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Old 07-17-2019, 07:08 AM   #1
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How much should I spend for decent coil overs and what coil overs are the best value?
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If you're spending less than $1500, they're private labeled junk out of Taiwan or China.

I'm partial to Ohlin, but only because of my experience with Lotus.
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Old 07-17-2019, 09:27 AM   #3
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If youre spending a grand or less, Tein Flex.
If your spending $1200-$2000, RCE or KW
Over $2k get Ohlins

Dont shy from buying a used set, bring someone with you to inspect them if your not familiar with what to look at.
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/\ Both pretty solid answers. Keep in mind that coilovers tend to wear out a LOT faster than your stock suspension. Some brands can be rebuilt, some cannot, so keep that in mind while shopping.
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If you're spending less than $1500, they're private labeled junk out of Taiwan or China.

I'm partial to Ohlin, but only because of my experience with Lotus.
What about Fortune Auto 500's? Are they an exception or are they cutting corners with some of the components?
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If you just daily drive get a good set of dampers and maybe some lowering springs that are matched to the dampers. Leave the headache of coilovers to serious racers. Been there done that.
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If you just daily drive get a good set of dampers and maybe some lowering springs that are matched to the dampers.
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He doesn't need coilovers even for advanced-group HPDE track driving.


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Old 07-18-2019, 10:36 AM   #8
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No such thing as "inexpensive" or "budget" when it comes to performance aftermarket parts. EVERYTHING is expensive.

I recently bought some ISC Suspension N1 Street Sport Coilovers. It's my first set of coilovers. Main reason why I bought these is because they come with lifetime warranty while other brands come with 1 - 5 years of warranty.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:54 PM   #9
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ive heard good things about Feal 441+ with swift springs and also Fortune Auto
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If youre spending a grand or less, Tein Flex.
If your spending $1200-$2000, RCE or KW
Over $2k get Ohlins

Dont shy from buying a used set, bring someone with you to inspect them if your not familiar with what to look at.
I think this is on target.

In addition to Teins, I've seen a lot of people comment that the BC are decent for the street. I can only vouch for the Teins in this case though, as I've not been on BCs.

See this is how it really is: If you get a set and they are not harsh and do what you want them to, then who's to say that they are not good enough for your purposes? However, if you start to test them, you may find you want more performance or certain reactions from your coilovers. You get a nicer set and only THEN do you notice what you were missing before. But then again, some folks want adjust-ability and the damping/ rebound characteristics are not the top priority. Now that said, most folks don't REAAAALLLY change ride height often. Most set it and forget it. So why then wouldn't you go with a spring and strut combo that gets you where you want, but rides better than a cheaper coilover? That's generally the question/ argument.
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No such thing as "inexpensive" or "budget" when it comes to performance aftermarket parts. EVERYTHING is expensive.

I recently bought some ISC Suspension N1 Street Sport Coilovers. It's my first set of coilovers. Main reason why I bought these is because they come with lifetime warranty while other brands come with 1 - 5 years of warranty.
The warranty covers everything but internal failures and they will weasel out of a warranty claim to begin with. Plus you have to have it installed by a shop, they wont honor the claim unless you have proof it was installed so. Most companies are like this.

I also forgot to add, ST suspension are around $900 and are made by KW without the frills like adjustments and fancy colors. Those would be good for a street car where you dont need damper adjustment.

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ive heard good things about Feal 441+ with swift springs and also Fortune Auto
Cant speak on Fortune Auto, but from what ive seen in recent years their quality and customer service is much better than it used to be. Ive had a set of Feal 441's for about 5 years, they've been absolutely pummeled and have probably north of 100-120k miles on them (one inspection/refresh). They held up fairly well, but the bodies are painted and the threads will rust and seize the lower mounts, i have two bent struts from hitting curbing on track but they still actuate smooth enough to use every day i just cant adjust anything on the outside of the bodies.

They are still a good deal at $1300, they now charge $1500+ for swift springs and better valve damping (which used to be offered at $1200) which at that point id spend the couple extra benjamins and get KW's. The Fortune dampers are around $1300 as well, being both the Feal struts and Fortunes are imported from asian markets, the Fortunes offer more bang for the buck with the 500 series. For $1300 they offer different spring rate options and are built in stainless bodies and a 5 year warranty, those are $1700 with Swift springs. Again, KW's are $1800 and id take those over most anything else in the $1500-$2000 range.

