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Old 01-10-2019, 08:07 PM   #1
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Default How many miles are too many miles on a new car

You get to the dealership to test drive that new performance car that you want to buy. You get in, start her up, and see that it's already got 50 miles on the odometer. The optimistic you says "well that's not too bad", but then skepticism sets in and you wonder how many other people have driven that car. And how many of them have dogged the crap of out of that brand new engine at the encouragement of unknowing or uncaring salespeople wanting show them how fast the car is.

So I ask; how many miles is too many miles on a performance oriented vehicle before you tell them nope.

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Old 01-10-2019, 08:28 PM   #2
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50 miles is a lot of miles but then if you're in a hurry take it. It's not like the old time bug eye WRX with glass transmission. Chances are you're fine.

Cars like the GT-R are track tested before it leaves the factory at basically full power.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:43 PM   #3
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Also take a look at where the car was delivered to. It could be a dealer exchange situation. I would be more apt to have that than 50 miles of test drives. If itís the wrx or STI check to see what the max psi was if it hasnít been reset.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:57 PM   #4
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I think 100 would be the max. It would also depend on how long it was in the dealerís hands. Say it was 100 in 5 months, averaging 20 miles a month. Iíd say thatís ok. Even if they ran the snot out of it at full boost, it has a warranty. Most engines require little break-in because of advances in lubricants and metallurgy. The official break-in is just a suggestion. Iíve never heard someoneís warranty being voided or a car being a total lemon because the break-in wasnít strictly adhered to.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:36 PM   #5
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I had one as a dealer swap from Maine. Dealer asked if 200 miles was ok. I said fine.
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Old 01-11-2019, 09:49 AM   #6
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If you're that concerned, then just order the vehicle. Sure you'll wait a few months, but if you're in a hurry then 50 miles isn't going to be a hindrance either.
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Old 01-11-2019, 10:19 AM   #7
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I bought a new honda pilot with a few hundred on it.
Didn't matter to me that a bunch of chicks test drove it.

For my STI I specifically stated I didn't want one used for test drives because for that type of car the salesman don't give a crap as you said and all the 22 year olds flog it without even warming it up.
That mattered to me.
I believe in the need for a gradual run in
Some people don't care either way.
Total personal opinion.
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Old 01-11-2019, 12:09 PM   #8
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I had one as a dealer swap from Maine. Dealer asked if 200 miles was ok. I said fine.
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Just curious, what dealer did you get the car from, in Maine?
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Old 01-11-2019, 01:12 PM   #9
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When we bought my Wifeís car, the dealer had used it as a loaner to one of the executives at the dealership that looked like he was in his 70s. Had 1000 miles on it and they sold it to us below the blue book value of a used car with same year, mileage and features. Thought it was a good deal. Essentially a new car and we lost no value to us driving it off the lot.
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Old 01-12-2019, 02:03 AM   #10
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I am looking for a new STI and I was actually wondering the same thing! To me, 50 miles would be the max, you just don't know who has been driving it. More importantly, I have seen cars with 30 miles with so many damn swirls in the paint, hate the way they prepare these new cars for sale. You assume you could polish it all out, but still, frustrating to see.
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Old 01-12-2019, 09:50 AM   #11
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Yeah, the first thing I do after buying a new car is detailing it. Sad but dealers just don't know how to handle modern paint. And also watch out for the tire dressing sling. They put waaaay too much of that stuff on the car and there will be visible stains on lighter color panels if you dont remove it right away.
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:48 AM   #12
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Yeah, the first thing I do after buying a new car is detailing it. Sad but dealers just don't know how to handle modern paint. And also watch out for the tire dressing sling. They put waaaay too much of that stuff on the car and there will be visible stains on lighter color panels if you dont remove it right away.
Detail it, get clear protective tape put on and the ceramic coat it (especially if a dark color prone to swirls).
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Old 01-12-2019, 10:53 AM   #13
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Yeah, good ideas. I installed clearbra at home too and applied sealant.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:18 PM   #14
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Mine had 60mi on it when I bought it and probably 15 of those were from my test drive. I was okay with that. I'd say 100 for a sporty car would be my max. If it was a truck or SUV maybe 250-300 for a new one.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:44 PM   #15
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Mine was a dealer trade with 300 miles from the transport. I just (tried to bluff them) and told them it better be a responsible driver. IT turned out OK. If you can destroy a car in 50 miles then I buy another brand. I doubt a dealer would let a test driver do a redline clutch dump, that might be a problem, LOL.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:20 PM   #16
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Mine was a dealer trade with 300 miles from the transport. I just (tried to bluff them) and told them it better be a responsible driver. IT turned out OK. If you can destroy a car in 50 miles then I buy another brand. I doubt a dealer would let a test driver do a redline clutch dump, that might be a problem, LOL.
A sales person only cares about making a sale and getting a commission. If they think letting the test driver abuse the car will make them want to buy it, of course they will allow it. The dealership's management may not approve of abusive test drives, but that means nothing to the sales person.

