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Old 02-02-2021, 09:11 PM   #26
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The interior is a lot better than last gen. Still it looks a bit too much Buick for this price.
Agreed, interior on the new M3/M4 G80/G82 looks much nicer. Same goes for the M5.
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Old 02-02-2021, 09:33 PM   #27
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Good looking cars, it's temping as kind of a Camaro with usable seats and you can see out of it.

Just wish the smaller one had some kind of LS V8 in it, instead of the SUV V6.
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Old 02-02-2021, 11:30 PM   #28
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Wow, tickle me very impressed. I wasn't really paying attention to either of these, but they really went all out on them. Handsome inside and out with all the bells and whistles one could ask for. The only thing they could have done to put two cherries on top would have been a wagon option, but hey, I'm just downright happy to see stick on both models.
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Old 02-03-2021, 09:24 AM   #29
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I'm interested to see what the curb weight comes in at; I can't seem to come across a number, only articles referencing "77 lbs more" not sure if they are referring to the ATS-V or the CT4 - either way it looks like the CT4-V blackwing will be in the 3,800-4,000lb range. Really wish someone would make light weight cars again. Still interested though, would also like to see a wagon variant which will not happen, but at this point I have to take what I can get.

Edit: found numbers here: https://www.wardsauto.com/vehicles/c...gs-take-flight
CT4-V blackwing will be 3,889lbs
CT5-V blackwing will be 4,123lbs

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Old 02-04-2021, 07:15 PM   #30
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The CT4-V is really growing on me. There's no perfect performance car for me.

Guilia QF = no manual
M2/M3 = kind of tired of BMW styling inside and out, and steering still lifeless
997.2 = interior is pretty blah for so much money
Mustang Mach 1 = so cramped

So maybe the CT4-V's engine isn't that exciting, but it does sound better in videos than the one in the ATS-V, and love that it has a manual, 4 doors and looks good inside and out.

Blue is growing on me.

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Old 02-07-2021, 02:53 PM   #31
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^If youíre looking at the 911, I think a stage 2 718 2.0 is a pretty good candidate. Everyone complains about the Subaru sound but this is NASIOC and I personally like the boxer rumble.
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Old 02-07-2021, 02:58 PM   #32
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The CT4-V is really growing on me.
That looks good - or at least it doesnít look bad, unlike a lot of other new cars.
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Old 02-07-2021, 09:01 PM   #33
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Looks good, but needs something.
Front lip spoilers, something on the hood, some hips. Make it less pedestrian and more V.

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Old 03-09-2021, 01:54 PM   #34
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Wow, these guys loved the regular CT4-V, got me thinking about the 6MT Blackwing.


6mT fun car Short list:
2021 Mustang Mach 1 $57k
2021 M2 Comp $60k
2021 Caddy CT4-V Blackwing $60k (?)
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Old 03-09-2021, 02:07 PM   #35
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Wow, these guys loved the regular CT4-V, got me thinking about the 6MT Blackwing.

UNREAL! 2021 Cadillac CT4-V Review - YouTube

6mT fun car Short list:
2021 Mustang Mach 1 $57k
2021 M2 Comp $60k
2021 Caddy CT4-V Blackwing $60k (?)
2022 Civic Type R $40k
If you don't need the extra doors.
Mustang for the noises (and surprising performance) or M2 Comp for the performance and refinement

I don't FF so the Civic is dead to me, but I have children so the CT4-V blackwing is my only option from that list .
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Old 07-28-2021, 02:04 PM   #36
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Some of the CT4 Blackwing aero details are pretty cool.

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Looks good, but needs something.
Front lip spoilers, something on the hood, some hips. Make it less pedestrian and more V.

This was a much better looking car on the outside. That exterior with the new interior would be a winner for Cadillac as I just can't get on board with the teardrop led's running out of the headlights.
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From the video on the CT4-V Blackwing: "They're very proud that it's below 4,000 pounds" I'd give it a test drive, but even though you can make a heavy car handle, you can't hide the weight; it's going to feel like a heavy car I just know it. At least it has a 3 pedal manual, and the interior looks very good for a GM product. My kids would ruin those seat backs though, why did you put alcantara there GM?
I like the electric blue, wonder what other fun colors will be available. I'd still take an NA V8 over the V6TT, but I may be in the minority here.

We're coming to the end of an era here, might be worth a purchase.

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Old 07-29-2021, 12:36 PM   #39
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Old 07-29-2021, 12:40 PM   #40
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this is so typical of why Caddy sucks balls.

The only cars that are even remotely interesting are the top of the line Premium versions that most buyers cannot afford. Until the normal CT car or whatever they are called cease to suck, Caddy as a brand is crapola.
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Old 07-29-2021, 09:31 PM   #41
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this is so typical of why Caddy sucks balls.

The only cars that are even remotely interesting are the top of the line Premium versions that most buyers cannot afford. Until the normal CT car or whatever they are called cease to suck, Caddy as a brand is crapola.
the CT4 gets great reviews. The Blackwing is like $60k if you donít add silly options like carbon fiber. I agree with above, would be perfect if they put the N/A V8 in it instead of the pickup truck V6. Interesting but Iíd probably buy a 2018 M3 comp sedan or M2 instead. Smaller, lighter, better sounding engine.
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Old 07-29-2021, 09:44 PM   #42
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the CT4 gets great reviews. The Blackwing is like $60k if you donít add silly options like carbon fiber. I agree with above, would be perfect if they put the N/A V8 in it instead of the pickup truck V6. Interesting but Iíd probably buy a 2018 M3 comp sedan or M2 instead. Smaller, lighter, better sounding engine.
I support the M2C or M3C choice.
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From the video on the CT4-V Blackwing: "They're very proud that it's below 4,000 pounds" I'd give it a test drive, but even though you can make a heavy car handle, you can't hide the weight; it's going to feel like a heavy car I just know it. At least it has a 3 pedal manual, and the interior looks very good for a GM product. My kids would ruin those seat backs though, why did you put alcantara there GM?
I like the electric blue, wonder what other fun colors will be available. I'd still take an NA V8 over the V6TT, but I may be in the minority here.