I stand corrected, KW V1's are $1600.

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I also forgot to add, ST suspension are around $900 and are made by KW without the frills like adjustments and fancy colors. Those would be good for a street car where you dont need damper adjustment.
That's where the catch lies - if you're not going to bother with damping adjustments and spring rate choices to dial in the ride/handling compromise to suit your individual preferences you're throwing away the principal advantage of even having coilovers.

You'd be better off with your choice of lowering springs and conventional dampers.


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Old 07-18-2019, 03:28 PM   #13
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just get bc racing and be happy. they a great set to have unless you want more options like Feal. people gonna be biased all day but if you search the answers are clear on what EVERYONE has on their cars these days. remember warranty helps too
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The warranty covers everything but internal failures and they will weasel out of a warranty claim to begin with. Plus you have to have it installed by a shop, they wont honor the claim unless you have proof it was installed so. Most companies are like this.

Mine were installed by a shop since I know this was a pre-requisite
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That's where the catch lies - if you're not going to bother with damping adjustments and spring rate choices to dial in the ride/handling compromise to suit your individual preferences you're throwing away the principal advantage of even having coilovers.

You'd be better off with your choice of lowering springs and conventional dampers.


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If conventional dampers mean stock, the stockers have very little compression travel in the front at stock ride height, lowering could put it on the bump stops. A good set of coil-overs can help out with suspension travel as well as the benefits mentioned above.
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That's where the catch lies - if you're not going to bother with damping adjustments and spring rate choices to dial in the ride/handling compromise to suit your individual preferences you're throwing away the principal advantage of even having coilovers.

You'd be better off with your choice of lowering springs and conventional dampers.


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There ya go. Back in the day, we'd go to clutchdrop to find the spring rates, drops and such and choose lowering springs with some data. Not sure where to find everything in one place anymore, but that's a very good way to start.
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If conventional dampers mean stock, the stockers have very little compression travel in the front at stock ride height, lowering could put it on the bump stops. A good set of coil-overs can help out with suspension travel as well as the benefits mentioned above.
"Conventional" includes stockers but is not limited to OE. Conventionals can feature adjustable damping (i.e. Koni yellows).

As opposed to coilover types with lower spring seats adjustable for ride height and cornerweighting purposes.


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I love my ISC N1's i got for like $900, just saying. Only thing that pisses me off about them is one of my damper keys up and vanished and they want $5 to send me another one. I'm always supporting them on IG and have had a couple people buy from them now and they want $5 to send me a new allen key, so i guess coils = good, customer service = ****
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ya i also have ISC N1s and they ride great. For $900 I don't think you can beat it. I did spend a little extra for rear camber plates which BC's come with I believe but BCs weren't getting the same level of love from my shop or the forums.

Was planning to go Feal but since I am not doing any tracking currently, saving the couple hundred and having a good quality ride was definitely a plus.

General consensus I believe is if you are going for great coils, you go KW or RCE. If you want budget coils, BC or ISC. Midrange get Feal or Fortune. If you don't give a **** about any longevity just get Raceland. And I would suggest with all these options to make sure you use some anti-seize as that's one of the main things that go bad with coils is seizing.
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There is no such thing as best value as we don't do value here. Like best color car and most delicious ice cream flavor, those are personal.

If you want real help you need to state the car's use. If you are lapping Road Atlanta, the advice I would give is different than if you just want to impress your buddies in the Pizza King parking lot with a lowered stance. Notice how I made a deep Indiana reference and a deep suspension reference like I know of what I speak?

If you know you'll need a corner alignment for your coilovers and already know where you are going to get it and know how many Home Depot buckets full of dirt equals your body weight, your best advice is to go to https://turninconcepts.com/ and buy EXACTLY what they recommend without question after you tell them your car details.

If you have to google the term corner alignment because you don't know what it means, you will want to do the following: Buy the cheapest coilovers you can find....used/ebay. Keep your old suspension as you'll be putting it back on again. Adjust it for looks and know that you will be replacing the coilovers as they break and this will be a thing and its usually just easier to buy a whole new set and treat them like paper towels. If you know this in advance, it makes it easier as you can keep $500-1000 in a savings account for the swaps.

