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Old 10-10-2019, 04:55 PM   #1151
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What do you understand from your quoted post? Conjecture guesses and assertions based on your biased opinion in regards to Subaru is hardly considered fact. Here or anywhere. SoD calling out someone's behavior by characterizing you as some Joe Friday is laughable considering what you posted right after.

No offense to you. But where there's nothing, we can only guess. If you have first hand knowledge of Subaru's actions please provide it. Otherwise a mouthpiece is just a mouthpiece.

I get that; but, what does it have to do with me asking Pre to elaborate on ground clearance he typically chides? The other statement was about me wanting to know more before giving an opinion. It's still just an opinion and I've never expected anyone to take it otherwise. If I do have some info, I'll say it as such. Insider info, unfortunately, I won't be sharing here. Made that mistake once. The last one you are referring to was another opinion. And was, I thought, clearly stated that I simply didn't agree with some wording in a post.
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Old 10-10-2019, 05:37 PM   #1152
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It's Justy doing this repetitively. This is like, I dunno, the hundredth time. "EXPLAIN THIS!" A simple statement but asks you to "elaborate". I didn't know he was the teacher and we were all his students or that we need to explain simple statements to his pleasure and request.
Try to think a little bit next time. Were you trying to infer from that statement that I'm requesting OB ground clearance? If so, that's pretty hilarious. For those who can't think: NOT SLAMMED TO THE F'IN GROUND BRAH!
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I get that; but, what does it have to do with me asking Pre to elaborate on ground clearance he typically chides? The other statement was about me wanting to know more before giving an opinion. It's still just an opinion and I've never expected anyone to take it otherwise. If I do have some info, I'll say it as such. Insider info, unfortunately, I won't be sharing here. Made that mistake once. The last one you are referring to was another opinion. And was, I thought, clearly stated that I simply didn't agree with some wording in a post.

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Well, here is another one.
I mean, C'mon. There's not gonna be a test.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:43 PM   #1153
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I mean, C'mon. There's not gonna be a test.
What are you trying to point out here? Seriously. I asked him something and for the shear fact it was me doing it, he throws his ASSumptions about what I was thinking and berates me again. If I had ASSumed what he claims he thought he knew about me, I would have simply made a statement that would have THEN been worthy of the answer he then gave. Instead, I asked him to elaborate before I said anything else. I knew he didn't like SUV/CUV ground clearance; so, when he said that, I was wanting more explanation of what was acceptable to him. I think it's interesting I get chided for "Do I have to explain every little detail" from a statement that doesn't have the detail; yet, I apparently must explain, in detail, each question I post which will likely still get the same type response.....simply because it's "me" asking.


I understand I'm no "official" source and you don't care to take what I say with any weight; but, let me ask you......has any of the info I put out ever been wrong?
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:39 PM   #1154
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When does it end.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:08 PM   #1155
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In my opinion, YES you have to explain EVERY detail of your statements. Why? Because this is a FORUM. I want ALL of your information. That's exactly why I'm here. GIVE ME THE GOODS, YO.
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Old 10-10-2019, 11:18 PM   #1156
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Chill guys....enjoy the video:

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Old 10-11-2019, 01:36 AM   #1157
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At the end of the day it’s just a car and no matter what your stance on the S209, or even mud flaps (lol), is - you’re all still my friends.

Tomorrow my grandmother will be buried, had the viewing today, and it really helped to set a lot of things in perspective. It’s just a car guys, don’t sweat it; I’m confident we’ll have an S210 to tear apart next year lol.
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Old 10-11-2019, 11:36 AM   #1158
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What are you trying to point out here? Seriously. I asked him something and for the shear fact it was me doing it, he throws his ASSumptions about what I was thinking and berates me again. If I had ASSumed what he claims he thought he knew about me, I would have simply made a statement that would have THEN been worthy of the answer he then gave. Instead, I asked him to elaborate before I said anything else. I knew he didn't like SUV/CUV ground clearance; so, when he said that, I was wanting more explanation of what was acceptable to him. I think it's interesting I get chided for "Do I have to explain every little detail" from a statement that doesn't have the detail; yet, I apparently must explain, in detail, each question I post which will likely still get the same type response.....simply because it's "me" asking.


