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03-31-2010, 03:46 AM | #51 |
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I am also interested to see pics of this.
It is kind of hard to picture how you are going to drill all those holes. If I understand correctly, the way you are going to make it, it will bypass the filter all together. Why don't you just buy a piece of aluminum round stock from somewhere for like $15? What about a thermostat? That is one thing you can't really do yourself. If I was ever going to put an oil cooler on my WRX, I would buy a Mocal filter adapter with a built in thermostat. They are only like $110.
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03-31-2010, 07:27 AM | #52 |
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03-31-2010, 08:34 AM | #53 |
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You really need a t-stat anyway, and an inline is more expensive than a sandwich adapter with one built in. Not to mention if you make one mistake machining a custom sandwich adapter and create a restriction, you just killed your motor. Just concede, buy a mocal thermostatic sandwich adapter, and have a system that actually works.
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03-31-2010, 10:10 AM | #54 |
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$100 vs $20 vs free for something thats probably not going to fail in his application.
Its like.. I better buy a cryogenic treated shot peened grade 5000 $100 racing lug nut next time because well.. you never know right? Hes not spending anything on the project. Its all parts from the garage and custom fab parts. |
03-31-2010, 11:21 AM | #55 | |
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03-31-2010, 12:15 PM | #56 |
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03-31-2010, 12:18 PM | #57 | |
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Plus as a machinist by trade.... its not really going to be a problem. |
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03-31-2010, 12:23 PM | #58 |
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I'm also not planning to use a thermostat unless I find one that is really cheap.
And if I were using one, A housing for it would not be any harder than making the adapter a two piece design. I would just mesh the 2 halves together threaded just like the filter onto the motor, and seal it with an o-ring. It really wouldnt be hard.... AND STILL, I would have complete control over where I would want to put the holes, and how many. And as far as "why don't I just go buy a piece of aluminium stock"... well why spend the money when I can just use junk metal laying around, not spend anything, and go out side of the bounds of my project??? |
03-31-2010, 12:30 PM | #59 | |
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It will go in just like entering the filter. Go through the cooler, then back into the adapter and down into the filter. Then it will come back out and into the motor. It's not a complicated device. It is just a directional piece that has to be created with volumes no less than the area of the smalles piece of the filter. |
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03-31-2010, 11:25 PM | #60 |
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BAM! [/win] OP has a particular plan and hes pretty set on sticking to not buying anything but fabricating everything himself. The thermostat is a good addition however its pretty much just the same insurance of the example I used earlier. Weve already discussed in depth the disadvantages of having oil too cool and the merits of a thermostat but its just not something that will be used.
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04-01-2010, 08:23 AM | #61 |
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And that's a mistake, especially on a street car that will rarely see high enough oil temps to require an external cooler. Do I care? No, it's not my car. But why start a thread if you aren't going to listen to sound advice that's based on experience NOT theory?
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I can definitely agree that he should use a thermostat if hes going with that setup; living in PA there is going to be some super chill oil temps at times if his oil cooling system works out well.
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04-01-2010, 09:09 PM | #63 | |
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And a bypass would be as easy as running a "T" right after the cooler's "in" line, before the checkvalve. Right after the "T" I will have a valve that I can open or close(big enough of course to not restrict anything-and with a locking mechanism to ensure accurate volume.) The 3rd end of the "T" will run to a short hose that connects to a similar "T" in the "out(or back to filter adapter" line. Since the flow will be blocked when the valve is closed the oil will travel out of the adapter, through the 90degree "T" across the short tube and through the other "T" and into the adapter on the other side. Of course the short tube between the 2 "Ts" will have the same on/off valve as in the "in" line... as to ensure flow through the cooler on command. As you can see the flow will not be hindered at all, and the bypass will allow me to control the cooling based on temp/pressure readings. YES... I know it is manual and will require me to get in and out of the car, and I would be doing the same job as the thermostat... but if I decide to get a t-stat in the future, then I can just replace the "in" "T" with a custom housing for the T-stat that will divert the oil from the cooler directly to the "out" line. Remember, with the check valve in the "in" line after the "T"/t-stat housing, the pressure lock created in the remainder of the "in" line and cooler, all the way until the "T" in the "out" line will keep the cooler full, and not hinder the flow of the diverted oil. |
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Like what sort of temperatures? I'm too lazy to go back through the thread, but I don't remember you mentioning anything about having an oil temp gauge or any temperature data. |
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04-01-2010, 09:24 PM | #65 | |
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I was going to ask the same question. I didn't notice anywhere the OP mentioning an oil temp gauge. Could this be one of the parameters from his butt dyno? |
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04-02-2010, 08:22 AM | #66 | |
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Yeah, but he's going to make all of these valves with melted down intercooler bits, so it won't cost him anything!!! This is going to be sooooo much easier than just buying a sandwich adapter with a thermostat in it.