I know alot of people will say "who cares, its under warranty", but those people don't have much experience how much of a PITA it is to get warranty work done, done correctly, and without the techs messing up other things, that may or not get fixed with several future visits.

The best thing you can do is order one, instead of just buying one off the lot. You will get exactly what you want, without any extra overpriced options or accessories that you don't want. You will be able to negotiate a better price, as dealers are typically more open to negotiating orders vs inventory, because inventory moves so fast on WRXs, they have no need to discount, and the order doesn't go against their monthly allotment. You can also make sure they don't drill your bumper and use wood screws to attach your license plate frame, as well as ask the dealer to not ruin your finish with their horrible detailing practices.

I ordered my 2016 Limited, and paid $29,700 for it (MSRP was $31,190), with no haggling. When my car arrived, it had 4 miles on the ODO. I asked the dealer not to remove the plastic protective wrap on the interior or exterior, and made sure they didn't wash, detail, or drill the bumper. They even let me fill the first tank of gas (which they paid for). Of course I wasn't able to know how my car was treated between the time it left the factory floor, and was delivered to the dealer, but it felt good knowing no port techs installing accessories or dealership jockies had a chance to mess with or abuse my car.







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Old 01-16-2019, 02:26 PM   #17
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Sometimes leaving that plastic on longer than it needs to be actually is bad for paint. The humidity gets in there and spoils the clearcoat. My brother had an '01 Firehawk that he did the same for: asked for him tone the one to prep. It was hazy in the spots under the plastic.
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Old 01-16-2019, 02:37 PM   #18
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I've bought 2 brand new WRX's with 'higher miles'

- 2010 base; had 315mi at delivery (200 from dealer trade). While this car never had any issues/warranty claims, knowing it had a fair amount of test drive milage just felt kind of cruddy.

- 2018 base; had 160mi at delivery (155 from dealer trade). Again, no issues at all with the car. This one didnt bug me as much because its obvious all the miles came from a dealer trade (the google maps directions between the dealers was literally 7 miles less than the odo and the car still had plastic covering over the passenger seats)

An unfortunate aspect of Subaru being a smaller company means that a good portion of the new car inventory seems to get switched between dealers at some point.

Another thing to think about - if you feel that 20-30 miles of less than ideal test drives on a car would dramatically affect its long term longevity.. do you really want to spend money buying a car that you feel is that 'fragile'?
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Old 01-16-2019, 02:44 PM   #19
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Most of this is happening between your ears and has less to have to do with the car IMO.

911 s get test drives, come on.
Life is full of reasonable risks with no guarantee no matter the miles, even 0.
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Old 01-16-2019, 07:11 PM   #20
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New cars are expensive, so when I pay new car money, I expect to get a new car with very limited miles on and no damage or messed up paint. My 2016 WRX had a little past 6 miles on the odometer.

In the end it meant nothing for reliability as my car had quite a few issues lol.
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Old 01-16-2019, 07:23 PM   #21
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New cars are expensive, so when I pay new car money, I expect to get a new car with very limited miles on and no damage or messed up paint. My 2016 WRX had a little past 6 miles on the odometer.

In the end it meant nothing for reliability as my car had quite a few issues lol.
For me it isnít the reliability factor, itís the fact that I am able to finally afford a new car, I want to know exactly has happened every mile.
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Old 01-16-2019, 07:31 PM   #22
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New cars are expensive, so when I pay new car money, I expect to get a new car with very limited miles on and no damage or messed up paint. My 2016 WRX had a little past 6 miles on the odometer.

In the end it meant nothing for reliability as my car had quite a few issues lol.
Thank you for being honest enough to make the point I am making.
Now if I could identify issues like swirled paint then I might pass or get compensated.
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Old 01-16-2019, 07:49 PM   #23
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100 would be the maximum for me.
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