I-Club/NASIOC: BC Members' Dyno Scores - Page 5

Kevin · 07-20-2006, 05:05 PM

Just got back from RR with my bone stock '05 STi, 218.9hp.

Jamie or Pat, feel free to post the plots if people are interested in what a bone stock STi plot looks like. Thanks for the great work, I'll be back for a custom tune in the spring.

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semaj · 07-20-2006, 09:06 PM

Is that pretty much par for a stock STi? more? less? Just curious

Also, what did it cost you to dyno?

J-Chow · 07-20-2006, 09:23 PM

Just FYI, our 2.5i's run at 123hp on the dyno. Pretty slow eh?

tora · 07-20-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Chow

Just FYI, our 2.5i's run at 123hp on the dyno. Pretty slow eh?

On which Dyno?

semaj · 07-20-2006, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tora

On which Dyno?

I dunno which one J-Chow is referring to Jamie...but I wouldn't mind getting a stock baseline on my 2.5i from you guys at RR...what would you charge?

Kevin · 07-20-2006, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubieDrift

Is that pretty much par for a stock STi? more? less? Just curious

Also, what did it cost you to dyno?

I think so, Pat said they're usually between 210-220hp on their dyno. I'm just glad I didn't get a lemon that put out way less than average

semaj · 07-20-2006, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin

I think so, Pat said they're usually between 210-220hp on their dyno. I'm just glad I didn't get a lemon that put out way less than average

Cool!

Now mod that beatch!

tora · 07-20-2006, 09:56 PM

$80 plus tax for 3 dyno pulls. It's all on the website...
Kevin, good to see you again...also glad to see the car is running well.

semaj · 07-20-2006, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tora

$80 plus tax for 3 dyno pulls. It's all on the website.

Thanks Jamie!

Kevin · 07-20-2006, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tora

Kevin, good to see you again...also glad to see the car is running well.

Ya, it's been a while. Glad I could finally make it out there for a visit and check out the shop.

J-Chow · 07-20-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WhistlerRally

Bone stock 2006 2.5i impreza if anyone cares...

Now I just gotta figure out how to interpret these graphs better

I guess the trick is to get the HP line higher (more, more!), and the torque curve flatter and higher, right? ie. more torque over a bigger rev range.

I saw this a long long time ago.

semaj · 07-20-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Chow

I saw this a long long time ago.

Cool Justin...so it was on RR's dyno

I wanna get mine done, just for *****s and giggles

tora · 07-21-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Chow

I saw this a long long time ago.

Oh yeah, forgot about that one. That was a just broken in '06.....with a wicked nice lightbar!!

semaj · 07-21-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tora

Oh yeah, forgot about that one. That was a just broken in '06.....with a wicked nice lightbar!!

hehe, little self promotion Jamie?

Props on the lightbar, I saw it in SubieSport

How far in advance do I need to make an appointment to dyno?

tora · 07-21-2006, 03:51 PM

We're usually pretty flexible with the Dyno but it will depend week to week. If you call at the beginning of a week for an appointment towards the end of the week that is best. Also please be available early in the morning for Dyno runs or later in the afternoon (much preferrably the morning though) as that will be when we most likely have time (and it is cooler).

semaj · 07-21-2006, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tora

We're usually pretty flexible with the Dyno but it will depend week to week. If you call at the beginning of a week for an appointment towards the end of the week that is best. Also please be available early in the morning for Dyno runs or later in the afternoon (much preferrably the morning though) as that will be when we most likely have time (and it is cooler).

Great, thanks for the info!

I will be giving you guys a call, most likely next week Jamie.

tora · 07-25-2006, 11:56 AM

PM'd you Subiedrift.

semaj · 07-25-2006, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tora

PM'd you Subiedrift.

Got it tora, thanks bro.

buster · 10-01-2006, 02:22 AM

Pat or Jamie....do you guys have any dyno results from a RR Protuned AP with essentially stage 2 mods? I see Cobb states 285 (crank) hp for that setup, what is the typical WHP for that?

Happy_Days · 10-02-2006, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buster

Pat or Jamie....do you guys have any dyno results from a RR Protuned AP with essentially stage 2 mods? I see Cobb states 285 (crank) hp for that setup, what is the typical WHP for that?

couldnt be more than 220-230whp

tora · 10-02-2006, 10:21 AM

210-220, would be around the same as a custom ecutek tune with same mods.

patr · 10-02-2006, 02:39 PM

I have seen cobb APs (not protuned) vary widely, but that is mostly due to boost creep/spiking. In other words, a wee bit unsafe.

they make too much boost, det, then pull back. I've seen this on 4 different occasions.

230 on our dyno is way too high for a cobb stg. 2 setup... because of the spiking, some have been as low as 205, highest I think was 217.

banman · 10-02-2006, 04:02 PM

Question about Protuned AP - would it just appear as another uploadable map on the AP, or am I "stuck" with the Protuned map once I have it done? And would Protuned maps be available as realtime maps, as base maps, or both?

Also, would you see a noticeable change in fuel economy with, for example, a Stage 2 Protuned vs a "stock" Stage 2 94 octane map? My main concern is daily driveability - I like the flexibility of having a relatively sedate map for around town, and the ability to crank things up for track days and other competition events.

patr · 10-02-2006, 04:23 PM

whatever you want. We can add it as a set of maps. A basemap and a realtime map, which are used TOGETHER. If you want to use the stock realtime maps, you have to go back tot he stock basemap. (you should, anyways).

