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Old 06-23-2016, 12:39 AM   #1
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Hey everyone, so basically like the title says, who has this turbo and is running some nice numbers?

Currently, I'm on a street tune at 18-19psi, so I only have a taste of what it has to offer. My tuner said it should be around 380-400whp at this boost range. I have an 04 STI with pretty much full boltons, stock cams. Need to build my engine before I turn her up to 28 pounds.

Also, I notice that the turbo starts to spool for me around 4000-4200 rpm, I know this is likely due to my FMIC routing ( I have the Blitz), but with the increased boost, would it be likely that the increase pressure would have a positive effect on spool up? At minimum it should drop it down a bit as the turbo is limited to 18lbs.

Last thought - Whats the major difference in terms of power between the HTZ and the new XR HTZ Black. I know the HTZ is JB, and the XR is a BB turbo, but is that the only major difference (power wise etc...)
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Old 06-23-2016, 04:17 PM   #2
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Mine makes over 500who on pump and over 600 on e85
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:34 PM   #3
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whats your power band look like? I'm looking at that turbo as well
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Old 06-24-2016, 11:47 PM   #4
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It makes 300wtq by 3900 and it revs out to 8500. Keep in mind though that I bought top tier products on everything on this build though so I spent quite a bit more than could with a stock location build.
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Old 06-27-2016, 08:12 AM   #5
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It makes 300wtq by 3900 and it revs out to 8500. Keep in mind though that I bought top tier products on everything on this build though so I spent quite a bit more than could with a stock location build.
Dyno?
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Old 06-27-2016, 02:16 PM   #6
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Yes. I think it's a dyno dynamics, unsure in the calibration though.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:12 AM   #7
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Also, I notice that the turbo starts to spool for me around 4000-4200 rpm, I know this is likely due to my FMIC routing ( I have the Blitz), but with the increased boost, would it be likely that the increase pressure would have a positive effect on spool up? At minimum it should drop it down a bit as the turbo is limited to 18lbs.
Increasing your max boost level wont help it spool faster.
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:12 AM   #8
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Yes. I think it's a dyno dynamics, unsure in the calibration though.
I think he is asking for a dyno sheet
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Old 06-28-2016, 01:33 AM   #9
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Sorry long day lol I'll upload if I can find it. There's a guy with the same turbo and almost same mods as mine that Jr tuned I know his thread has a dyno sheet that shows pretty similar results as mine.
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Old 06-28-2016, 09:48 AM   #10
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...light=fp+black

This is the XR FP Black though - So its BallBearing
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Old 06-28-2016, 11:57 AM   #11
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It makes 300wtq by 3900 and it revs out to 8500. Keep in mind though that I bought top tier products on everything on this build though so I spent quite a bit more than could with a stock location build.
+2 on your dyno sheet.

Id really like to see your power band with you saying it pulls to 8500.....every other graph I've seen nose dives pretty hard past 7k even with built heads
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Old 06-28-2016, 03:56 PM   #12
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My car does have stage v heads from iag so that does help. It does fall off but not as bad as you'd think. I'll see if I can find it for you guys.
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Old 06-29-2016, 11:15 AM   #13
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I am running a built block and an FP black put down about 456HP on e85 on 26psi, has been turned up since then to about 30psi and with a new set of headers we will be cranking it up even more....

Since turning it up we haven't dyno'd it... but the trusty butt dyno says about 520 I'll get it on the rollers sometime soon here


on our dyno here at MAP.
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Old 07-31-2016, 01:49 PM   #14
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I made 503whp & 478wtq at 28psi on E75. Much less than I wanted to. This is with a built IAG Stage 2 Tuff block and completely stock heads.




