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Old 08-31-2016, 01:26 AM   #576
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You have 300wtq at 3100-3200rpm with a std location GT3076 on 93? (this has 300wtq at 3500rpm)
Hard to say. The only chart I have shows peak boost happening at a little under 5k RPM, whereas on the street in 3rd gear that'd be a little under 4k. It's like comparing a 2nd gear pull with my turbo to a 3rd gear pull with his. But that chart also shows 300 wtq at about 4500, so [email protected] doesn't seem unrealistic.
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Old 08-31-2016, 08:24 AM   #577
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Probably time to change the thread title & update the OP
Good call, and done!

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Hey, if you ask around a bit, you might find somebody who could fab one for ya. Surely someone around here can weld aluminum.
We have great welders who put up with my bazar requests on a regular basis. The problem is my schedule is too full to devote the engineering time for the design. I'm just not a throw a dart at the wall and see what works (without knowing why) kind of guy. Although, it is something I've been thinking about... along with an intake manifold.

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I just installed the GTX3076 Spoolinator along with ID1300's, DW300C, FPR and Grimmspeed TMIC.

KillerB was great throughout the process, customer service was 100%

I'm almost through the break in on my IAG block, and I'm getting ready to Call Prime to schedule my tune date! I will say that I'm already impressed by the response I'm getting during break in! Climbing around hills, it's easy to find yourself almost into boost at RPM's comparable to my VF series turbo. Can't wait to get this thing tuned! I'll be sure to post my 93 and E85 Plots when I get em!
Thanks for the kind words and definitely post your plots. We've never done a 3076 so it will be interesting to see where it falls between the 3067 and 3576.
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Old 08-31-2016, 08:38 PM   #578
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The more I look at this result the more impressed I am.

This Rotated GTX3076 which needs 4100rpm to get to 300wtq and makes peaks of 463/421.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2801903

Compare to the Spoolinator GTX3576 which makes 300wtq at 3500rpm and goes on to make ~600/570 WOW

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Old 09-01-2016, 03:19 AM   #579
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I'm deeply suspicious of the idea that the same compressor comes on quicker with a larger hotside. If the cars weigh the same (or close) it would be interesting to compare logs from 3rd-gear pulls as well.
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Old 09-01-2016, 06:28 AM   #580
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I'm deeply suspicious of the idea that the same compressor comes on quicker with a larger hotside. If the cars weigh the same (or close) it would be interesting to compare logs from 3rd-gear pulls as well.
I was deeply concerned as well, and Jr will attest to this, it's something I've been leary of for years. It seemed the 0.63 was just not a great match, first set of numbers showed the performance was not ideal, showing it was somewhat corked. It would build boost, but power and onset of power was not what I would consider ideal.

As the 0.63 vs 0.82 plot shows, my apprehension was pointless. Now on other sized turbochargers, an argument can be made for the smaller housing, but not here.

Since there were fuel supply issues with the before pull (dashed) don't pay attention to anything below 4,000 RPMs. Even at that, the gains are pretty significant, and similar gains were seen with pump fuel too. I ALWAYS want customer's expectations to be meet or better yet, exceeded. If I felt this data was misleading at all, it would not have been posted.


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Old 09-01-2016, 06:38 AM   #581
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Got a pull where you actually rev it out? And a boost plot?
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Old 09-01-2016, 09:29 AM   #582
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The more I look at this result the more impressed I am.

This Rotated GTX3076 EJ25 which needs 4100rpm to get to 300wtq and makes peaks of 463/421.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2801903

Compare to the Spoolinator GTX3576 FA20 which makes 300wtq at 3500rpm and goes on to make ~600/570 WOW
I think you're reading different results or misreading them. This is on an ej25, not an fa20. Spoolinator kit is for the traditionally mounted Subaru setups, not the new low mount style. Regardless of engine, still impressive.
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Old 09-01-2016, 09:37 AM   #583
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Got a pull where you actually rev it out? And a boost plot?
I assume no on revving it out. He said the post core IAT sensor was reaching 170*F with the ETS tmic...
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Old 09-01-2016, 10:20 AM   #584
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I assume no on revving it out. He said the post core IAT sensor was reaching 170*F with the ETS tmic...
DANG!!!
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Old 09-01-2016, 10:52 AM   #585
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Yeah, time for water to air methinks (or front mount).