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04-03-2010, 01:51 AM | #68 |
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I am all for experimenting, but you are taking this to far.
Just buy a Mocal one, and be done with it. Ok, the item will be free, but the time you are using for this project could make it more expensive in the end. |
04-12-2010, 01:48 AM | #69 |
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i am honestly tempted to start threads like this, just to see how many people i can piss off as my posts get more and more insane... this guy is the king of it.
either he is, A, flat broke and too lazy to get a job, so hes going to tinker around in his garage all day. or... B, serious about all this, doesn't learn from his own pile for scrap parts, and is interested in seeing how fast he can destroy his new engine. (which he could afford... but cant afford to buy a few simple project bits. so, to add to this cluster****, if your interested in cooling the oil without cooling it too much, why not tap into the existing oil filter coolant lines, add a small pump and a small reservoir, make it all pressurized, and run a separate cooling system for the oil alone with a cooler in the line that you previously thought was an oil line. let me know if that tickles your neurons... if not i have plenty of other suggestions. |
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I reach high 250's often... sometimes higher. (Of course I don't know what I will hit once I get the new motor running with all my mods and then tuned.) Those numbers were on an '02 EJ205: -TBE-Catless(ported[DP/turbine housing mating area]) -Up-pipe(ported) -Ported stock exhaust manifolds/head exits -Ported turbo(turbine entrance and wastgate) -Ported crossover pipe ----all previously listed were ported to match and gasket matched---- -Custom intake(K&N filter) -Custom boost controller -HKS SSQV BOV(Atmospheric) -CX Aluminium Racing Radiator -NGK Platinums -I May have a FMIC set-up by the time I get it running, and who knows what kind of Engine management I'll go with. Gauges: Autometer Cobalt (Boost, Oil Pressure/temp, A/F Ratio, Volts, EGT) Last edited by Maverick7531; 04-13-2010 at 11:19 PM. |
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04-13-2010, 10:36 PM | #71 | |
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THEN, I will decide if I'm gonna make a small sandwich adapter to go under the greddy one, or if I can drill a hole in the side of the greddy one, and insert a tube that will make it a one way unit so I can hook up my cooler. Then finish my STB. |
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It's not a "waste of time" if its fun! I like making stuff, and I'm good at it... Why do all you people have a problem with that... RELLIMMOT is the only one that seems to be using this forum the way its supposed to be used! |
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Through all of your incredibly arrogant and absurdly abusive comments I have still managed to get a lot of information I was looking for.
Its a sad moment that I'm sure many will have when they objectively look at these posts and see what kind of people this community is made up of. It's sickening to think that the world is comprised of people like most of those who posted here. There is no need for comments like the ones in this post... I really don't understand where you think you get off acting the way you have-thinking you know everything-trying to make people do what you want-getting mad when they listen but question what you said/or your logic-and you are to caught up in yourself to see that they are arguing, not to fight, but to rebuttle to find a better answer. I hadn't made any decisions, or came to any firm conclusions throughout this whole post... I just sought out infromation and questioned convention, illiceted thought, and hoped for thoughtful answers. Some gave me that(which is what this community is for.) but to those that just said "do this," or criticized question... you just don't belong, and the sad part is... you will be the ones to reply with something stupid to this message...and you won't even know that you are more of a hinderance than a help. To those that were truely a help, and even to those that were horrible, but incidentally offered good information-I really do thank you, and I hope in the future that the info is more pure and good natured than what was displayed here. I might not be done looking for info... but for now I think I have gotten most of what I need. |
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How's this project coming along? Have you successfully melted the intercoolers and turned them into a free sandwich adapter yet?
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05-31-2010, 10:02 PM | #75 |
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are the glowshift sandwiches junk?
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