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11-05-2012, 11:47 AM | #9826 | |
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I'm loving the shot but I am curious as to what Armin says regarding: A) The cloned background -- maybe you could blend some of those spots so it doesn't look duplicated. The 3 bushes look SO similar that it took my eyes away from the car. B) The middle of the car - where all the black and see-though is -- being on the same horizon level as the trees. For example, I struggled for a second to find the drivers side mrror, but this was only after a first glance.... I have no idea if this is a bad thing though, as for composition purposes it seems to flow very nicely. Anyway, this is overall a sick shot that I have gone back to admire several times.
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11-05-2012, 11:49 AM | #9827 |
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Also can you explain what (if anything) you did in terms of lighting the car. Everything looks so perfectly exposed -- you said you took 5 shots, did you just selectively blend them or was an external light source used?
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11-05-2012, 11:57 AM | #9828 | |
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The drivers side front headlight area looks a little soft. I believe a little clarity increase would go a long way to shore up the lines on the car. EDIT: going back and looking, if you look at the drivers side wheel, it definitely looks soft. Try a clarity increase or maybe Armin can suggest something else? Also, the car is a little too centered, and the horizon line seems to be tilting slightly to the left (could be my eyes ). Did you crop this photo? If so, Maybe crop a little less to really put that car in the bottom right 1/3rd Anyway, I feel you on the 'simple' background, as it's really nice and clean. Also your red car on the fall-colored background looks fantastic!! |
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11-05-2012, 11:59 AM | #9829 |
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11-05-2012, 12:18 PM | #9830 | ||
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most important thing when doing this, layering the car and such, since it begins looking slightly artificial, is painting some light on the ground to give the appearance either a flash is being used (or just to match the brightness all together) its crazy... after doing composites like this, and staring at the image for several hours at a time, you begin to lose yourself in the edit and i have a problem of missing some things (like the similar plants on the right). i got really caught up with making the windows look right and getting the perspective to look right. after all, one of the most important things is to make the car look like its one with the background... just for you guys, here is the before and after: This is where i started. Before: and this is where we ended: After: |
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11-05-2012, 12:30 PM | #9831 | |
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Here's the link the exif info http://www.flickr.com/photos/6670235...in/photostream |
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11-05-2012, 12:34 PM | #9832 | |
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11-05-2012, 12:41 PM | #9833 | |
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That's amazing, I have a completely new level of respect for your editing work after looking at that. Thanks so much for including it. Also, thanks for pointing out your processes. It's always nice to get inside the mind of the photographer and see why you did the things you did (i.e. adding light to the ground to match the car). Amazing. |
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11-05-2012, 12:41 PM | #9834 |
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I don't think it's anything weird. It's just lack of experience and poor technique. My camera gets very noisy over 800 and the background will look extremely grainy, so maybe like you said, the noise reduction may have something to do with it. I'm getting a tripod very soon so I will be avoiding these issues!
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11-05-2012, 12:43 PM | #9835 | |
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INDEED, shooting at 1.8 can have that effect on everything except the thin point of focus. Also, Armin would point out that you'd have no need to shoot at 1600 if you were using a tripod!! Thanks for linking me to your Flickr! Did you add the NR to yourself or was it your camera or lightroom? |
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11-05-2012, 12:50 PM | #9836 | |
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when i have no new car shots to process, i get bored. i go back into my drive and pull out old images that i would have previously scrapped and see what i could do to make them work. here is another one i have worked on, which got some really good feedback on facebook. (its a composite as well, but a pre planned shot) shot the car on the freeway, in a ****ty location. then 5 minutes later i got into the city and saw where i wanted the car... make it happen! |
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11-05-2012, 01:03 PM | #9837 | |
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11-05-2012, 01:55 PM | #9838 | |
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WOW, that's a good idea, a great way to hone skills. That Audi shot is great, I love the feel of it. So, 5 minutes later you saw a spot you liked, snapped a picture of it, then inserted the car later? Awesome man. |
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11-05-2012, 01:56 PM | #9839 |
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On top of that, the AF is definitely not correct, when looking at larger versions on your Flickr. You can see exactly where the focus is because there's a sliver of really sharp ground, but the car is not in that sliver whatsoever. I know your camera isn't the best for AF, but where did you have your focus point set to? If you're on a tripod, you can always just set it to manual focus if your AF isn't working right. It also does appear that your noise reduction (NR) and maybe sharpening is turned up a bit too high, giving it that painted effect. I definitely wouldn't have shot this at ISO 1600 if you're on a tripod. |
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11-05-2012, 01:59 PM | #9841 | |
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in the Audi case, i shot the car at 1/80th to keep it sharp. 5 min later got into the city and saw my spot (i drive by it daily on the way to work) and i snapped the shot at 1/5th to get excessive blur. obviously at those speeds, a roller shot of the car would be pretty much impossible, i am not THAT steady. its quite easy to do if you have what you want in mind already... because in this case, knowing what my car shot looked like on camera, i left the lens at the 35mm i shot with (24-70) and shot at nearly the same angle i shot the car with. this kept the perspective nearly the same.. dropping in the car was easy. |
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11-05-2012, 02:02 PM | #9842 |
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I'm ordering my Manfotto tripod and ball head very soon. I have to read my manual about the focus points. It's extremely frustrating trying to take pics of my kids and the focus isn't where it should be and a car is obviously standing still so it shouldn't be that difficult.
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11-05-2012, 02:07 PM | #9843 | ||
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I just ordered some new strobes. Hoping it will work a little better for on location portraits than my Speedlites. |
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11-05-2012, 02:10 PM | #9844 |
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I don't believe I have a center point option unless that is the default option. I will double check when I get home though
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11-05-2012, 02:14 PM | #9845 | |
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The darkness on the side of the passenger side of the car that makes the yellow muddy also doesn't match at all with the new exposure on the wheels. The wheels stand out just a bit too much...if the wheels are going to be that bright, then the exposure and color balance on that whole side of the car should match it. The background has a few flaws as well. The hedges are too patterned, and there's even some trees that aren't clone properly and have a smudge on them. There's also a bit of banding on the clouds, but it's hard to really critique it unless we can see a higher resolution version. There are also parts of the ground that need more attention to detail...one area is a little too blurry compared to the surrounding area, and there's little pebbles and debris that could easily be cloned out. Am I being nitpicky? Yes...and the reason why is because I know you want to elevate your work to a higher level, and you just aren't going to do that until you fix problems like the ones I mentioned. A good comp is going to look like it was never a comp to start with...while it might be good enough for 99% of the people who look at the photo, you won't reach that higher echelon unless people who do comps on a regular basis can't tell it's a comp. |
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11-05-2012, 02:24 PM | #9846 | |
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11-05-2012, 02:27 PM | #9847 | |
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i knew you'd eat that edit apart. and i thank you (and a few others) with the help man! i will agree to spend more time on future comps, if i decide to do them. and be sure to look everything over and triple check my work. Definitely couldn't have made it to this point without your guidance, my friend. <3 |
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11-05-2012, 02:43 PM | #9848 |
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I need to clone out the leaves on the left but I wanted to try something a little different with this one. Suggestions?
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11-05-2012, 02:58 PM | #9849 | |
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11-05-2012, 03:03 PM | #9850 |
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correct. i carpool to work with my bro. so i was passenger. i let NO ONE drive my car. eff that.
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