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Old 06-03-2020, 10:45 PM   #76
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I think the issue is that they changed too much all at once. If you took the badges off, I would have not guessed it was a BMW. Good God, I hope they don't do this to the LCI 8 series.
Just showed the photo of the white one to my wife who is a car fan and she said "ewww, god, is that the new Camary?"
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I think the issue is that they changed too much all at once. If you took the badges off, I would have not guessed it was a BMW. Good God, I hope they don't do this to the LCI 8 series.
^^^this. If i wasnt already familiar with it or already a car guy, id need to see the roundel to know its a bimmer. Nothing about this brings bmw to mind when we look at it. That garish grille, its kinda the only thing i see when i look at the car.

I miss handsome and gorgeous bmws.
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Old 06-04-2020, 09:53 AM   #78
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Old 06-04-2020, 10:18 AM   #79
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It's the reverse mullet car: Party in the font, business in the back.
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Old 06-04-2020, 10:22 AM   #80
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kinda reminds me of a rabbit - the roundel is the nose, the "kidney grills" being the teeth, the bumper vents being the whiskers - just slap some ears on the roof and you're ready for Easter!
It doesn't help that the wheels remind me of woven baskets...
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Old 06-04-2020, 10:28 AM   #81
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I like the wheels. They remind me of the mid 1990's style BBS wheels that I used to drool over when I was a kid.
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Old 06-04-2020, 10:28 AM   #82
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chinese taste
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Old 06-04-2020, 10:33 AM   #83
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Makes sense as Chinese are the biggest population with the most money, no?
Make this looking like a pickup truck or El Camino for Americans and probably won't sell well in China.


That is one ugly car..
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Old 06-04-2020, 12:49 PM   #84
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BMW front on an Altima Coupe.

You can't unsee it now. PUT. IT. BACK. IN. THE. BOX.

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Old 06-04-2020, 01:34 PM   #85
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altima coupe.. man... you really hit that nail on the head man... dang.
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Old 06-04-2020, 02:55 PM   #86
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You can't unsee it now. PUT. IT. BACK. IN. THE. BOX.

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The image will forever be stuck in my head now.

Yep, BMW done goofed again.
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https://www.carscoops.com/2020/06/ne...ormance-parts/

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I just realized they practically eliminated the hofmeister kink. Disappears in some angles. In fact, the only thing that looks like a BMW are the side mirrors for me. If one clicks thru in the link above, there are examples of the current F32 and the new 4 series.

I get needing to spice up the design (the comments about nouveau rich Chinese makes absolute sense - hard to stand out in a country of 1.4B people...), but why try to take away the traditional cues?
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Are we forgetting history chaps.




BMW 328


1956-1960 BMW 503


This is definitely a throwback into the catalog to when they first started making sporty cars.

That does not mean anybody has to like it, but vertical grills are definitely in their wheelhouse.
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1956-1960 BMW 503


This is definitely a throwback into the catalog to when they first started making sporty cars.

That does not mean anybody has to like it, but vertical grills are definitely in their wheelhouse.
Ainít a throw back to ****! Those are long but narrow. The new grill makes up like 70% of the whole damn bumper!
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that 54 car looks hot. Would hit it.
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Old 10-19-2020, 08:32 PM   #91
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https://www.thedrive.com/news/37132/a-replacement-bumper-for-the-2021-bmw-m3-and-m4-is-already-in-the-works

As much as I'm getting used to the horrific new grill, this easily comes along and reminds my the new one is, indeed, horiffic.
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Old 10-19-2020, 10:59 PM   #92
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The ONLY bad styling part of that car, especially considering it's a base 3 series... is the ****ing cartoonishly overdone grill.
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:42 AM   #93
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The 2021 BMW 440i xDrive gets a little wider and longer for the new model year.

There was a time when driving a BMW with an M badge was a rarified treat. But just as Mercedes-Benz has done with AMG, the M badge is now plastered across half of the line-up.

The M stands for Motorsport of course, and signifies youíre getting a BMW that hardcore enthusiasts will love. But given the M440ís $12,900 premium above the already-spendy $45,600 BMW430i Coupe, you have to wonder if the M actually stands for money.

Regardless, itís time to see if the M440i xDrive Coupe is deserving of its hallowed M badge.

