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Old 09-15-2021, 12:12 PM   #1851
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Old 09-15-2021, 12:20 PM   #1852
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RS was not a 3 differential system. It is not the same type of AWD system as the STI. Yes, it had a more advanced rear differential for torque vectoring. No one is denying that.
To be fair, Ford did add a Quaife lsd to the front diff for the last 1500 made for U.S. and Canada.
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Old 09-15-2021, 12:47 PM   #1854
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these things should have come with roof rails off the outback.

That would have been the FU more clearly directed at us without all the subterfuge
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Old 09-15-2021, 12:50 PM   #1855
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:03 PM   #1856
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The wheel arch cladding is one thing, but now that rear bumper continues to look worse every time I see it.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:11 PM   #1857
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The new Golf R can only send 50% of power to the rear, and correct, the rears don't overspin compared to the fronts, so no comparison afaiac. And that's a max figure which implies not regular. Not surprised about limp. That happened I guarantee with severe beat downs by journos. It simply needs a cooler and 99% of buyers would never get it to that point anyhow, so it's really moot. I have been tracking on 2 wheels and 4 for over 20 years now. I've never owned anything I didn't have to modify, to some degree, to put up with severe abuse like track days in our 100 degree heat and 90% humidity. Even my sportbikes, literbikes, which are more setup for the track, stock, than any car made, needed water wetter, new brake pads, and perhaps rotors, or master cylinder upgrade along with better fluids, and fins in some cases for the radiator(s).

For cost effectiveness none of this is rocket science. RDU in the rear so real torque vectoring via the shafts, and just put a LSD up front to take care of it in the front. /done. This was an option on the RS (And I was going to buy and install it on my RS if we hadn't figured out the motor let's say, limits) and standard on the final year of production. Quaife made it iirc. And it was $999 from Mountune. That's the inexpensive way to do it. The modern deal with be to set it up at all 4 corners with ICE. That would be my collectors car. I mean that setup with an engine with tuning potential, f me, I'd even buy this POS monstrosity Subaru with the swim platform, if the STi had that setup. I don't know how I'd get over the iPad setup but performance always wins with me.

The realistic hope is that we get the GR Yaris drivetrain, with front and rear LSD's on the GR Corolla. That's Obi Wan, our only hope. I need Torquemada to keep chiming in on dev work on the Yaris overseas and see what that 3 banger turbo is capable of.
GR4 or GR Corolla could be fun.

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To be fair, Ford did add a Quaife lsd to the front diff for the last 1500 made for U.S. and Canada.
I am not sure, is the Quaife LSD better/worse/similar to the STI's helical front differential? The Mountune LSD is also helical.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:28 PM   #1858
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After everything I look at, two things stand out:
1) Tire profile / size is off
2) Don't like the tablet
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:29 PM   #1859
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The more I look at the pics, the more I like it! I can't wait to see it in person. I saw one with a mild drop (photoshop) and it looked amazing. No other changes.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:35 PM   #1860
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Only it hasn't.. Marketing tells us that 'these batteries can be recycled' But what does that mean. Spent cells still must be replaced. The bit of research I have done on this (and I have just scratched the surface) is that recycling batteries is an energy intensive and wasteful process that is just shy of making a whole new battery in its terms of waste and energy consumption.

The transition to EV is not anything like the move from horses to cars.

The car did everything better. Literally everything, and it was exponentially better. It could do more, faster, for more people. The EV does nothing better than an ICE. It is not an improvement. It cannot go further, it cannot tow more, it cannot be filled up as fast, it is not cheaper, It cannot take as many people. It uses less gasoline and that is the single only good thing about an EV. That is it.

So the analogy is not apples to apples. The government is mandating EV. Not because it is better, but because it follows a flawed ideology.

I say produce both, and drop the government mandates. Give customers a choice and the winner will prevail. If the people want an EV let them have them. Choice is good.
THANK YOU. I literally just got on lunch and was ready to fire back with pretty much everything you said. Wanna be best friends? Lol seriously though this hits it RIGHT on the Bullseye. People are so fast to kneel down and conform to the BS
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:40 PM   #1861
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Iíll stop w the EV chat since it makes the crazies go crazier. Just want to say this discussion (EV) was had on Ferrarichat for a while. 99% of them where against EV, and cited how itís actually less environmentally friendly due to the disposal , more expensive to manufacture, etc etc. Guess it goes to show the people who are wealthier, smarter, etc than most share the same view as myself and the few others who agreed or partially agreed.
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Old 09-15-2021, 01:47 PM   #1862
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I am not sure, is the Quaife LSD better/worse/similar to the STI's helical front differential? The Mountune LSD is also helical.
Who cares about the AWD setup if the thing looks like dog**** tho.