The frozen boost type 14 does very nicely
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Old 09-01-2016, 06:59 PM   #586
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I think you're reading different results or misreading them. This is on an ej25, not an fa20. Spoolinator kit is for the traditionally mounted Subaru setups, not the new low mount style. Regardless of engine, still impressive.
Yup my mistake, getting my threads mixed up. As you said still very impressive.
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Old 09-02-2016, 09:10 AM   #587
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Guarantee Chris won't use a frozenboost awic. If he uses an awic, it will likely be a bespoke high zoot unit. Efficiency and durability at any cost is the KBM way. Especially with his own cars!!!!
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I was deeply concerned as well, and Jr will attest to this, it's something I've been leary of for years. It seemed the 0.63 was just not a great match, first set of numbers showed the performance was not ideal, showing it was somewhat corked. It would build boost, but power and onset of power was not what I would consider ideal.

As the 0.63 vs 0.82 plot shows, my apprehension was pointless. Now on other sized turbochargers, an argument can be made for the smaller housing, but not here.

Since there were fuel supply issues with the before pull (dashed) don't pay attention to anything below 4,000 RPMs. Even at that, the gains are pretty significant, and similar gains were seen with pump fuel too. I ALWAYS want customer's expectations to be meet or better yet, exceeded. If I felt this data was misleading at all, it would not have been posted.

Sorry if i"m dense, but the "before and after" on this graph is .63 housing and then .82 housing on the same GTX3576, both on E85 Fuel?
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Old 09-02-2016, 04:03 PM   #589
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^ Correct, but the after was also with a direct wire fuel pump as well, so the before plot is VERY conservative. There was one before plot that made 540whp, but it was aborted because the fuel pressure tanked!
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Old 09-09-2016, 11:08 AM   #590
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I have a simple stupid question. If you had a spoolinator, and decided to run a front mount, could you rotate the turbo to configure it towards a rotated setup? Assuming you make any necessary modifications for the inlet and outlet paths?

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Yeah the turbo can be clocked in any position
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I have a simple stupid question. If you had a spoolinator, and decided to run a front mount, could you rotate the turbo to configure it towards a rotated setup? Assuming you make any necessary modifications for the inlet and outlet paths?

Thanks.
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The compressor cover can be clocked, but most FMICs out there offer OEM turbo fitment. Rotated setups are specific the manufacturer since there is no 'standard' rotated location. For example, a Perrin rotated kit (downpipe, intercooler tubing, etc.) cannot use parts from an ETS turbo kit.
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Thanks for the kind words and definitely post your plots. We've never done a 3076 so it will be interesting to see where it falls between the 3067 and 3576.

So I finally got my setup tuned today!!! 9/15/16

Let me say I was hesitant with all the negative stories about the GTX3076R and it's mismatched housings, however the setup really blew past my expectations. I'm almost 100% confident the housing makes all the difference in efficiency.

Car Setup as follows: ( Some stuff may be missed)

IAG Stage 2 Tuff short block
Stock rebuilt heads
Spoolinator gtx3076R .82 housing
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Power: While I don't have the charts just yet, I have numbers!

