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Old 07-27-2014, 02:01 AM   #101
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Hello all. Thanks for all the PMs, sorry I haven't been able to respond individually just too busy. Also thanks to quantum13 for pointing me over here to this thread. clamsjager buddy miss the old 3gwrx days...see you got a '15 nice! Still driving my old Lexus (with JDM folding mirrors of course) will get back to a Subaru some day...

So I haven't had any time to make harnesses it was fun I made a few runs of 20 or so each. The info is out there for the parts you guys have everything except the 1mm pins to snap into the stock mirror plug. It does look like the previous source, Andy at GaugeTek (gtboostgauge.com) might not stock those parts anymore. Might still be worth contacting him to see if he has any left? Last time I did a run of harnesses he dug some up for me out of his stock. Otherwise, if you can find a source of these, they are going to want you to order 1000s at a time usually. So another option here, what I used to do for my own projects...go to the boneyard, find some old Subarus or Nissans, clip some connectors, and harvest the pins. Clip a terminal and some wire off, and solder it to the new harness you make. Not quite as clean but a nice shrink tubed solder joint is fine. Lucky for me I almost set my WRX interior on fire and when they replaced the harness I asked for the old one so I have like 8 million terminals to harvest but that is a story for another day.

I see from the pics the Limited there looks like it has the wires in the door harness for the JDM folding mirrors, very common on the japan built Subarus. I have a set of 2013 JDM Impreza folding mirrors in the basement...no takers yet but now the WRX/STI is out parhaps someone wants to give it a go? Very similar to the 3g I'm sure. Otherwise I can keep them for my 2017 FA25DIT STI ha.

A comment on the Forester mirror accessories, I do believe the Forester mirrors are the same size now as the USDM Impreza. So you could put the dimming accessory mirror glass on a WRX/STI, though the car will not be wired for them like a Forester, so you'd need to get the dimming signal out there somehow. Might be complicated. I have dimming mirrors on my Lexus, the inside mirror does the dimming and sends a signal to the outside mirrors, that is likely how these work. So the Impreza would need to have an inside mirror that can do this, which would hopefully be another part it shares with the Forester. At any rate the dimming circuit dims the mirror sloooowly...do not put a straight 12V to the dimming to check if it works...found that out the hard way.

Hope that helps, good luck with your mirror signaling!
your time is much appreciated; harvesting bits off of wrecked cars is a damn good idea; just cutting one harness out of a door pretty much would take care of it! you're right - a heat shrinked solder joint will do fine
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Old 07-27-2014, 03:33 AM   #102
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well... i placed my order for the subaru bits. we'll see how it goes! even if i dont get the inserts for the harness, something like a T-tap should work to pull the power off the harness while still being able to remove the wire in case that should ever be needed:

http://www.posi-lock.com/posiplug.html
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Old 07-27-2014, 03:56 AM   #103
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That I don't know I was just commenting on the post.

IMO it seems that the factory wiring harness is pre wired but from the side mirror on the WRX it is not.

It looks like if you flip the bill to get the whole STI mirror assembly you'll get the connector and it'll just plug right into the WRX harness and you'll have turn signal mirrors (again just my assumption; buy at your own risk)

When my car comes in I will buy a whole sti limited side mirror assy. And see if the blinkers work, if not I'll return it. From what I understand so far the extra set of wires is either for side blinkers or power fold. That is something I hope to find out before my car arrives.
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:09 AM   #104
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power6 - would any of these connectors work in that harness?

http://easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__...onnectors.html

in any case, beaver power actually carries Posi-Lock stuff. thats how i'm going to tap into the wiring (right by the harness connector) rather than screw around with those pins. these are superior to vampire taps; they don't screw up the existing wire. the addon wire is removable so if any work ever needs to be done, it's not a permanent splice. in fact, the whole connector is reusable. cool!

http://easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__...posi-lock.html

PTA2022 should be the right size

that and the 2P090WP-MT female half should do it for the wiring. http://easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__...-MT/sm-mt.html

only issue is that he requires a 20 dollar minimum order. the connectors and extra pins will only bring you to about 5 bucks; the posi-lock connectors won't get you to 20; just buy some extra posi-lock connectors to get you to 20. the 14-16awg taps and butt splices come in handy for wiring up a hella supertone setup, for example...