Speaking of dogs, where are all the people buying Crosstreks and Outback XTs Subaru is attempting to woo with this abortion going to put their dogs?



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Old 09-15-2021, 02:00 PM   #1863
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:16 PM   #1864
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:31 PM   #1865
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wtf is with all of the porn levorg pictures in the WRX thread? getting me all excited, then i'm reminded that the 2022 wrx sucks.
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:35 PM   #1866
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wtf is with all of the porn levorg pictures in the WRX thread? getting me all excited, then i'm reminded that the 2022 wrx sucks.
See you gotta drink the mad max cosplay kool aid and youíll be right as rain.
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:37 PM   #1867
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wtf is with all of the porn levorg pictures in the WRX thread? getting me all excited, then i'm reminded that the 2022 wrx sucks.

so much this!!!
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:40 PM   #1868
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The truth is Subaru's bread and butter is Outbacks and Crosstreks, followed closely by the Forester.

They build this car, this 'WRX', for those buyers. They did not build it for the bugeye and 2.5RS fans. These people are older now and most of us were have grown up and moved on. They no longer have any real credible rally connection and the McRea and Burns years are nothing more than a distant memory now.

This is the WRX for Crosstrek buyers to move into. This is the WRX for Outback owners to have a 'fun' car that can follow their family into the woods to camp.

This is a pedestrian update and nothing more. But it was not meant to appeal to old school WRX fans. They are pushing a CVT now as a performance transmission. This is all you need to know about the direction Subaru is going. Anything you do not shift is less engaging. Just like a Crosstrek, Outback, Ascent, Forester.

They want the MT to go away. They want homogeneous model lines. They want fewer part counts, they want to granola the WRX to fit into the Wilderness mode.

This not a WRX like we all grew up with. It is a WRX for the people who are responsible for their new exploding sales numbers.
I think there is a lot to this. Subaru had a CVT in the 2015+. They even tried using the fancy ďlineartronicĒ name with it to help hide the CVT part. But sales were still all about the manual. Only offering the CVT in the GT tells me that I think your correct that Subaru is hoping to push people towards the CVT and away from the manual.

As much as I hate on this, to the points you make above, it will likely sell as good or better than the 15+. Assuming Subaru can actually make as many or more than the 15+ in the current environment. But there seems to be more of a stigma with this car and itís getting lots of either mixed or negative reviews. I think once real driving and performance reviews come out we will know more. I think because of the lack of new cars in the entire industry these will fly off the lots, but letís see what happens behind year 2.
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I just walked past a Lexus UX and did a double take as some of the car looked instantly recognizable to me. It's pretty clear to me that Subaru is starting to borrow Toyota design as this WRX has extremely similar plastic design cues right down to a big black plastic rear bumper that you can rest a beer can on. I can't post pics of one as I'm at work but if you f side by side you can see the black plastic cladding on both cars looks like it was designed by the same people.
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Old 09-15-2021, 03:02 PM   #1870
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wtf is with all of the porn levorg pictures in the WRX thread? getting me all excited, then i'm reminded that the 2022 wrx sucks.
More relevant than the EV banter.
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Old 09-15-2021, 03:23 PM   #1871
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I just walked past a Lexus UX and did a double take as some of the car looked instantly recognizable to me. It's pretty clear to me that Subaru is starting to borrow Toyota design as this WRX has extremely similar plastic design cues right down to a big black plastic rear bumper that you can rest a beer can on. I can't post pics of one as I'm at work but if you f side by side you can see the black plastic cladding on both cars looks like it was designed by the same people.
The C-HR and RAV4 too. That's what I was saying before, it's like the same guy designing them. As though there are more joint products in the pipeline to tie the models and lineups together.

