subaru may be the better choice for a particular customer. Or not. I have certainly told folks that a Subaru just wasn't for them. Not often; but, it has happened.
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Do you think the Altima has something to do with Legacy sales falling? Subaru offering a truck built alongside the Ascent to compete with a Ridgeline would likely do the same to Honda.
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