JR Tuned @ PrimeMotoring

Pump Gas 93 saw 450whp / 450Wtq with ~20psi hitting at 3900rpms

E85 saw 550whp / 554wtq making 25psi @4200rpms

The car was a blast to drive for all of 7 miles before I had a clutch failure we're trying to sort out.. Doesn't disengage from gear all the time, making gear changes a gamble if driving it hard. So basically I've been limping it around until I have the time to get it apart. Luckily it happened after all the tuning was completed! #racecarproblems

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Pump Gas 93 saw 450whp / 450Wtq with ~20psi hitting at 3900rpms

E85 saw 550whp / 554wtq making 25psi @4200rpms
Nice.... yeah, 550whp is pretty much exactly what I expect a GTX3076R to do. 600whp is what I expect out of the 3576. which is what KillerB got. It's nice when things work out like that And FYI, a GTX3071 should be right at 500whp on E85.
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I made 530whp on a rotated 3576 .82 ar tial housing @ 29 psi, e85 with stock heads. That was on a cobb surgline's mustang dyno.
Different dynos yield different results.
Prime uses a mustang dyno I thought also?
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To summarise the Killer B Spoolinator Turbo kit: it is designed to give rotated turbo performance in a close to OEM location that can reuse the inlet hose, TMIC (and OEM location FMIC kits) and OEM location header. A new dump pipe is required and supplied with the kit. This being very attractive to people that have already invested in OEM location parts.

Any results of this Spoolinator kit that are better than a rotated setup can be attributed to the Tial housing.

Is that right?
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That's correct
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To summarise the Killer B Spoolinator Turbo kit: it is designed to give rotated turbo performance in a close to OEM location that can reuse the inlet hose, TMIC (and OEM location FMIC kits) and OEM location header. A new dump pipe is required and supplied with the kit. This being very attractive to people that have already invested in OEM location parts.

Any results of this Spoolinator kit that are better than a rotated setup can be attributed to the Tial housing.

Is that right?
Not exactly.... it's not just the Tial housing but also the placement. The difference is the Spoolinator places the turbo lower than most rotated setups so the downpipe coming off the turbo has a pretty gentle bend resulting in low pressure drop.
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Not exactly.... it's not just the Tial housing but also the placement. The difference is the Spoolinator places the turbo lower than most rotated setups so the downpipe coming off the turbo has a pretty gentle bend resulting in low pressure drop.

Good point. Its not about the tial housing as you can use one on a rotated setup as I am.
The spoolinator might have a dp that is slightly straighter then a rotated counterpart but, it still uses a 3 in oem style inlet tube vs a free flowing 4 in tube and filter
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A new down pipe is required and supplied with the kit.
Edited The dump tube that comes on your existing EWG up-pipe should be fine.

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Good point. Its not about the tial housing as you can use one on a rotated setup as I am.
The spoolinator might have a dp that is slightly straighter then a rotated counterpart but, it still uses a 3 in oem style inlet tube vs a free flowing 4 in tube and filter
4" is a 'common inlet standard', but that doesn't mean it's a limiting factor by any means. Although at some point of monstrosity it likely would be. Some may argue the larger inlet is turbulent vs a design with strictly performance in mind. Case in point, our big power shop car is running a GTX3582-R making +700whp, with an extremely wide powerband, with a KBM designed and modified 3" compressor inlet.

Keep in mind, the actually compressor wheel inlet is much smaller than 3". For a 3576 it's ~2.3" if I remember correctly. The 3" silicone inlets also have a larger diameter at the 90 bend improving flow potential. My point here is that we've not seen the inlet as a limiting factor for power on the Spoolinator.

On the Downpipe, it really depends on whose rotated kit you're comparing. Typically the larger the turbo the higher and more rotated they are. With that comes a sharper bend at the downpipe. Some even have mitered sharp bends which is about the least ideal thing you can do. A good thing to also remember is poor characteristics on the hot side have a more pronounced effect on efficiency than poor characteristics on the cold side. IMO, this means the exhaust side of things takes priority in the layout of the design.

While I've seen rotated kits produce similar power figures, I've not seen them produce similar power bands (usable power), or width of the power curve. This is likely due to the Tial housing, smaller pre-turbo volume, and more ideal conditions at the turbine exit. Response improvements via OEM/TMIC location are subject to debate as power levels can be at a point where a TMIC can be overwhelmed due to size constraints. We've not tested the kit with a FMIC, but the response and cooling differences with that change are well documented.
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