But a sedan in either case with this design language makes zero sense given the popularity and function of hatches. I get the WRX being a sedan, but this shock factor DIY instagram look is a no.
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Old 09-15-2021, 03:27 PM   #1872
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I just walked past a Lexus UX and did a double take as some of the car looked instantly recognizable to me. It's pretty clear to me that Subaru is starting to borrow Toyota design as this WRX has extremely similar plastic design cues right down to a big black plastic rear bumper that you can rest a beer can on. I can't post pics of one as I'm at work but if you f side by side you can see the black plastic cladding on both cars looks like it was designed by the same people.

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Old 09-15-2021, 03:31 PM   #1873
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The truth is Subaru's bread and butter is Outbacks and Crosstreks, followed closely by the Forester.

They build this car, this 'WRX', for those buyers. They did not build it for the bugeye and 2.5RS fans. These people are older now and most of us were have grown up and moved on. They no longer have any real credible rally connection and the McRea and Burns years are nothing more than a distant memory now.

This is the WRX for Crosstrek buyers to move into. This is the WRX for Outback owners to have a 'fun' car that can follow their family into the woods to camp.

This is a pedestrian update and nothing more. But it was not meant to appeal to old school WRX fans. They are pushing a CVT now as a performance transmission. This is all you need to know about the direction Subaru is going. Anything you do not shift is less engaging. Just like a Crosstrek, Outback, Ascent, Forester.

They want the MT to go away. They want homogeneous model lines. They want fewer part counts, they want to granola the WRX to fit into the Wilderness mode.

This not a WRX like we all grew up with. It is a WRX for the people who are responsible for their new exploding sales numbers.
I think I've stated something similar before and speculated the WRX is becoming more like the S4 in Japan, while the STI could be offered as the "raw" version. They could offer the STI with the same 6-speed they've always offered, but without DCCD or maybe even open-diffs and no Brembos, call it the "STI Lite", if you will. Basically a WRX anyway, right? Price this "Base" STI at very high $20k to very low $30k. That would take care of the people who hate this new USDM WRX S4. Add back the Brembos and DCCD for a "Performance Package" for mid-$30k. Maybe get bold and offer adaptive dampers with the manual transmission for the upper-$30k trim.

It's just kinda funny because Subaru had the Impreza GT in 2009 and 2010, and it feels like we've circled back around to that car in a way. I know it's totally different how it came about and what its purpose was, but I still think about that car sometimes.
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I forgot about the Impreza 2.5GT.
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Old 09-15-2021, 04:02 PM   #1875
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Moral of the story is recycling a car battery is not some holier than thou process that makes butterflies spontaneously appear. It take a LOT of manpower and energy to do so.

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I think there is a lot to this. Subaru had a CVT in the 2015+. They even tried using the fancy ďlineartronicĒ name with it to help hide the CVT part. But sales were still all about the manual. Only offering the CVT in the GT tells me that I think your correct that Subaru is hoping to push people towards the CVT and away from the manual.

As much as I hate on this, to the points you make above, it will likely sell as good or better than the 15+. Assuming Subaru can actually make as many or more than the 15+ in the current environment. But there seems to be more of a stigma with this car and itís getting lots of either mixed or negative reviews. I think once real driving and performance reviews come out we will know more. I think because of the lack of new cars in the entire industry these will fly off the lots, but letís see what happens behind year 2.
Lineartronic was always put with CVT. I personally think the moniker was meant to separate Subaru's CVT with the truly crappy ones of other companies.

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I just walked past a Lexus UX and did a double take as some of the car looked instantly recognizable to me. It's pretty clear to me that Subaru is starting to borrow Toyota design as this WRX has extremely similar plastic design cues right down to a big black plastic rear bumper that you can rest a beer can on. I can't post pics of one as I'm at work but if you f side by side you can see the black plastic cladding on both cars looks like it was designed by the same people.
This is what bothers me. Yeah yeah. You're partners with another company and you're gonna use the same turn signal stalks. The same steering columns. Yadda yadda yadda. You DON'T have to make them look the same.

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I forgot about the Impreza 2.5GT.
We have a newer employee that saw one we've had here in the shop(haven't asked why it's here) and they thought it was "fake" and someone put an Autozone bought emblem on it and swapped hoods(this person has a Bugeye Impreza that looks like a really nice WRX minus hood scoop).
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