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Old 06-04-2012, 12:25 AM   #5276
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I love the contrast of the overlays with the color of your car. Dont get me wrong as a whole the car looks great too!
Thanks! I agree with you! while the stock clear ones did look nice, the contrast does give it some character to the car

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Well, less body roll is good, but actual hopping is not so great. Getting that 4th tire in the air looks cool in photos, but it means less tire in contact with the road and less tire in contact with the road hurts handling, power and braking.

OBD, what size say bar did you install, and did you change the front? Most AWD cars run a bigger front bar and a smaller rear bar. That may have something to do with it.

All of that said, if you are still on stock springs and struts, you may have just overdriven your suspension.
I installed only a rear sway bar which was a 16mm, and running the stock 19mm front bar.

What do you mean by "overdriven your suspension"? Is that a good/bad thing to hear?
^wont that mean everyone else who has done the RSB conversion will also have this issue on stock setup
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:48 AM   #5277
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So you didnt do your 30k yet? Don't worry im on the same boat as you.

Anyways, here is a latest pic of my car.
I like the two tone. Anyone done somethin like his but on a sedan
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:50 AM   #5278
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Its stock from factory, since i have the outback sport
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:50 AM   #5279
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Thanks! I agree with you! while the stock clear ones did look nice, the contrast does give it some character to the car

I installed only a rear sway bar which was a 16mm, and running the stock 19mm front bar.

What do you mean by "overdriven your suspension"? Is that a good/bad thing to hear?
^wont that mean everyone else who has done the RSB conversion will also have this issue on stock setup
I guess the real question is... How hard are you driving your car?

Slow in, fast out.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:57 AM   #5280
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Its stock from factory, since i have the outback sport
I gathered that but was thinkin about doin that on mine. So much better look than the old cutbacks. A guy in town here has one but its two tone silver and looks sooo clean and mine is silver thought maybe is try it but not sure if it look right on a big sedan maybe I can photo shop it.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:28 AM   #5281
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19mm front 16mm rear should be good. The Rallitek ones I ordered are 22mm front 19mm rear, so it's about the same ratio- 3mm more up front. I haven't installed mine yet, I'll post back if I get ''hopping''...
http://www.rallitek.com/RalliTEK-Ant...08-2011/p-4386
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:31 AM   #5282
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So you didnt do your 30k yet? Don't worry im on the same boat as you.

Anyways, here is a latest pic of my car.
you car seems lower lol, did you do anything?

yeah haha i got the car at 36k last year. its been 1 year, 3 months and 19 days

on the 1 year I drove from my place up to HMB down highway 1 all the way to santa cruz down 17 then back home best 1 year anniversary so far
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Old 06-04-2012, 04:59 AM   #5283
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you car seems lower lol, did you do anything?

yeah haha i got the car at 36k last year. its been 1 year, 3 months and 19 days

on the 1 year I drove from my place up to HMB down highway 1 all the way to santa cruz down 17 then back home best 1 year anniversary so far
hmm... nope. nada. lol

Dang, i bet you know down to the seconds. Am I rite?

sounds sickk! I need to do that. lol

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I did shoot from a higher angle, so maybe thats why it looks lowered..? I have no idea though. lol
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Old 06-04-2012, 10:11 AM   #5284
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i think black wheels make cars look like they're lowered, i hate my reverse rake because of the sub box in the trunk. Im surprised that with that big box, i can still manage to fit my daughters huge stroller in there
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:19 PM   #5285
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I installed only a rear sway bar which was a 16mm, and running the stock 19mm front bar.

What do you mean by "overdriven your suspension"? Is that a good/bad thing to hear?
^wont that mean everyone else who has done the RSB conversion will also have this issue on stock setup
I put on a stock 2011 wrx rsb about a month ago, which I believe is 16mm. (can anyone verify?) I can now take corners faster with less body roll, but I feel much closer to sliding out. With no rsb, I had a lot of body roll, but never felt the rear slide out. Now it feels like I'm right at the edge of the suspension/tires. No hopping though... unless you're talking about bumpsteer maybe?

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I guess the real question is... How hard are you driving your car?

Slow in, fast out.
It's a 2.5i! Slow in, slow out!
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:52 PM   #5286
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i think black wheels make cars look like they're lowered, i hate my reverse rake because of the sub box in the trunk. Im surprised that with that big box, i can still manage to fit my daughters huge stroller in there
Quite possibily. Maybe its just the casted shadow in the wheel well. idk.

