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Old 03-01-2003, 07:26 PM   #51
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I'm not trying to speak for anyone but I don't think shiv just puts in a pre-program, I think what he does is run your setup on your car till it pings and then he backs off. He then does several back-to-back runs to ensure that you get the same curve despite heatsoak this ensures both a consistant tune and a safe one.

This means the car is tuned for his turbo - I personally think he probably should have gotten a few more horsies, but he didn't (there must have been a sign of detonation or lean condition). I don't think that is necessarily anyones fault.

Good Luck.
Well Shiv told me, that if he had known that there was a PE1818...he would have tuned it differently....to make the curves better.....he didn't know why he couldn't get the same results from the Stage 2 maps (or what ever map he uses).
So, NO.. that turbo isn't tuned to the car correctly.....according to his statement....I guess

I was told today that I am running RICH!!!! when I give it gas....black smoke everywhere.
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Old 03-01-2003, 07:41 PM   #53
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Freddy,

If you have a problem with your car, call us. Trying to explain something on the internet is a waste of time.

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Old 03-01-2003, 10:03 PM   #54
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Old 03-02-2003, 01:11 AM   #55
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Well Shiv told me, that if he had known that there was a PE1818...he would have tuned it differently....to make the curves better.....he didn't know why he couldn't get the same results from the Stage 2 maps (or what ever map he uses).
So, NO.. that turbo isn't tuned to the car correctly.....according to his statement....I guess

I was told today that I am running RICH!!!! when I give it gas....black smoke everywhere.
Really? That is odd, my car was also running rich (off the wideband O2 sensor chart rich) because I had istalled injectors, fuel rails, pump and regulator. Shiv noticed it immediately and asked why it was off the page...once he knew it was easy.

Oh well, I guess this is why I'm not a tuner . It looks like he is addressing the situation now. Let us know what your WHP is!

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Old 03-02-2003, 12:59 PM   #56
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Guys, I am going in Wednesday to get the Ecutek and Dyno run done on my new stage 2. Iíll let you know the outcome. Only additional thing I am adding on the Vishnu standard Stage 2 is the Vishnu TMIC. Iíll post the numbers to give you some idea on where the average return (HP) on the Stage 2 is going with todays gas.

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Old 03-02-2003, 03:49 PM   #57
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Yay Utec!!!

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hahahaha
thats funny....BUT I am not saying the ECUTEK is not good....nor am I saying Shiv is not a good tuner. In fact I have never had a problem with Shiv or his tuning....That is why all my engine performance parts are ONLY Vishnu (except new pe1818 ) I still think he is a great tuner!! I guess for the mods added, some people on I club and myself were confused when there were way lower numbers than expected.....

We'll talk...and see what can be done.

thanks for you replies and concerns....I am sure you will all hear of the results sooner or later.

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Old 03-03-2003, 06:52 AM   #58
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Guys, I am going in Wednesday to get the Ecutek and Dyno run done on my new stage 2. Iíll let you know the outcome. Only additional thing I am adding on the Vishnu standard Stage 2 is the Vishnu TMIC. Iíll post the numbers to give you some idea on where the average return (HP) on the Stage 2 is going with todays gas.

Luis
Vf30?? I have the same set up w/out the tmic and im thinking of adding a bigger tmic, so tell me what you dyno please...So I could see if its actually worth buying a bigger tmic.

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Old 03-06-2003, 12:02 AM   #59
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Freddie,
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Old 03-06-2003, 03:35 AM   #60
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No, not yet. I called, but Shiv was on the Dyno....I'll try again later. Thanks for the PM...I'll look into it.

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Old 03-06-2003, 03:43 AM   #61
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There is one thing I haven't seen mentioned here yet. It seems that PE has redesigned both their PE1818F and PE1820F. They are not the same anymore. I have only seen one other dyno chart from these new PE turbo's and it was likewise, very disappointing. It was dyno'd on TurboXS's dyno and pulled 10 HP less than a VF30 stage 4 car.

I have one of these "new style" PE1818Fs waiting to go into my car. I paid a full $1600 for it (the price of the old style turbo). So I'll be very disappointed if it doesn't deliver the advertised "near 400 crank HP".