We're coming to the end of an era here, might be worth a purchase.
Not everything is meant to be a child friendly vehicle man. Thank God for that. Alcantara is awesome.
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From the video on the CT4-V Blackwing: "They're very proud that it's below 4,000 pounds" I'd give it a test drive, but even though you can make a heavy car handle, you can't hide the weight; it's going to feel like a heavy car I just know it. At least it has a 3 pedal manual, and the interior looks very good for a GM product. My kids would ruin those seat backs though, why did you put alcantara there GM?
I like the electric blue, wonder what other fun colors will be available. I'd still take an NA V8 over the V6TT, but I may be in the minority here.

We're coming to the end of an era here, might be worth a purchase.
4000 lbs is on the heavy side for a RWD sedan but the Alpha platform is solid and GM's chassis tuning engineers are probably the best thing the company has going for them. I'm sure it's going to feel agile and like a smaller car.
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I want to like the CT4 but canít get passed the super cramped cockpit, the cheap interior full of plastic and I canít even fit in the backseat ( 6í1 170#). Itís a beautiful car from the outside and whatís not to love about a manual transmission offering? But imo they really dropped the ball on the inside.
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Went to their webpage to price one out.

Want the climate package ($600) for those cooled seats? You need to add $7k worth of changes. Most packages were like that too.
WTF?

This is why I dont buy luxury cars.
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Not everything is meant to be a child friendly vehicle man. Thank God for that. Alcantara is awesome.
Don't get me wrong, I love Alcantara, it's super grippy, my issue is that in this case The Alcantara is only on the seat backs in an extremely cramped back seat - so any back passenger (I'm 5'-10) is going to ruin that extremely misplaced material when their knees rub against it (or feet in the case of my kids).

I repeat - Alcantara is not on:
The front seating surface (for grip - where it should be)
The steering wheel (for grip, I don't want an Alcantara wrapped wheel though)
The dash (glare reduction)
or even the shift boot (bling?)

Alcantara is on:
The backs of the front seats in an extremely cramped passenger area.

Were the entire seat covered in Alcantara I'd give it a pass, but some interior designer or whatever at GM decided yeah I'm going to put this useful grippy material in the absolute most useless place conceivable in the interior; they may as well have put it on the hood, at least it would cut down on glare.

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Went to their webpage to price one out.

Want the climate package ($600) for those cooled seats? You need to add $7k worth of changes. Most packages were like that too.
WTF?

This is why I dont buy luxury cars.
I didn't know the configurator was up, same - I like ventilated seats now that I have them, but not the massive package you have to get in order to get them in the caddy; I mean I'm sure I'd like massaging seats, but with my issue with curb weight, I'll pass on them here, as well as the aforementioned issue I take with the location of the Alcantara on the damn seatbacks but not where your body goes.

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Old 07-30-2021, 11:29 AM   #48
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this is so typical of why Caddy sucks balls.

The only cars that are even remotely interesting are the top of the line Premium versions that most buyers cannot afford. Until the normal CT car or whatever they are called cease to suck, Caddy as a brand is crapola.
Goes to my theory why most luxury/performance attempts fail. Everyone builds something to fight an M3/M5, but no one builds anything to fight a 3/5. The first generation Lexus IS was the last car to try.
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this is so typical of why Caddy sucks balls.

The only cars that are even remotely interesting are the top of the line Premium versions that most buyers cannot afford. Until the normal CT car or whatever they are called cease to suck, Caddy as a brand is crapola.
That's true about most cars. You have affordable models like the WRX/STI, which aren't particularly good at any level. Then you have expensive cars like a Porsche where even the cheap ones are pretty good.

All other cars straddle the line between afford/boring and expensive/fun. A base Lexus IS is pretty cheap, but the only one I'd want would be the new IS500 that's far from cheap.

The problem is that nearly all fun cars are expensive. People are jizzing over the BRZ which isn't particularly good looking or fast, just because there's essentially zero available fun cars for people who don't want to spend a ton. Even a Mustang or Camaro that I'd actually want would be about $50,000 now. Sure the performance is great, but that's a lot of cash.
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Don't get me wrong, I love Alcantara, it's super grippy, my issue is that in this case The Alcantara is only on the seat backs in an extremely cramped back seat - so any back passenger (I'm 5'-10) is going to ruin that extremely misplaced material when their knees rub against it (or feet in the case of my kids).

I repeat - Alcantara is not on:
The front seating surface (for grip - where it should be)
The steering wheel (for grip, I don't want an Alcantara wrapped wheel though)
The dash (glare reduction)
or even the shift boot (bling?)

Alcantara is on:
The backs of the front seats in an extremely cramped passenger area.

Were the entire seat covered in Alcantara I'd give it a pass, but some interior designer or whatever at GM decided yeah I'm going to put this useful grippy material in the absolute most useless place conceivable in the interior; they may as well have put it on the hood, at least it would cut down on glare.

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Just get something akin to a dog covers that companies sell for putting k9's in the back seats. Hell you could use towels. Performance + Kid mobile? I mean they make big heavy ass CUV/SUV's for that mess. You're really asking too much of an automobile to be this rad performance car + be super friendly for kids. It's like asking a ho to be a housewife.
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