I'm not going to get into it, but in essence, you could do a protune as just a realtime map over base cobb, but you lose certain things that are good to do and that net gains. But if you load in a protuned basemap, your original non-protuned realtime maps in theory shouldn't be used with it. When you load in a protuned basemap, there should be a corresponding realtime map that is selected. Using the other realtime maps with a protuned basemap, is, well, not a smart thing to do (it works, but you dont get the results). Only use them with the stock basemap.

SO with all that said, its best to remove the stock realtime maps, because all a customer has to do is put the wrong realtime map over the basemap, and they can cause problems. You should also be aware that you should always select the corresponging realtime map that goes with your basemap... by 'default' the basemap may not include all the things in the realtime map, depending on the protuner/cobb.

buster · 10-02-2006, 10:36 PM

Hmmm interesting. I have been thinking about another EM for some time and like the ease and price of the AP. Especially if I pick one up 2nd hand and then take it to you for a Protune.

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07-20-2006, 05:05 PM	#101
Kevin Scooby Specialist Member#: 1082 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver, BC Vehicle: 2019 Trailhawk Grey Like My Hair	Just got back from RR with my bone stock '05 STi, 218.9hp. Jamie or Pat, feel free to post the plots if people are interested in what a bone stock STi plot looks like. Thanks for the great work, I'll be back for a custom tune in the spring. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

07-20-2006, 09:06 PM	#102
semaj I'm sorry for apologizing Moderatour Member#: 113533 Join Date: Apr 2006 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver, BC Vehicle: 2017 Golf Alltrack	Is that pretty much par for a stock STi? more? less? Just curious Also, what did it cost you to dyno?

07-20-2006, 09:23 PM	#103
J-Chow Scooby Specialist Member#: 104722 Join Date: Jan 2006 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Richmond, aka Hongerland Vehicle: 2006 2.5i - SOLD Gray	Just FYI, our 2.5i's run at 123hp on the dyno. Pretty slow eh?

07-20-2006, 09:56 PM	#108
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 17 Ford Escape SE Blk	$80 plus tax for 3 dyno pulls. It's all on the website... Kevin, good to see you again...also glad to see the car is running well.

07-21-2006, 03:51 PM	#115
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 17 Ford Escape SE Blk	We're usually pretty flexible with the Dyno but it will depend week to week. If you call at the beginning of a week for an appointment towards the end of the week that is best. Also please be available early in the morning for Dyno runs or later in the afternoon (much preferrably the morning though) as that will be when we most likely have time (and it is cooler).

07-25-2006, 11:56 AM	#117
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 17 Ford Escape SE Blk	PM'd you Subiedrift.

10-01-2006, 02:22 AM	#119
buster Scooby Specialist Member#: 41811 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Sidney, BC Vehicle: 02 WRX White	Pat or Jamie....do you guys have any dyno results from a RR Protuned AP with essentially stage 2 mods? I see Cobb states 285 (crank) hp for that setup, what is the typical WHP for that?

10-02-2006, 10:21 AM	#121
tora Scooby Guru Member#: 5851 Join Date: Apr 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Vancouver Vehicle: 17 Ford Escape SE Blk	210-220, would be around the same as a custom ecutek tune with same mods.

10-02-2006, 02:39 PM	#122
patr Scooby Specialist Member#: 97 Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Vancouver, BC, CANADA	I have seen cobb APs (not protuned) vary widely, but that is mostly due to boost creep/spiking. In other words, a wee bit unsafe. they make too much boost, det, then pull back. I've seen this on 4 different occasions. 230 on our dyno is way too high for a cobb stg. 2 setup... because of the spiking, some have been as low as 205, highest I think was 217.

10-02-2006, 04:02 PM	#123
banman Scooby Specialist Member#: 12408 Join Date: Nov 2001 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Lotusland Vehicle: 2020 Model 3 SR+ Gray	Question about Protuned AP - would it just appear as another uploadable map on the AP, or am I "stuck" with the Protuned map once I have it done? And would Protuned maps be available as realtime maps, as base maps, or both? Also, would you see a noticeable change in fuel economy with, for example, a Stage 2 Protuned vs a "stock" Stage 2 94 octane map? My main concern is daily driveability - I like the flexibility of having a relatively sedate map for around town, and the ability to crank things up for track days and other competition events.

10-02-2006, 04:23 PM	#124
patr Scooby Specialist Member#: 97 Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: Vancouver, BC, CANADA	whatever you want. We can add it as a set of maps. A basemap and a realtime map, which are used TOGETHER. If you want to use the stock realtime maps, you have to go back tot he stock basemap. (you should, anyways). I'm not going to get into it, but in essence, you could do a protune as just a realtime map over base cobb, but you lose certain things that are good to do and that net gains. But if you load in a protuned basemap, your original non-protuned realtime maps in theory shouldn't be used with it. When you load in a protuned basemap, there should be a corresponding realtime map that is selected. Using the other realtime maps with a protuned basemap, is, well, not a smart thing to do (it works, but you dont get the results). Only use them with the stock basemap. SO with all that said, its best to remove the stock realtime maps, because all a customer has to do is put the wrong realtime map over the basemap, and they can cause problems. You should also be aware that you should always select the corresponging realtime map that goes with your basemap... by 'default' the basemap may not include all the things in the realtime map, depending on the protuner/cobb.

10-02-2006, 10:36 PM	#125
buster Scooby Specialist Member#: 41811 Join Date: Aug 2003 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Sidney, BC Vehicle: 02 WRX White	Hmmm interesting. I have been thinking about another EM for some time and like the ease and price of the AP. Especially if I pick one up 2nd hand and then take it to you for a Protune.