Anyway, there is the thread that shows some pictures of the "new style" vs "old style" PE turbos. It's a long thread and about 1/2 way through it is when it is discovered the turbo's have been changed significantly. Several vendors then get confirmation from PE.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5&pagenumber=1
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Old 03-06-2003, 04:00 AM   #62
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I think as in my case...tuning has alot to do with it too. Shiv tuned my car with the vf30/34 map, Not realizing I had the PE1818. So, the map has to be "tweeked" with a bit to get better use of the turbo. At least that is what I gathered from all this and that is what everyone is telling me.

But like I said, I'll go down a talk with Shiv and see what we can come up with. I am sure he will come up with something good


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Old 03-06-2003, 04:01 AM   #63
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Oh ya, I was just sent that thread too, some good info. Gruppe-S did some testing...they talk about it at the bottom of the page....mods are almost they same...
But I do like you reply....raises some quesions.
I also read on that thread there was a +10 gain...huh?
we'll see

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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5&pagenumber=3

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Old 03-06-2003, 05:14 AM   #64
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There is one thing I haven't seen mentioned here yet. It seems that PE has redesigned both their PE1818F and PE1820F. They are not the same anymore. I have only seen one other dyno chart from these new PE turbo's and it was likewise, very disappointing. It was dyno'd on TurboXS's dyno and pulled 10 HP less than a VF30 stage 4 car.
interesting....
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Old 03-06-2003, 04:02 PM   #65
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eimmas,

how did it go?

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Old 03-06-2003, 09:15 PM   #66
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Well, Shiv just called and said that I have been posting lies about the things I have been talking to people about on I-club. If fact He said I am a "lying sack of ****"!!

He says he WILL NOT tune my car ANYMORE!! And wanted his money back for the 3 hr tuning on my car...I told him to give me MY money back...he laughed and said I will not get it back.

So that's the results and you see what GREAT customer service Vishnu Performance has.

And Shiv if you look at most of the things I have said....they were things that YOU told me, or Questions about things YOU told me....and even typed on this thread. Why not get pissed at eveyone else that thinks the results were off!!

So now...."YOU HAVE FUN"!!

ps. you shoudn't yell...it's not becoming of you.
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Old 03-06-2003, 10:32 PM   #67
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1WRX2NV,

Wow, sorry to hear about the troubles w/your car & VISHNU/Shiv. I was at the Dyno Day event last week, where I saw your sweet ride and also met Shiv. He seemed like a pretty personable & knowledgable guy.

It's kinda confusing for others, who are not personally involved in this "situation," to figure out what's going on. As Shiv pointed out in his reply above, it's especially frustrating to do so over the internet.

I hope you guys get things straightened out.

Peace

CL

btw, I have been really close to scraping up the $$$ to have my ECU reflashed and car dyno-tuned by Shiv, but now what am I supposed to do/think?

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Old 03-06-2003, 11:36 PM   #68
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some customers suck. This guy got mad cause he spent alot of coin and didnt get results that boosted his ego. Ohwell...Shiv doesnt have to put up with crap like that, no tuner does.
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Old 03-06-2003, 11:49 PM   #69
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You handled this one totally wrong dude...people need to realize that you don't go complaining on a public forum without trying to work things out first behind the scenes.

<Mr. Rogers> Sounds like we could all learn something from Freddy </Mr. Rogers>

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Old 03-07-2003, 12:12 AM   #70
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Well, since I was the one to start this thread I feel compelled to chime in. I can say that in the almost two years of experience, Vishnu (Shiv) has always been there to take care of me. From my first e-mails and calls about the Stage 0 to present day Stage 2 tweaking. I've had two seperate dyno tune days (Stage 0 & 2) and can say that I left there with more horsepower than when I arrived. With confidence, I can say that Shiv knows what he's doing. If all these other people think your car should produce more HP than have them tune your car. I know that sounds a bit argumentative but let's face it. Vishnu has not one customer with a blown engine like the other tuner and he continues to test, retest, and improve all his Staged Kits to ensure customers like us have outstanding performance with a margin of safety.

If I had a concern with a business or vendor, I would take it up with them. By doing the "He Said-She Said" thing we only hear that person's interpretation. I can understand both sides of this situation. Freddie wants more HP and feels like he wasted his time & money. Shiv doesn't want to help someone that will bash on him (on public forumns) when that person doesn't get the results he wanted. Both parties I think may have made some assumutions. Freddie thought Shiv didn't need to know about the PE turbo and Shiv for not asking what mods he had. Both parties feel that the other owes them something. Freddie wants more Hp or his money back. Shiv wants to paid for his time already spent.