I understand I'm no "official" source and you don't care to take what I say with any weight; but, let me ask you......has any of the info I put out ever been wrong?
Well sir, we were going to this bingo parlor at the YMCA, well one thing led to another, and the instructions got all fouled up.
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Old 10-11-2019, 12:34 PM   #1159
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At the end of the day it’s just a car and no matter what your stance on the S209, or even mud flaps (lol), is - you’re all still my friends.

Tomorrow my grandmother will be buried, had the viewing today, and it really helped to set a lot of things in perspective. It’s just a car guys, don’t sweat it; I’m confident we’ll have an S210 to tear apart next year lol.
My condolences.

And a great point. My wife is an ICU/CCU nurse and sees people of all ages die almost daily. It certainly puts things into perspective.
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Old 10-11-2019, 03:29 PM   #1160
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Perspective. So is this car worth all the trouble homologizing for our market because it has a slightly lower ride height fender flares and wider wheel/tires?

No is the short answer.
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Old 10-11-2019, 03:41 PM   #1161
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Chill guys....enjoy the video:

STI Gymkhana? - YouTube
Thanks for sharing! Shows off the S208's STI bits.

Wonder if we'll get a similar video for the S209?
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Old 10-11-2019, 06:07 PM   #1162
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Perspective. So is this car worth all the trouble homologizing for our market because it has a slightly lower ride height fender flares and wider wheel/tires?

No is the short answer.
Shhhhhhhh...........because of this car, we may get more! Maybe even better!


Never know; but, the door is now at least unlocked...
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:46 PM   #1163
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Why are the front and rear calipers different colors in that promo video lol
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Old 10-11-2019, 08:11 PM   #1164
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If the S208's engine & seats weren't already enough to make me want it..

The video shows a 0-400m time of 12.37.. yes, that's ~2.3 meters (7'8") shorter than the 1/4 mile. The difference in distance would add at most 0.5 seconds.. putting it at ~12.42.


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Old 10-11-2019, 08:55 PM   #1165
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Also, the S208 theoretically has a faster 0-60 mph time because its gearing, tire size & redline allow it to reach ~65 mph in 2nd gear. No need for the extra shift.



The S209 will require a shift to 3rd unless its redline is closer to 7,000 rpm.

Standard EJ257 redline:


If the redline was extended to 7k rpm:


Yes, I know 0-60 mph times are meaningless.. but they look good on a spec sheet and help sell cars

Just an observation.
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Old 10-11-2019, 09:07 PM   #1166
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That last graph is essentially how my STi was tuned, with a 7100 redline. I shifted at 7k, and at the top of 5th I was right at 140... and still accelerating.

Old EJ may be old but done right it is one sweet motor.
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Old 10-11-2019, 09:13 PM   #1167
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Subaru of Japan posted a more comprehensive press release for the S209 today.. go figure.

https://www.subaru.co.jp/press/news-en/2019_10_11_7825/

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STI S209 Features and Specification
Tokyo, October 11, 2019 - Subaru Tecnica International (STI)*1, the wholly-owned motorsports subsidiary of Subaru Corporation, announced the product features and specification of STI S209 (finalized) to be sold in the U.S. market.

*1: Subaru Tecnica International (STI) (President: Yasuo Hiraoka; Based in Mitaka, Tokyo)

Features of STI S209

Suspension System and Wheels/Powertrain
・STI-tuned Bilstein front struts (inverted type) and coil springs
・STI-tuned Bilstein rear dampers and coil springs
・STI-designed BBS 19-inch×9.0J forged aluminum wheels
・Dunlop 265/35R19 Tires
・Brembo ventilated front disc brakes [drilled disc rotors & monobloc opposed-piston 6-pot calipers (silver-painted, with STI logo, STI performance pad)]
・Brembo ventilated rear disc brakes [drilled disc rotors & monobloc opposed-piston 2-pot calipers (silver-painted, with STI logo, STI performance pad)]
・STI-designed flexible tower brace, front
・STI-designed flexible draw stiffeners, front and rear seat back
・STI-designed pillow ball bush rear suspension links (lateral link front and rear)
・STI-designed front suspension supports
・Exhaust valve spring (stronger rate)
・Performance clutch
・High-flow fuel pump and injectors
・High-flow intake duct
・Induction box with conical air filter
・Intake duct pipe (larger diameter)
・High-flow duct boot
・Turbocharger with a larger turbine and compressor
・Performance muffler with lowered back pressure (featuring STI logo)
・Exclusive engine control unit (ECU)
・Performance shroud
・Intercooler water spray (with toggle switch)
・Motul 5W-40 Performance Oil
・Engine solenoid bracket (with serial number)
・Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC) system
・Active Torque Vectoring system
・STI short throw shifter

