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Old 02-22-2022, 12:26 PM   #426
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Shows October 2022 with 90 units for the NY region sales plan, not sure how to interpret that. Will there be more available and they aim to sell 90 units over 3 months? How many dealerships that includes?
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Old 02-22-2022, 12:45 PM   #427
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Shows October 2022 with 90 units for the NY region sales plan, not sure how to interpret that. Will there be more available and they aim to sell 90 units over 3 months? How many dealerships that includes?
Also shows Toyota Crown on the list, so grain of salt.... The 90 units appears to be a sales target.
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Also shows Toyota Crown on the list, so grain of salt.... The 90 units appears to be a sales target.
Last year, Toyota trademarked the Crown name in the U.S. It's been reported that the Crown sedan in Japan is being discontinued and replaced with a Crown SUV.

The Chinese market has the Crown Kluger (Highlander) so it could be the Crown could be sold in the U.S. as a luxury version of the Highlander. Something like the new Tundra Capstone trim.
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I think it's good info, tells a few things if accurate:

1. It will be officially unveiled very soon
2. It will be about as limited as the GR86. No surprise, but for reference this is much more limited than say a WRX, maybe even STI

So it will be very hard to get if you're picky. It looks to have similar monthly volume as 86, but consider that a GR86 shopper has the BRZ as an option too and it's sorta twice the rarity.

If I had to have one, I would find a dealer that is big but not the biggest in the area and put down a deposit asking to guarantee MSRP as soon as they would accept it.

Dealers might not have a clue about it until they have pricing in their system and it opens up for preference orders, which in this case might be August. Being first to put down a deposit on an order while they're clueless might be the only way to get MSRP. But if you go with a small dealer "sure, we'll give you MSRP all day pal!" they might never get a car anything like you want, if at all.
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Old 02-22-2022, 06:24 PM   #430
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Also shows Toyota Crown on the list, so grain of salt.... The 90 units appears to be a sales target.
And it’s the NY region only. So it’s not a nationwide document. Let’s see the car first and have the details before everyone starts going into consumer product bonanza season mode. Being first is akin to a big bag of diks.
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Old 02-23-2022, 08:19 AM   #431
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And it’s the NY region only. So it’s not a nationwide document. Let’s see the car first and have the details before everyone starts going into consumer product bonanza season mode. Being first is akin to a big bag of diks.
Just be careful, I doubt the day will ever come when you can walk into a dealer and walk out with one of these with no trouble. You might have a very small window where you can take advantage of dealer cluelessness to get one easy.

Unless you're gonna DD it, I'd have zero concern about first-adopter issues. And even if you will put 20k mi/yr on it.. it's a Toyota, and the critical bits are already maturing in the GR Yaris.
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Just be careful, I doubt the day will ever come when you can walk into a dealer and walk out with one of these with no trouble. You might have a very small window where you can take advantage of dealer cluelessness to get one easy.

Unless you're gonna DD it, I'd have zero concern about first-adopter issues. And even if you will put 20k mi/yr on it.. it's a Toyota, and the critical bits are already maturing in the GR Yaris.
I don't go near first year model years. The ADM, people running to dealers with money falling out of their pockets, etc. Just dumb. Each and every time I just wait it out. It pays dividends too. 2 years modifications come out. You get to see what works well and what doesn't. Tuning, bolt ons, etc. The way I do things I'd have summer/winter wheels and tires sitting in the garage as well as bolt on parts before I even have the car. Waiting also means a better price for me, each and every time.

If October is the first month of sales, cool. I can wait until October of 2024. It's not a daily driver for me. It's my cold weather and inclement weather fun vehicle. Putting a bunch of miles on one of these is stupid to me because these types of vehicles are going to get this run of production and then they are vaporware. So anyone putting 20k per year on it isn't bright, nor is someone who is going to daily it unless they are quite comfortable the replacement for it will be an EV or hybrid. ICE/6MT, and especially adding AWD, turbo, doesn't have much more time on the market. Everything will get electrification one way or the other. So the next say 4-5 years from right now is the last dance.

Covid or no covid, I do not get in a hurry nor dance for a stealer to spend tens of thousands of dollars. And if a mfr makes it that difficult to acquire in MY 2 or 3, then they can keep it and I don't need it. I've told my people to not buy a damn thing until all this stuff chills out. I told them it should start to normalize at the end of 2023.
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I don't go near first year model years. The ADM, people running to dealers with money falling out of their pockets, etc. Just dumb. Each and every time I just wait it out. It pays dividends too. 2 years modifications come out. You get to see what works well and what doesn't. Tuning, bolt ons, etc. The way I do things I'd have summer/winter wheels and tires sitting in the garage as well as bolt on parts before I even have the car. Waiting also means a better price for me, each and every time.