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Old 07-31-2016, 06:41 PM   #15
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What other modifications do you have?
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Old 08-01-2016, 12:41 PM   #16
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What other modifications do you have?
Full bolt ons.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2778143
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Old 08-01-2016, 05:33 PM   #17
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Looks like your fuel system and tmic is hold you back, not to mention stock sleeves so that doesn't help if you want to push the envelope.
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Old 08-01-2016, 06:25 PM   #18
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Looks like your fuel system and tmic is hold you back, not to mention stock sleeves so that doesn't help if you want to push the envelope.
I'm on ID2000's and have an ETS 3.5" FMIC kit.
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Old 08-02-2016, 12:17 PM   #19
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Is that AFR right?! That looks pretty lean even for E.
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Old 08-04-2016, 05:30 PM   #20
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Is that AFR right?! That looks pretty lean even for E.
AFR was 11.5-11.8 through the Cobb and monitoring on the AEM wideband.
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Old 08-04-2016, 05:32 PM   #21
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Looks like your fuel system and tmic is hold you back, not to mention stock sleeves so that doesn't help if you want to push the envelope.
In 1-2 months I will have new #'s. Adding Kelford 264 cams and swapping from the 8cm back housing to the 10cm.
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Old 09-26-2017, 09:23 AM   #22
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Hey everyone, so basically like the title says, who has this turbo and is running some nice numbers?

Currently, I'm on a street tune at 18-19psi, so I only have a taste of what it has to offer. My tuner said it should be around 380-400whp at this boost range. I have an 04 STI with pretty much full boltons, stock cams. Need to build my engine before I turn her up to 28 pounds.

Also, I notice that the turbo starts to spool for me around 4000-4200 rpm, I know this is likely due to my FMIC routing ( I have the Blitz), but with the increased boost, would it be likely that the increase pressure would have a positive effect on spool up? At minimum it should drop it down a bit as the turbo is limited to 18lbs.

Last thought - Whats the major difference in terms of power between the HTZ and the new XR HTZ Black. I know the HTZ is JB, and the XR is a BB turbo, but is that the only major difference (power wise etc...)
I emailed FP regarding HTZ Black specs for my 2011 STi. The tech recommended 9cm and 10cm be exclusively for drag, or at the very least for that incorp anti-lag set up and the sort. The 8cm is offered only in journal bearing, BB being for 9cm, 10cm comes in a journal as well.

FP's tech cited approx 20-30hp top-end loss by using 8cm opposed to 10cm. He couldn't speculate spool time because, even w/TMIC, it was mere guessing. I have an 8cm Blouch 1.5XT-R though, and if it's anything close, spooling up starts taking effect late 3k's.
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:04 PM   #23
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I emailed FP regarding HTZ Black specs for my 2011 STi. The tech recommended 9cm and 10cm be exclusively for drag, or at the very least for that incorp anti-lag set up and the sort. The 8cm is offered only in journal bearing, BB being for 9cm, 10cm comes in a journal as well.

FP's tech cited approx 20-30hp top-end loss by using 8cm opposed to 10cm. He couldn't speculate spool time because, even w/TMIC, it was mere guessing. I have an 8cm Blouch 1.5XT-R though, and if it's anything close, spooling up starts taking effect late 3k's.

The XR will spool around 2-300rpm slower but is capable of making 200whp more then the 1.5XT. The XR can also make the same power as a 1.5XT on E85, on 93oct as well.

I would not waste any money on a BT turbo. The JB stuff is HALF the price and works as good if not better. The XR line blows them clean out of the water.
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Old 03-01-2018, 01:57 PM   #24
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Ended up w/8cm. Right away put my stock clutch out, which was fine since I had ACT 6-puck at the ready. Good times.

Made about 450/440 on Mustang, E85, ID1700, Walbro 450, ETS TMIC, all bolt-ons. My tuner later reduced IAT interference for winter & had boost target 24psi to 26psi. Definitely noticeable with PA's cold ass.

Thinking Treadstone FMIC. Something obscenely huge, but <1.5psi drop *and* account for future HP CFMs; so, 1.5 CFM per 1HP, Black's top out w/head work and cams will be about something 650-ish? Approx 1,100 CFM then. But I want an FMIC that wraps around my car twice. Guess we'll need to rotate.
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Old 03-01-2018, 09:42 PM   #25
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I put down 540 on a dyno dynamics and 603 on a dynojet. Full boost is around 4500. Turbo feels great. Out starts building boost around 3500 or so. This is on fuse 117/e85. Turbo is the 9cm with 2000cc injectors and bc 280 cams.
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