And you have read https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=911257 to know the other options right?
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While I understand what you mean on stating the car’s use, I disagree with you on the fact that people do not do value here. I’m certain if someone if going to be spending upward of 1200 dollars they are going to make sure they are spending their money on something that is worth it. Value doesn’t mean cheap the same that budget doesn’t necessarily mean cheap. I apologize if my vocabulary made it seam as if I was trying to save money, merely trying to find out how much one typically spends on coil overs for them to be worth it. As for the Indiana reference, I don’t know what you are talking about. I am new to Subaru’s and I’m especially new to forums, hence the reasoning why I posted in the newbie section. I appreciate all the input from everyone. As for the purpose of the car, I was looking for improved handling but it will mostly be for daily driving, so I will most likely be moving towards some good dampers and springs as suggested earlier. Thanks all!
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While I understand what you mean on stating the carís use, I disagree with you on the fact that people do not do value here. Iím certain if someone if going to be spending upward of 1200 dollars they are going to make sure they are spending their money on something that is worth it. Value doesnít mean cheap the same that budget doesnít necessarily mean cheap. I apologize if my vocabulary made it seam as if I was trying to save money, merely trying to find out how much one typically spends on coil overs for them to be worth it. As for the Indiana reference, I donít know what you are talking about. I am new to Subaruís and Iím especially new to forums, hence the reasoning why I posted in the newbie section. I appreciate all the input from everyone. As for the purpose of the car, I was looking for improved handling but it will mostly be for daily driving, so I will most likely be moving towards some good dampers and springs as suggested earlier. Thanks all!
Good deal. A good set of dampers and springs will be more than enough for you. Heck, ninety percent of us on this forum are better off with a good set of dampers.
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While I understand what you mean on stating the carís use, I disagree with you on the fact that people do not do value here. Iím certain if someone if going to be spending upward of 1200 dollars they are going to make sure they are spending their money on something that is worth it. Value doesnít mean cheap the same that budget doesnít necessarily mean cheap. I apologize if my vocabulary made it seam as if I was trying to save money, merely trying to find out how much one typically spends on coil overs for them to be worth it. As for the Indiana reference, I donít know what you are talking about. I am new to Subaruís and Iím especially new to forums, hence the reasoning why I posted in the newbie section. I appreciate all the input from everyone. As for the purpose of the car, I was looking for improved handling but it will mostly be for daily driving, so I will most likely be moving towards some good dampers and springs as suggested earlier. Thanks all!

These concepts are universal to cars. Subaruís are not unique when it comes to suspension.

Just to summarize: a cheap set of coil overs is 5-700 bucks and will surely fail, break, and be awful.

There are sets that are in the 9-1200 range that people find acceptable in terms of ride and give them the adjustability of ride height they apparently want.

And then there are proper coilovers for performance. These will be expensive. Anyone spending the money on proper coilovers will also take the time to set them up properly.

Iím not as against the mid range as some folks are. That said, I donít really see the reason not to get a good spring and strut combo that would act better. But this is a to each his own scenario in my minds being that many find the midrange to be to their liking. You canít dismiss the many testimonies of satisfaction in that group.
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While I understand what you mean on stating the car’s use, I disagree with you on the fact that people do not do value here. I’m certain if someone if going to be spending upward of 1200 dollars they are going to make sure they are spending their money on something that is worth it. Value doesn’t mean cheap the same that budget doesn’t necessarily mean cheap.
Concepts like 'value', 'budget', and 'worth it' are subjective and highly variable from one person to another.

For example, something I might place value on - for this thread that might be Koni yellows or custom-valved Bilsteins at $700 or so - would be looked at as extravagance by many others. Including, perhaps especially, those who see (cheapie) coilovers being available at similar pricing. It's kind of the same thing with tires, people looking to save $300/set vs Michelin PS4S.


Hell, if my occasional track toy was going to remain 100% a street driver I probably wouldn't have ever swapped the springs on it, and just stayed with the upgraded adjustable shocks & struts, and firmer adjustable sta-bars. The only reason I did the springs at all was because nose dive under extreme braking on the track had become noticeable enough to warrant doing something about. Called fixing a problem after recognizing what it really is that you want to fix.


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