i was gonna pick up some 20awg wire, maybe 22 - that should take care of it! the fun part will be crimping those pins for that connector. i HIGHLY suggest scrolling to the bottom of the page with the white connector and picking up extra pins so you can afford to screw up. definitely not going to be buying a 70 dollar crimper; i'll be using what i have so it may take a few tries to get a passable crimp with my tool from home depot

now that this little stuff is ordered, the install should be very straightforward. clamsjager's video is very helpful; with the info from that impreza thread (for the bits/connectors) it looks like we've got a solid write up here

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Old 07-27-2014, 04:18 AM   #105
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i was wondering about those screws though; is that something you need to secure the LED light module to the frame before you can snap on the cap? thats the only thing i can think of since everything else should already be ON the mirror
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Old 07-27-2014, 08:16 AM   #106
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You have to screw the light to the housing before you pop the caps back on.
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Old 07-27-2014, 11:47 AM   #107
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power6 - would any of these connectors work in that harness?

http://easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__...onnectors.html
lol, based on
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=154
he said 1mm Yazaki terminal so shouldn't you be looking here: http://easternbeaver.com/Main/Elec__...onnectors.html

1mm = .040 inches

My guess is those would work although it's a shame the website calls them "Spare 090K-SMHM Terminals" then the individual items say 040 Female.

Here are Yazaki exact specs with dimensions so you can help be sure.
http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...list&select=XX

I assume we need female terminals given everything I've seen online but just in case we are talking about male terminals too here it is as well.
http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...list&select=XX




Please consider my post brainstorming,not as facts, as I have nothing in hand.

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Old 07-27-2014, 11:57 AM   #108
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When my car comes in I will buy a whole sti limited side mirror assy. And see if the blinkers work, if not I'll return it. From what I understand so far the extra set of wires is either for side blinkers or power fold. That is something I hope to find out before my car arrives.

Nice please update in this thread or shoot me a PM. I'd love to know myself.
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Old 07-27-2014, 12:11 PM   #109
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If the above info is correct here is Digi-Key's part

http://www.digikey.com/product-detai...8CT-ND/3488609
Below are the 3d model and technical diagram for the above part.
http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentD...ocLang=English
http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentD...ocLang=English
Looking at the PDF documents it seems to be a match. And they do sell quantity one.

There seem to be three different 040 (1mm) series and all are shown here
http://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/pa...d-series/27079

Does anyone think this is the correct part or think it is one of the other two?

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Old 07-27-2014, 01:01 PM   #110
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yes it would seem that the .40 terminals would be more likely match. it was 2AM; i didn't do the math. in any case, i'm not messing with the terminals (too much uncertainty; then you have to fit the pins in the connector in the door, no room for mistakes - too much effort to get yet another set of crimps right, etc) so i figured i'd just note that i found pins/connectors on that site. perhaps the purveyor of that site would know where to get the Yazaki bits?

as for the digikey parts, its possible but i'm not certain. i would think you'd need the same brand as the connector (Yazaki) as even a slight variation in any dimension (not just overall but any piece of it) would result in it not working with the harness plug. the digikey parts seemed to be more geared toward mating with pins on PC boards but that's not to say it wouldnt work for sure. you could always buy 'em and give it a shot? problem is then you might get the wrong pin stuck in that harness...not worth the risk probably
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If I have the correct Yazaki part listed in the above pictures that digikey part should work. There should be no chance of getting a terminal stuck in the connector because there are retention clips that pop off and all the pins then slide right out.

Power6 shows how to remove the pin locks here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...7&postcount=81
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You guys might be on the right track for the terminals...somebody has got to have something one can buy in small quantities.

The exact terminal part is Yazaki 7116-4231-02. Never found a source I could buy hobby quantities other than Gaugetek. I do think there are other compatible ones, I think there is a Tyco terminal part that may be compatible. You can google that Yazaki part no and get the specs to compare to other terminals, just takes time to compare the drawings. I do believe I tried some 040 series terminals from Eastern Beaver and they did not fit.

edit: DDS4 You remind me, I think AMP makes compatible terminals, the stock mirror harnesses may in fact have terminals that have AMP stamped on them if you look close enough. The ones you picked out don't seem to be the ones just going by what I know, there should be an open slot on top of the terminal where the terminal lock catches in the connector housing. That was the problem with the ones I tried that didn't work, the terminal slid in fine but it didn't catch the lock.

