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Old 07-17-2019, 11:59 AM   #401
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The nice thing about the price of the Touring is there are no option packages. It is fully loaded. That's your price. Only way to increase the cost are accessories. With a Legacy, I don't see what else I'd want except floor liners and maybe a roof carrier.
But they've also entered the same price as more upscale sedans, in a very dated design. Giulia, S60, G70, 3Series, A3/4, etc... All can be had with AWD, almost the same features, for almost the same price. I hope they do well, and time will tell. Kudos on them for trying, but not a fan of them not upping the design language.

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Old 07-17-2019, 12:33 PM   #402
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The nice thing about the price of the Touring is there are no option packages. It is fully loaded. That's your price. Only way to increase the cost are accessories. With a Legacy, I don't see what else I'd want except floor liners and maybe a roof carrier.
That's nice that the XT Touring is all inclusive. However, why is the XT Limited only $1700 cheaper? Depending on what packages the Limited has, it could cost more than a Touring. And it's also $4500 more than the 2.5i Limited. There should be a Sport/Premium XT trim like the Outback's Onyx trim that fills the gap.

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But they've also entered the same price as more upscale sedans, in a very dated design. Giulia, S60, G70, 3Series, A3/4, etc... All can be had with AWD, almost the same features, for almost the same price. I hope they do well, and time will tell. Kudos on them for trying, but not a fan of them not upping the design language.

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Maybe. All those cars realistically start at $40k for AWD. Plus, depending on brand, you have to option it up to get the same features. Sure, we can talk about what they can actually be purchased at but it's not like the Legacy can't be had for cheaper in a year either.

The Camry V6 starts at $34k and goes to $38k with Nav and driver's assistance.

The Accord Touring trim with 2.0T starts at $36k. But the Accord has the appeal of getting the 2.0T at $31k and of course in a MT.

So if anything, I would wish for a XT Sport/Premium trim to get into one cheaper.
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Old 07-17-2019, 12:46 PM   #403
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The Legacy looks like nothing with the appeal of nothing and no momentum whatsoever building up for its release and is the most expensive ever. The Outback XT will do ok, but the Legacy XT looks to be a languishing no dealer will want trim. Just as always.

When the SGP WRX comes out it will only get worse.
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Old 07-17-2019, 12:56 PM   #404
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How about a manual transmission?
adding a manual tranny would make it like wrx in a bigger body. be patient and wait for the new wrx
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Old 07-17-2019, 01:00 PM   #405
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How about a manual transmission?

Me? no. I'm done with that. If that happened to be the only option(STI like), and that's the car I wanted, fine. But, no, I don't care for a manual. And that would likely bring the cost down. Not up.


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But they've also entered the same price as more upscale sedans, in a very dated design. Giulia, S60, G70, 3Series, A3/4, etc... All can be had with AWD, almost the same features, for almost the same price. I hope they do well, and time will tell. Kudos on them for trying, but not a fan of them not upping the design language.

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I, to, am disappointed that the design didn't change more; but, having seen them and driven them, I don't really mind. I don't feel it's "dated". Heck, I still don't think the current WRX/STI is "dated". BUT, that still gets chocked up to personal preference; so, no arguments about it. You like what you like.

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The Legacy looks like nothing with the appeal of nothing and no momentum whatsoever building up for its release and is the most expensive ever. The Outback XT will do ok, but the Legacy XT looks to be a languishing no dealer will want trim. Just as always.

When the SGP WRX comes out it will only get worse.
This is what I want to see. If it'll sell better than the 3.6R. With the extra power and better handling of the SGP, maybe it makes a small resurgence?
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Old 07-17-2019, 01:22 PM   #406
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Base: $23,645
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Old 07-17-2019, 02:23 PM   #407
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That's nice that the XT Touring is all inclusive. However, why is the XT Limited only $1700 cheaper? Depending on what packages the Limited has, it could cost more than a Touring. And it's also $4500 more than the 2.5i Limited. There should be a Sport/Premium XT trim like the Outback's Onyx trim that fills the gap.

There isn't any opt pkg availability for either XT. The $1700 is the Power folding mirrors, front view camera, and likely the Napa leather. Something I also forgot to look at when I was with the cars was if all 4 windows were auto with the Tourings. That would be a higher cost to count in the $1700; but, probably not that much.