If October is the first month of sales, cool. I can wait until October of 2024. It's not a daily driver for me. It's my cold weather and inclement weather fun vehicle. Putting a bunch of miles on one of these is stupid to me because these types of vehicles are going to get this run of production and then they are vaporware. So anyone putting 20k per year on it isn't bright, nor is someone who is going to daily it unless they are quite comfortable the replacement for it will be an EV or hybrid. ICE/6MT, and especially adding AWD, turbo, doesn't have much more time on the market. Everything will get electrification one way or the other. So the next say 4-5 years from right now is the last dance.

Covid or no covid, I do not get in a hurry nor dance for a stealer to spend tens of thousands of dollars. And if a mfr makes it that difficult to acquire in MY 2 or 3, then they can keep it and I don't need it. I've told my people to not buy a damn thing until all this stuff chills out. I told them it should start to normalize at the end of 2023.
Well it's good that you're ready to take the do nothing exit. I've been doing that forever. Finally reached a boredom level that prevents me from continuing... but at the worst time for it

I'm trying to get a GR86, just as a fun car really, and the "when will things normalize" calculus is where I decided paying MSRP now is acceptable given the uncertainties. I'm seeing a distinct possibility that in 1-2 years, MSRP may still be normal. And if invoice becomes typical by end of next year? You win some you lose some - getting the car now and being able to pull away from these forums will have been a fair trade

I don't think there is any good prediction right now for when normal will come back, and I have a strong suspicion that a "normal" car price in the US in 2-3 years could make todays prices look good. Especially considering it looks like the worlds' dictators are looking to execute the "conquer" part of the plan now that the west has been thoroughly divided. Could make covid seem trivial in terms of disruption.
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Last year, Toyota trademarked the Crown name in the U.S. It's been reported that the Crown sedan in Japan is being discontinued and replaced with a Crown SUV.

The Chinese market has the Crown Kluger (Highlander) so it could be the Crown could be sold in the U.S. as a luxury version of the Highlander. Something like the new Tundra Capstone trim.
Ah, well then, interested to see what Toyota does with the Crown nameplate; sounds very "Ford" of them to attach it to an SUV/CUV.
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Video got taken down. Somebody got their hands slapped by Toyota.
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Video got taken down. Somebody got their hands slapped by Toyota.
Dude definitely got his girlfriend in trouble, really dumb to mention that hah
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Well it's good that you're ready to take the do nothing exit. I've been doing that forever. Finally reached a boredom level that prevents me from continuing... but at the worst time for it

I'm trying to get a GR86, just as a fun car really, and the "when will things normalize" calculus is where I decided paying MSRP now is acceptable given the uncertainties. I'm seeing a distinct possibility that in 1-2 years, MSRP may still be normal. And if invoice becomes typical by end of next year? You win some you lose some - getting the car now and being able to pull away from these forums will have been a fair trade

I don't think there is any good prediction right now for when normal will come back, and I have a strong suspicion that a "normal" car price in the US in 2-3 years could make todays prices look good. Especially considering it looks like the worlds' dictators are looking to execute the "conquer" part of the plan now that the west has been thoroughly divided. Could make covid seem trivial in terms of disruption.
I hear ya. I’m just not in a hurry, covid or no covid, I don’t buy first year production models. If 2023 is the first model year of the GR Corolla then mine will be a 2025 bought in the back half of 2024. My backup plan is the GR86/BRZ. I wish Toyo would release spec on this car. I need to know if the Torsen diffs are going to be an option, weight, and price. And I want to see the STi. Then there is the Z in consumer hands, and the Supra 6MT coming. I want all options on the table before I buy my last 6MT ICE performance machine. This is why I’m in no hurry. A few vehicles aren’t even released yet. GR Corolla remains in my #1 slot.
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I hear ya. I'm just not in a hurry, covid or no covid, I don't buy first year production models. If 2023 is the first model year of the GR Corolla then mine will be a 2025 bought in the back half of 2024. My backup plan is the GR86/BRZ. I wish Toyo would release spec on this car. I need to know if the Torsen diffs are going to be an option, weight, and price. And I want to see the STi. Then there is the Z in consumer hands, and the Supra 6MT coming. I want all options on the table before I buy my last 6MT ICE performance machine. This is why I'm in no hurry. A few vehicles aren't even released yet. GR Corolla remains in my #1 slot.
I broke that rule when I bought a 2017 Civic 6mT hatchback. Damn thing almost killed me (the car would roll on a slight incline when parked in gear). That's fixed on my 2020 Si.

Also the entire dashboard went dark while I was driving, that's freaky and something you expect from a Fiat, not a Honda.