But if it looks lowered, my job here is done. Thank you plastidip for saving me $1000+
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I put on a stock 2011 wrx rsb about a month ago, which I believe is 16mm. (can anyone verify?) I can now take corners faster with less body roll, but I feel much closer to sliding out. With no rsb, I had a lot of body roll, but never felt the rear slide out. Now it feels like I'm right at the edge of the suspension/tires. No hopping though... unless you're talking about bumpsteer maybe?



It's a 2.5i! Slow in, slow out!
Well, the rsb does induce some more oversteer to the already bad understeer, so you may be feeling more slide out compared to before. However, im not experiencing slide out at all, but I do feel more handling responsiveness. Ill be googling that.

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Old 06-04-2012, 02:18 PM   #5287
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19mm front 16mm rear should be good. The Rallitek ones I ordered are 22mm front 19mm rear, so it's about the same ratio- 3mm more up front. I haven't installed mine yet, I'll post back if I get ''hopping''...
http://www.rallitek.com/RalliTEK-Ant...08-2011/p-4386
I did these within the past year. No hopping but I did blow out the stock front endlinks.

Seperate note, my two cents on the rear (starting to slip out) better to over steer than understeer, but also better to have better tires than stock. At this point I've swapped to BC Coilovers so I'm not really pushing the suspension anymore.

My friends 240sx had a LSD installed and his back end "hops", but that's only at minimal throttle around turns. No throttle, no hop, more throttle, slides out. When did you feel this hopping?
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Old 06-04-2012, 03:24 PM   #5288
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Seperate note, my two cents on the rear (starting to slip out) better to over steer than understeer, but also better to have better tires than stock. At this point I've swapped to BC Coilovers so I'm not really pushing the suspension anymore.

My friends 240sx had a LSD installed and his back end "hops", but that's only at minimal throttle around turns. No throttle, no hop, more throttle, slides out. When did you feel this hopping?
I felt this "hop" effect when going around a close to 120 degree turn, and was a banked turn. I was off throttle, and it had been the 1 major turn on the street. First few turns are within a 30-60 degree turn, and this was when I didn't feel a hopping effect.
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I felt this "hop" effect when going around a close to 120 degree turn, and was a banked turn. I was off throttle, and it had been the 1 major turn on the street. First few turns are within a 30-60 degree turn, and this was when I didn't feel a hopping effect.
And you really haven't felt it since? Maybe just the RSB adjusting, are the cuffs (with the Allen key) by the bushings/mounts tight? Have you had it happen since?
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:08 PM   #5290
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19mm front 16mm rear should be good. The Rallitek ones I ordered are 22mm front 19mm rear, so it's about the same ratio- 3mm more up front. I haven't installed mine yet, I'll post back if I get ''hopping''...
http://www.rallitek.com/RalliTEK-Ant...08-2011/p-4386
I've had the Ralliteks on for 30K now (with endlinks) and I don't hop. Love 'em, you will too.

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Old 06-04-2012, 05:20 PM   #5291
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What do you mean by "overdriven your suspension"? Is that a good/bad thing to hear?
^wont that mean everyone else who has done the RSB conversion will also have this issue on stock setup
What I mean is that the sway bar will be a big improvement, but it's not a magic bullet. You still have a car on econo-car suspension and OEM tires, so you can still drive it beyond it's limit without a lot of effort.

There are many factors that can induce a hop, bumpy road surface, loose road surface, etc. Tires are also a culprit.

That said, if you are asking your car to do more than it is capable of, you may start to see things like wheel hop.

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I felt this "hop" effect when going around a close to 120 degree turn, and was a banked turn. I was off throttle, and it had been the 1 major turn on the street. First few turns are within a 30-60 degree turn, and this was when I didn't feel a hopping effect
What speed? 120 degrees is a pretty significant turn, if you were off throttle and hopping then I would guess it was the road surface/tires as much as anything else. That said, a slower speed entry speed with throttle may have let you power out with more speed an no wheel hop.