I think both parties ought to come to a happy median. Both of you guys are going to benefit by that. Freddie should pay Shiv for tuning performed and he will get more HP. Shiv should do a re-tune for no charge and get paid for his time. I'm sure both sides got heated and are now taking it personally. Put the emotions a side and think of it as a business decision.

We all have our differances but that's what makes the world go around. I hope you guys work it out.

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Old 03-07-2003, 12:12 AM   #71
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mexicanpizza,

Actually, freddie didn't complain on a public forum. He was asked by a fellow member what his results were and he posted his mod upgrades and his results. It was other people that said that it was very low for what he has. He then started to beleive that he got shafted and waited for Shivs reply. Shiv says call him, Freddie calls, no answer. What does that mean? If you were in his position and you called and got no answer, left a message and got no call back, would you ask him another question on the forum? Besides, everyone has a right to know. I know I would if I was planning on getting some of his services.

mlambert,

Some customers do suck. But would you tell a loyal customer that buys YOUR products over and over, andpraises the products that he or she is a lying sack of ****? He is just trying to get what he paid for.
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Old 03-07-2003, 12:34 AM   #72
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Well, I am running a Vishnu U/D pulley, and Up-pipe. I am not all up on Shiv's jock, so here is my point of view.

Shiv has his little cronies, his followers. The one's that pimp him just to be cool. Personally, I can't stand these types. The same ones that we remember from way back in high school. The kids that always hung out with the cool kid and laughed at his jokes and such. I still see it, in society today, granted, to a lesser extent.

I see a number of these guys in this thread. The "Shiv is God" mentality. Everything that he touches is gold and blessed.

Freddie was, until recently, a Shiv deciple. He totally go the short end of the stick when he upgraded to "Non-Vishnu" material. This is a phenomina that tends to happen on a regular bases. Like Tom with his own custom 3" turbo back. The CEO of Vishnu hinted that if he went with the Vishnu signature series, he would see a 25HP increase.

The same Hindu god is infamous for talking isht about products that he doesn't sell, and then doing an about face once he stocks them, ala Unichip.

For a vendor to tell his LOYAL customer, who has spent 5K on the stupid "Stage" upgrade path a, "lying sack of isht", is just unacceptable.]

Freddie, if I were you, it is time to sell off the remaining "Vishnu" parts on your car, and take the shadetree route. You will see better numbers.

Furthermore, I don't buy the "Bad gas" or the "Dyno recal" lines. If he was having a bad day tuning, then he was having a bad day tuning.

There are certain, uh ummm, enthusiasts here locally, that are expeditiously seeking a VIABLE ALTERNATIVE to our current tuning options. We will leave it at that. There are other turbo tuners with big names around that don't specialize in FHI and Mazda setups. A Forced EFI tuner is a Forced Induction EFI tuner. Do you remember when Vishnu used to tune Miatas?

I have been in the community since the pre-wrx days...January of 2K1 to be exact...when I was still living in Japan. I have to vent at some point or other.

Freddie, you are not the only one that is dissapointed with the above stated merchant. Have no fear.

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mlambert,

Some customers do suck. But would you tell a loyal customer that buys YOUR products over and over, andpraises the products that he or she is a lying sack of ****? He is just trying to get what he paid for.
I dont know either party, just calling it like I see it because he pulled this trash into FFI in a useful thread.
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Old 03-07-2003, 12:52 AM   #74
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I dont know either party, just calling it like I see it because he pulled this trash into FFI in a useful thread.
Well since you don't want to read anything....you obviously don't realize that the "other" thread in FFI was talking about hp numbers on the PE turbos.....What? I cant say anything or ask anything...unless I ask you first?? You are the one that was making something of it.....so, to fill you in, I gave a link to this thread......

It's usually best to make comments when you have all the facts.
Isn't that what I-Club is all about? Sharing information, so we can get the best performace for our $$?

If you didn't like what was being said and didn't care to know ALL the details....why respond? Because your comments were not helpful or useful.

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?? eh... good?

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