So I don't care if it's a Toyota, avoid 1st model year.
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I hear ya. I’m just not in a hurry, covid or no covid, I don’t buy first year production models. If 2023 is the first model year of the GR Corolla then mine will be a 2025 bought in the back half of 2024. My backup plan is the GR86/BRZ. I wish Toyo would release spec on this car. I need to know if the Torsen diffs are going to be an option, weight, and price. And I want to see the STi. Then there is the Z in consumer hands, and the Supra 6MT coming. I want all options on the table before I buy my last 6MT ICE performance machine. This is why I’m in no hurry. A few vehicles aren’t even released yet. GR Corolla remains in my #1 slot.
This is nearly identical to my position on cars right now. Hoping to find out more about the STI and GR soon. Also wouldn't mind waiting until the new 86/BRZ gets a higher final drive and a few other improvements I imagine they are holding out on.
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This is nearly identical to my position on cars right now. Hoping to find out more about the STI and GR soon. Also wouldn't mind waiting until the new 86/BRZ gets a higher final drive and a few other improvements I imagine they are holding out on.
Yeah the PP. It was $1700. Sachs suspension, Brembos, wheels. F the wheels just the suspension and brakes are worth that money in spades. No rush. 2 more releases this year, cars aren’t even out, no specs, no cost, nada. PP on the twins is at least 1-2 years from now. For me it’s definitely musical chairs.
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Putting in my 1k deposit for delivery at the end of next year this week. Thanks to the homeys I found a dealer not too far away (200 miles) who guarantees MSRP + TTL. No ADM. Just a slight delay in getting the typical wheel locks/tint stuff removed as I want to pick it up still in plastic. They are being cool in that I've told them if no diffs are offered I'll buy either a GR86 or 6MT Supra from them. And the 1k is fully refundable. #2 on the list there and since the #1 is taking delivery at first opportunity I'm guaranteed in.
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Have to love it that people are this excited for a car that hasn't even been unveiled yet and dropping deposits for them.

Something that can't be said for the new WRX.

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Have to love it that people are this excited for a car that hasn't even been unveiled yet and dropping deposits for them.

Something that can't be said for the new WRX.
That's simple. The 2022 WRX is "The rally legend for the next generation."

We are the old generation... We know when to pass on something that has a butt plug sticking out the rear end.
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Have to love it that people are this excited for a car that hasn't even been unveiled yet and dropping deposits for them.

Something that can't be said for the new WRX.
What ever happened to the STI anyway? This car and the CTR will likely be introduced in the coming months and nothing but crickets from Subaru regarding the STI.
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Putting in my 1k deposit for delivery at the end of next year this week. Thanks to the homeys I found a dealer not too far away (200 miles) who guarantees MSRP + TTL. No ADM. Just a slight delay in getting the typical wheel locks/tint stuff removed as I want to pick it up still in plastic. They are being cool in that I've told them if no diffs are offered I'll buy either a GR86 or 6MT Supra from them. And the 1k is fully refundable. #2 on the list there and since the #1 is taking delivery at first opportunity I'm guaranteed in.
Nice. You mean this year? I have a feeling it will be unveiled in April.

It's really tough to predict what they will do with this car, but I'm leaning toward them shooting for a mid-high 30k MSRP where diffs would be in the mix. With the market the way it has been it makes the most sense, just comes down to when and where they were when they set the plan in stone. I think reception of the Yaris was an input into this thing so might have been more recent.
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Have to love it that people are this excited for a car that hasn't even been unveiled yet and dropping deposits for them.

Something that can't be said for the new WRX.
Because the WRX is not a completely new car to this market and there was nothing leading up to a massive excitement other than the 2.4 engine. If anything, the BRZ stole that thunder.

The GR Corolla is a bit different as it is being based on a GR Yaris that is forbidden fruit to the U.S. We know how the GR Yaris is spec'd, and there's hope for it to carry over to the GR Corolla. If anything, if the GR Corolla doesn't come with the circuit package or poorly priced, it will be a huge letdown. Plus, if a deposit is refundable, no harm no foul. We know a WRX will be plenty available. We don't know the availability about the GR Corolla.
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What ever happened to the STI anyway? This car and the CTR will likely be introduced in the coming months and nothing but crickets from Subaru regarding the STI.
probably trying to figure out how to market another generation of STI with the EJ...
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Nice. You mean this year? I have a feeling it will be unveiled in April.

What did I say in my post? I said delivery NEXT YEAR. I don't think that could be more clear.
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What did I say in my post? I said delivery NEXT YEAR. I don't think that could be more clear.
Whooooaaaa! Had to look back and make sure I didn't call your mom fat or something in my post. I bet the dealer you're working with won't forget you.. which will be important considering there is no mechanism for them to do this. It will come down to them properly timing a preference request submission which will be tricky if demand is crazy.
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