Controls/Instrument Panel/Warning Lights
・Luminescent instrument panel (with multi-information display and STI logo)
・Multifunctional display (with welcome screen featuring STI logo)
・Central instrument panel visor (leather-like wrapping and silver stitching)
・Ultrasuede®-wrapped steering wheel (with STI logo ornament, silver stitching)
・STI-designed push-type engine starter switch (red with STI logo)
・STI-designed leather-wrapped shift knob (black with STI logo) and shift boot (silver stitching)

Audio
・Six speakers (4 front + 2 rear)
・Starlink 7.0-inch multimedia audio system
・Black roof antenna (shark fin type)

Interior
・Recaro front seats (with silver stitching and accents, STI and S209 logo, heated seats, equipped with supplemental restraint system side airbags)
・Rear seats (with silver stitching and accents)
・Decorative instrument panel (red, with S209 logo)
・Side sill plates (with S209 logo)
・Door arm rests (silver stitching)
・Center console decorative panel (silver stitching)
・Serial number plate (console)
・Sub trunk (with tire repair kit)

Exterior
・Mesh-type front grill (cherry-red stripe with S209 ornament)
・STI underspoiler, front
・STI underspoiler, side
・STI underspoiler, rear quarter
・Side bumper bezels (steel mesh and chrome plating)
・Bumper side canards
・Wide fenders (front and rear)
・Front fender air outlet grill
・Side garnish with S209 logo
・Rear bumper (cherry-red stripe with air outlet grill)
・S209 rear ornament
・Dry carbon-fiber roof
・Black door mirrors
・Dry carbon-fiber rear spoiler (with S209 logo)

Main S209 Specifications (finalized)
Dimensions/Weight
Overall L/W/H: 181.9 × 72.4 × 58.1in.
Tire tread F/R: 60.8in. / 61.2in.
Road clearance: 4.9in.
Curb weight: 3485 lb.
Engine: Type EJ25 horizontally opposed four-cylinder
Max. output: 341 hp
Fuel tank: 15.9 gal
Fuel type: Unleaded premium gasoline
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Old 10-11-2019, 09:14 PM   #1168
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And the S208's press release for comparison.

https://www.subaru.co.jp/press/news-en/2017_10_25_4928/

Some differences.. some of which are just JDM STI differences.

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Main Features of S208

Suspension System and Wheels
STI-tuned Bilstein front struts (DampMatic® II, inverted type) and coil springs
・STI-tuned Bilstein rear dampers and coil springs
・STI-designed BBS 19-inch×8 1/2J forged aluminum wheels (silver)
・255/35R19 92Y tires (Dunlop Sport Maxx RT with special sound-absorbing sponge)
・STI-designed flexible tower brace, front
・STI-designed flexible draw stiffeners, front
・STI-designed front suspension supports
STI-designed rear suspension flexible support subframe (S209 has "upgraded" rear flexible draw stiffener & brace in the trunk)
・STI-designed pillow ball bush rear suspension links (lateral link front inside & rear inside)
・Brembo 18-inch bench-rated front disc brakes [drilled disc rotors & monobloc opposed-piston 6-pot calipers (silver-painted, with STI logo)]
・Brembo 18-inch ventilated rear disc brakes [drilled disc rotors & monobloc opposed-piston 2-pot calipers (silver-painted, with STI logo)]
・Exclusive high-output balanced engine (with serial number and STI Performance ornament) - There are no identical replacement parts available as this is a limited-production car.
・Exclusive engine control unit (ECU)
・Balanced clutch cover and flywheel
Twin scroll ball bearing turbocharger
・Intercooler water spray (with toggle switch)
・Performance muffler with lowered back pressure (featuring STI logo) teamed with exclusive rear exhaust pipe
・STI-designed strengthened silicon intake duct
・Performance shroud
Quick-ratio steering gearbox (11:1)
・Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC) system
・Active Torque Vectoring system
・STI-designed low-pressure-drop air cleaner element
・STI Performance Oil (Motul 5W-40)