Additional info: I used 22ga automotive TXL wire, matching the thin wiring in the mirror helps make it easy to snake the wiring through. If you want to do it OEM correct you take apart the mirror and snake the wires through the sheathing. IIRC the wire length I used was 27" which was long enough for the 2012 Impreza mirrors (harness is longer then the older models due to the tall door mount)

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There were three types of 1mm connectors there so maybe the other two could be a better fit.

Thanks for the wiresize info.
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If I have the correct Yazaki part listed in the above pictures that digikey part should work. There should be no chance of getting a terminal stuck in the connector because there are retention clips that pop off and all the pins then slide right out.

Power6 shows how to remove the pin locks here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...7&postcount=81
yes that's right - i remember seeing that now. seems low risk then; in my head i was thinking it was one of those 'once it's in, its never coming back out' kind of things. but since those clips come right off there is little risk other than wasted time
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TXL wiring, eh - something new to research/learn/find. something tells me you don't just buy that at autozone
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Saw these while searching for mirrors. They are made for the BRZ/FSR, but perhaps they'll work. Seem pretty slick. DRL's, Signals and puddle lamps. What you do guys think? You can get the pair painted for about $300

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXoDoNOp588
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You guys might be on the right track for the terminals...somebody has got to have something one can buy in small quantities.

The exact terminal part is Yazaki 7116-4231-02.
I just looked up the difference between the -08 I listed and -02 that you listed. The difference is one is gold plated and the other is tin plated.


http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...list&select=XX
http://connectors-catalog.sys.yzk.co...list&select=XX

The diagrams appear identical. The first one is the TE from Digikey. The second diagram is 7116-4231-02 from Yazaki.
Both are also listed as .040 III parts. Digikey no longer has a minimum order and you can buy 1 at a time. It would be nice to buy everything from one vendor. I have not looked for the other part yet.



I am convinced this is correct so I am going to start tracking the other part down.

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That is awesome. I will keep watching this thread do want to know where there is a good source for new terminals!

Obviously you have figured the gold plating isn't needed. I found on my Lexus they use gold plated terminals on the mirror memory wires, must be the resistance sensing of the position sensors requires the gold plated terminals. Something you don't have to worry about with the Subaru ;-)
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Does Lexus have better paint than Subaru as well? I have used Digikey since the late 1980's. lol
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I am convinced this is correct so I am going to start tracking the other part down.
the measurements that are shown do appear to match exactly. this would be a very clean install if those pins end up working out.

if you end up with confirmation that those pins are correct i may do it that way rather than with the posi-lock taps (whatever they're called).

i've already placed my order for the lights and for the taps but we'll see how long it takes for me to get to it...
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Keep us posted, if they do work out I'll add to first post.
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Does Lexus have better paint than Subaru as well? I have used Digikey since the late 1980's. lol
Haha yeah I have only a couple paint chips on the front end, on a 2001 with 120k miles. Subaru on the other hand...well you know just buy the clearbra worked well on my 09.

I remember seeing those old Digikey catalogs bigger than the Manahattan phone book.
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1 - Does anyone know if the harness to the Mirror lights has extra pins?
2 - If so are they for blinkers?
3 -Has anyone attempted to see of a full mirror assembly from a limited sti would work as Plug&Play?

I would like to find this out before I decide to cut wires and take the assembly apart.

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There is no need to cut any wires, you just would need to add 2 wires to the mirror side harness, wires are already in the door side harness.

someone in the thread is ordering a STI limited mirror assembly to test with.

not sure what headlight harness has to do with anything in this thread.
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I may back off for now. I am certain that Digikey part is correct and we know the connector from Easternbeaver is correct so I think that's the best solution. It's a shame one vendor could not be found for everything.

My car comes in at the end of august and I am getting Xpel Ultimate and Opti-coat applied to it. I thought I had painted mirror caps lined up through my dealer and their paint shop but it fell through for now. I wanted them painted for at least 30 days before I got the car because you don't put xpel and opti on fresh paint.

To add aggravation one of the online dealers that "sells at 25% off list" upped the shipping charges of the WRX lip spoiler to $100! Pretty bad thing to do after having a transaction go through. Two massive failures in two days. I'd rather ram an unpainted lip spoiler into the ground instead of a painted bumper so I'm going to talk to the local dealers and see if I can get one soon. Sorry for complaining about stuff not related to this thread.

clamsjager,
When I said you post was the most helpful one earlier I really did mean it as it finally allowed me to track down the proper terminal. Anyhow I'll probably try this again next spring.

I"m sure the parts listed here or buying the sti mirror body will provide the needed finished power connection to the blinker.
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