I agree they should have moved the sport up to a turbo option as an "Onyx" option.....
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Old 07-17-2019, 03:07 PM   #408
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I would have preferred an XT Premium for $31k...
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I would have preferred an XT Premium for $31k...
I wouldnít mind a tS version for $33k but the Legacy still has the poop AWD setup for mileage over performance. A WRX premium is still a far better value if you are willing to sacrifice interior space and live with the WRX exterior styling.

I will give kudos to Subaru though for not going crazy and try to sell this for $45k like VW is doing with the Arteon. Though the Arteon is a fastback 5 door and not directly comparable to the Legacy XT, itís still sedany enough for comparing. And I donít think itís selling so hot.
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Old 07-18-2019, 08:49 AM   #410
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I wouldnít mind a tS version for $33k but the Legacy still has the poop AWD setup for mileage over performance. A WRX premium is still a far better value if you are willing to sacrifice interior space and live with the WRX exterior styling.
WRX suspension is also a bit more stiff than the Legacy. If it has the same(ish) feel as in my Impreza Sport, than that would probably be a good match.

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I wouldnít mind a tS version for $33k but the Legacy still has the poop AWD setup for mileage over performance. A WRX premium is still a far better value if you are willing to sacrifice interior space and live with the WRX exterior styling.

I will give kudos to Subaru though for not going crazy and try to sell this for $45k like VW is doing with the Arteon. Though the Arteon is a fastback 5 door and not directly comparable to the Legacy XT, itís still sedany enough for comparing. And I donít think itís selling so hot.
If Levorg 2.0 DIT would have been offered would you have honestly bought one?
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I would have immediately.
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Old 07-18-2019, 10:54 AM   #413
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I would have immediately.
2nded. I would have traded in my '17 Impreza immediately.

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Old 07-18-2019, 11:13 AM   #414
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2nded. I would have traded in my '17 Impreza immediately.

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Where can I get me one of them Levorg 2.0DIT with a 6mt?
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I would very strongly consider a used one.
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Where can I get me one of them Levorg 2.0DIT with a 6mt?
Thatís where THAT discussion ends, usually.
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What is Levorg? What is honestly?
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That’s where THAT discussion ends, usually.
Ha! Ha! My Imp is CVT! If I want to row gears, I have my S2000.

I'm perfectly fine with CVT or autotragic. I am just done with stop/go traffic and red lights everywhere on my commute.

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Ha! Ha! My Imp is CVT! If I want to row gears, I have my S2000.

I'm perfectly fine with CVT or autotragic. I am just done with stop/go traffic and red lights everywhere on my commute.

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my 06 just cracked 130k miles today; I haven't driven much in the past four+/- years, even when I did, I like/liked to be involved; I live in the sticks, the only traffic I really hit is when I'm travelling out of the sticks into a major metro, which is hardly ever, even then, the traffic is never so bad that I would wish for fewer pedals.

I'm not into CVTs because they've been programmed to act like a TC auto; the ZF stuff I've driven is probably some of the best as for as Autos go, I still don't want one, but if I had to be stuck with one it would probably be a ZF (or the Ford/GM 10spd in an F150)
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The best thing about the CVT in my '17 isn't upshifting, hardly ever use it to do that. With the preset ratios, being able to engine brake/downshift in turns. There's just something really nice about the way it does it, smoothly, but quickly (not like banging gears), without upsetting any balance while turning.

If they could program it for no gear upshift, but downshift to preset ratios, that would be best of both worlds.

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Old 07-18-2019, 12:53 PM   #421
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I love upsetting balance. That’s why I drive a wagon.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:14 PM   #422
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2nded. I would have traded in my '17 Impreza immediately.

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Amen. Still waiting for news on an STI hatch. Otherwise I'm running this Impreza into the ground.
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I love upsetting balance. Thatís why I drive a wagon.
I drive a wagon for better wight balance; also the extra cargo space is nice.
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Old 07-18-2019, 03:38 PM   #424
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I'm surprised nobody's complained about the C-pillar "window" (or more accurately, the lack thereof). The black plastic where glass should be just looks like a half-finished design to me.
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The Outback is the finished version.
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