Main S208 Specifications
■ Dimensions/Weight
Overall L/W/H (mm): 4,635×1,795×1,470
Tire tread F/R (mm): 1,535 / 1,550
Min. ground clearance (mm): 135 (5.3")
Dry weight (kg) (reference value): 1,510 (3329 lbs) - no fluids
Gross weight (kg) (reference value): 1,785 (lbs)
■ Engine
Type/category: EJ20 horizontally opposed four-cylinder 2.0-liter DOHC 16-valve dual AVCS twin scroll turbo
Max. output (net) [kW(PS)/rpm]: 242 (329) / 7,200 rpm (324.5 hp)
Max. torque (net) [Nm (kgm)/rpm]: 432 (44.0) / 3,200-4,800 rpm (318.6 lb-ft)
Fuel tank capacity (liters): 60
Fuel type: Unleaded premium gasoline

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From STi Japan Website top of the article note:

[Main equipment of S209]
* Pistons and connecting rods have been changed from forging at the development stage to casting.
This change is to improve reliability and durability, and has no effect on performance figures.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:24 PM   #1170
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From STi Japan Website top of the article note:

[Main equipment of S209]
* Pistons and connecting rods have been changed from forging at the development stage to casting.
This change is to improve reliability and durability, and has no effect on performance figures.
Good catch! But the STI's standard connecting rods are forged?

https://www.sti.jp/en/news/detail/191011_en

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Tokyo, October 11, 2019 – Subaru Tecnica International (STI) announced the final features and specifications at the S209 test drive event held for local media in Massachusetts, USA on September 23.

Final Features
Pistons and connecting rods have been changed from forging at the development stage to casting. This change is for improving reliability and durability, and does not affect the target performance.
https://www.sti.jp/en/completecar/S209/
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S209 press releases are getting confusing and their contents are not accurate forged or not, might as well tear down the S209 EJ shortblock just to confirm what's inside...
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One would hope that STI would at least post accurate information on their website about their upcoming halo car, but I guess that's too much to ask.

I even went to the Japanese version of the page to check if it was just something lost in translation.. but that's not the case.

And of course Subaru's press release and media still don't acknowledge the lack of forged pistons. Maybe they're just hoping that we'll forget about it or not notice.
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63,995 + 885 Destination and Delivery

http://media.subaru.com/pressrelease...ition-sti-s209

October 14, 2019 , Camden, N.J. -

SUBARU ANNOUNCES PRICING ON LIMITED-EDITION STI S209

First-ever STI-crafted S-line performance vehicle sold in the United States
Limited production run of 209 vehicles
341-horsepower 2.5-liter SUBARU BOXER engine
Exclusive 19 x 9-inch forged BBS wheels with bespoke Dunlop SP Sport Maxx® GT 600A tires
Brembo brakes with new high-friction pads

Subaru of America, Inc. today announced pricing on the limited-edition STI S209, the first-ever S-line STI produced exclusively for the U.S. market. Sales are limited to 209 vehicles and will arrive at retailers later this year.

As an S-line product, the 2019 STI S209 encompasses upgrades in power, handling, aerodynamics and driver engagement, and is priced at $63,995, plus $885 Destination and Delivery charge.