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Old 06-04-2012, 05:50 PM   #5292
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For those with 4EATs, has anyone installed this? What are the main benefits of it?
http://www.rallitek.com/RalliTEK-4EA...-Insert/p-4634
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:21 PM   #5293
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What I mean is that the sway bar will be a big improvement, but it's not a magic bullet. You still have a car on econo-car suspension and OEM tires, so you can still drive it beyond it's limit without a lot of effort.
There are many factors that can induce a hop, bumpy road surface, loose road surface, etc. Tires are also a culprit.
That said, if you are asking your car to do more than it is capable of, you may start to see things like wheel hop.
What speed? 120 degrees is a pretty significant turn, if you were off throttle and hopping then I would guess it was the road surface/tires as much as anything else. That said, a slower speed entry speed with throttle may have let you power out with more speed an no wheel hop.
Exactly what I was thinking but didnt feel like writing it all out
When I installed my rallitek swaybars, my whole car felt really tight at first and the rear end especially felt like it was very stiff and almost raised up but it got a lot better after a while-probably the bushings being worn in and what not. Plus if you said you were not going very fast, then just for safe measures I'd go back and double check your endlinks? If they look okay then just double check all your nuts+bolts are still tight and go back to the same place where the hopping occured and see if it happens again.
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Old 06-04-2012, 06:44 PM   #5294
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What I mean is that the sway bar will be a big improvement, but it's not a magic bullet. You still have a car on econo-car suspension and OEM tires, so you can still drive it beyond it's limit without a lot of effort.

There are many factors that can induce a hop, bumpy road surface, loose road surface, etc. Tires are also a culprit.

That said, if you are asking your car to do more than it is capable of, you may start to see things like wheel hop.



What speed? 120 degrees is a pretty significant turn, if you were off throttle and hopping then I would guess it was the road surface/tires as much as anything else. That said, a slower speed entry speed with throttle may have let you power out with more speed an no wheel hop.
I see...
At that corner I was going at +/- 25mph, and the limit is 30mph. Might have to go back and try that same road again.

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For those with 4EATs, has anyone installed this? What are the main benefits of it?
http://www.rallitek.com/RalliTEK-4EA...-Insert/p-4634
I believe the transmissions on our cars have a Very plush bushing, which causes them to move under stress which may be causing that clunk feel when shifting.. No idea other than that though.

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Exactly what I was thinking but didnt feel like writing it all out
When I installed my rallitek swaybars, my whole car felt really tight at first and the rear end especially felt like it was very stiff and almost raised up but it got a lot better after a while-probably the bushings being worn in and what not. Plus if you said you were not going very fast, then just for safe measures I'd go back and double check your endlinks? If they look okay then just double check all your nuts+bolts are still tight and go back to the same place where the hopping occured and see if it happens again.
How tight would I want these nuts+bolts to be? I have them fairly tight, with no play in them at all.

And the break into bushing thing might be it. I got the sway bar off a guy who i believe didnt have many miles on his own wrx.
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I see...
At that corner I was going at +/- 25mph, and the limit is 30mph. Might have to go back and try that same road again.
How tight would I want these nuts+bolts to be? I have them fairly tight, with no play in them at all.
And the break into bushing thing might be it. I got the sway bar off a guy who i believe didnt have many miles on his own wrx.
At that speed it, I don't understand why your car would be hopping unless one of the end links broke or your alignment is way off lol. And of you have a torque wrench id say maybe 50-60ft lbs (roughly-I'm just guessing honestly) but if you don't just very snug but not so tight where your putting all your weight onto the wrench hah.
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At that speed it, I don't understand why your car would be hopping unless one of the end links broke or your alignment is way off lol. And of you have a torque wrench id say maybe 50-60ft lbs (roughly-I'm just guessing honestly) but if you don't just very snug but not so tight where your putting all your weight onto the wrench hah.
hmm, weird..

My alignment was set about 1 month ago, and I doubt the endlinks broke. Id say the tightness seems good since its not weakly tightened nor all my weight into the wrench.

Ill look down there again and see if something is really loose..
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:03 PM   #5297
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Old 06-04-2012, 09:47 PM   #5298
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I got mine done..had a before and after dyno aswell..wasnt happy with the results to say the least..
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I did these within the past year. No hopping but I did blow out the stock front endlinks.
I ordered the front end links when I ordered the kit..
Edit- these- http://www.rallitek.com/RalliTEK-HD-...ndlinks/p-4269

I've had one issue with my car since I bought it brand new in May '09.. last year one of the front end links blew about a year ago.. For no reason.

I knew upgrading to a beefy front roll bar would require stronget endlinks. I got those "HD" end links from rallitek. In the pic they are silver and black, in real life they are silver and blue and match the rear end links.. I was happy about that, not that you see them anyway.

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I've had the Ralliteks on for 30K now (with endlinks) and I don't hop. Love 'em, you will too.
Yeah that reminds me- I need to get them installed! I hope they make the car feel "lighter" in a turn.. with more body control.. It isn't too bad now really, but I have 7x8 wheels and "ultra" high performance all season tires in 225-45-17. The tires and wheels already made a huge difference, I'm sure the rollbars will be an even bigger difference.

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