Designed with a focus on high-performance driving, the S209 draws inspiration and tech transfer from STI’s most formidable track machine: the WRX STI Nürburgring Challenge racecar, which won the SP3T class at the 2019 24 Hours of Nürburgring. The S209, like the Nürburgring Challenge racecar, wears an expanded wide-body exterior treatment, which extends the vehicle’s overall width to 72.4 inches, or 1.7 inches wider than a standard WRX STI. The bulging fenders accommodate wider front/rear tracks (+ 0.6 in front/rear) and 265/35 Dunlop® SP Sport Maxx® GT 600A summer-only tires wrapped around lightweight 19 x 9-inch forged BBS® alloy wheels. Vents on the front fenders provide additional engine cooling, while vents on the rear fenders rectify air turbulence to reduce drag and increase downforce. The limited-edition performance car comes equipped with Brembo® brakes with 6-piston monoblock front calipers and 2-piston monoblock rear calipers that feature cross-drilled steel rotors and upgraded high-friction pads.

Underneath the S209’s broader body are specially developed Bilstein® dampers, stiffened coil springs, a 20mm rear stabilizer bar and pillow-type bushings for the front/rear lateral links. The S209 incorporates reinforcements to the front crossmember and rear subframes and a flexible front-strut tower bar and flexible front/rear draw stiffeners. Other Nürburgring racecar tech that trickles down to the S209: front, rear and side under spoilers; front bumper canards; and carbon-fiber roof panel and rear wing.

A reworked version of the legendary EJ25 2.5-liter turbocharged BOXER engine propels the S209. Featuring an STI turbocharger manufactured by HKS®, the EJ25 serves up 341 horsepower at 6,400 rpm, thanks in part to a larger turbine and compressor (up 6 and 8 percent, respectively, compared to WRX STI) as well as maximum boost pressure that has been increased to 18.9 psi (16.2 psi for WRX STI). The enhanced BOXER engine also receives a notable bump in midrange torque – 330 lb.-ft. at 3,600 rpm – delivering higher corner exit speeds when driving on track.

For ultimate driver engagement, the S209 comes exclusively with a close-ratio 6-speed manual transmission that routes power to a full-time Subaru Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive system with front/rear limited-slip differentials, a Driver Controlled Center Differential (DCCD), Active Torque Vectoring and Multi-Mode Vehicle Dynamics Control. A recalibrated SI-Drive system offers three modes: Intelligent (I) for improved fuel economy and smoother power control; Sport (S) for optimized power balance between response and control; and Sport Sharp (S#) for achieving the best acceleration times. STI engineers recommend Sport over Sport Sharp for circuit driving, as the less aggressive throttle map allows for greater driver control.

To feed more air to the EJ25, the S209 uses a high-flow intake system featuring a new intake duct, induction box with conical air filter and silicone turbo inlet duct. As a nod to the 2004-07 WRX STI, the S209 is fitted with an intercooler water spray system that lowers intercooler temperature via manually operated steering-wheel paddles. More air demands more fuel, so the S209 receives a new high-flow fuel pump, larger fuel injectors and an STI-tuned engine control module. High-performance mufflers deliver 17-percent less airflow resistance while larger hand-polished stainless-steel exhaust tips – 101mm in diameter – deliver aggressive appearance and acoustics.

The S209 receives multiple tweaks to elevate it from other STI sedans. An STI badge replaces the traditional Subaru star cluster on the center of the D-shape steering wheel, which is wrapped in Ultrasuede® with silver stitching, a treatment that carries over to the lid of the center console storage box. An S209 serial number badge resides on the center console and in the engine compartment. Inside, an S209 badge adorns the passenger-side dash and the S209 logo is embossed on the headrests as well as STI logo embroidered on the seat backs of the Recaro® front bucket seats, which feature new silver-hued inserts. Outside, special S209 badges are affixed to the front grille and fenders as well as the rear decklid.

Only 209 of the STI S209 will be built, earmarked exclusively for the U.S. Available exterior color/BBS wheel combinations will be WR Blue Pearl/matte gray wheels and Crystal White Pearl/matte gold wheels.

About Subaru Tecnica International, Inc.
Subaru Tecnica International Inc. (STI), a wholly owned subsidiary of Subaru Corporation of Japan, was established to undertake the motorsports activities of Subaru. Today STI's core businesses are supplying motorsports base vehicles and competition parts; planning, tuning and developing Subaru Limited Edition models; planning and selling accessories; and tuning parts for auto enthusiasts worldwide. Through these operations, STI aims to provide special satisfaction to its many Subaru fans.

About Subaru of America, Inc.
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