Overview

Until recently, the 4 Series was known as the 3 Series Coupe, which is basically what it is, as the 4 Series uses 3 Series engines, and its interior is similar. The newest iteration of the 4 Series Coupe has grown a bit, 5.2 inches longer, 1 inch wider, 0.4 inches taller with a 1.6 inch-longer wheelbase and 1.4 inch-wider front and 1.2 inch wider rear tracks than the previous 4 Series Coupe. It also looks significantly larger.

Approach the 4 Series Coupe from behind, and itís hard not to be impressed, with its smooth aerodynamic shape and flowing lines.

Exterior

If you first approach the 4 Series Coupe from behind, itís hard not to be impressed, with its smooth aerodynamic shape and flowing lines. Its sophistication is impressive, even seductive. Itís lovely two-door shape calls to you, ready to steal your heart. Then you walk to the front of the vehicle, and all enthusiasm vanishes.

BMWís PR minions call its freakishly oversized grille striking, and theyíre right. But a third eye in the middle of your forehead is striking as well. Yet you wouldnít call it attractive Ė and this front-end execution certainly isnít.

Interior

Thankfully, the interior is a far different story. The instrument panel seems to be directly lifted from the 3 Series. The test vehicle was tarted up with the $3,700 Executive Package, which included some options youíd expect as standard equipment given the M440iís base price, such as a heated steering wheel, heated front seats, ambient lighting, a head-up display and LED headlights.

ďÖ BMWís PR minions call its freakishly oversized striking, and theyíre right. But a third eye in the middle of your forehead is striking as well ÖĒ

But the cabinís premium ambiance is unmistakable, and a very good place to spend some time. The leather seats, a $1,450 option, are firm, yet comfortable with enough legroom in the rear seats to bring along some guests, as long as front seat occupants make some accommodation. Cargo space is sufficient, with the 12 cubic-foot trunk able swallow


The silhouette of the M440i is sophisticated and seductive, almost stealing your heart.

all that was required.

Powertrain

What makes this car so sublime is its powerplant, a smooth turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-6 augmented by a 48-volt hybrid system that generates 382 horsepower through an 8-speed automatic transmission. The difference from the 430ís 255-hp turbocharged 2.0-liter 4 cylinder is noticeable, running 0-60 mph in 4.3 seconds versus 5.5 seconds for 430i xDrive Coupe.

Safety and Technology

BMW equips the 440i with an impressive roster of standard driver-assistance safety gear, including lane-departure warning with steering correction; frontal collision; pedestrian warning with braking function; blind-spot detection; rear cross-traffic alert; rear collision preparation, automatic high beams; and speed limit information.

The interior of the new M440i offers an unmistakable ambiance.

Optional goodies include Driving Assistance Professional Package which adds Active Cruise Control, lane-keeping assist with side-collision avoidance, front cross-traffic alert and emergency-stop assist. A Parking Assistance Package includes a panoramic 3D surround-view camera. Another new option, a drive recorder, uses the cameras of the various driver assistance systems to record video footage, which can be watched on the center console. It stores up to 40 seconds of video, automatically recording up to 20 seconds in the event of a collision.

An 8.8-inch center touchscreen infotainment display and a 5.1-inch instrument cluster display are standard, and it can be upgraded to 10.25 inches and 12.3 inches respectively. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility are standard. Wireless charging is a $500 option.

Driving Impressions

2021 BMW M440i chartOne stab of the throttle and thereís little doubt that youíre in an M. Thereís a strong, smooth surge of power. Thanks to the mild hybrid system, the M440i feels particularly lively off the mark. And the cabin is noticeably quiet.

However, those expecting a true, hardcore M driving experience may be disappointed. Yes, the M440i handles sharply, but its electric power steering and compliant suspension donít impart that hardcore fun-to-drive feel youíd expect of a car wearing the M badge. This is more a fast grand touring car than a true died-in-the-wool M, despite various M upgrades made to the car. And its all-wheel-drive system ensures that wonít be much on the way of tail-happy antics when carving through corners.

Wrap Up

While the BMW M440i xDrive is a fine grand touring car, itís not hardcore enough to be a true BMW M, and it has a grille only a mother could love. That doesnít mean it isnít a great choice, it is, as long as youíre not fooled by the M badge it wears.


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Over the front. How bout the rear?
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I like the rearbutt, although it isnt very bimmerish imo.
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Itís a good looking car with a terrible looking grill.
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I think the grill looks better on the M versions.
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2021 BMW 430i Coupe First Drive: The Nose Isnít the Problem

BMWís latest four-cylinder 4 Series coupe isnít quite sure what itís supposed to be.

Let's get the barf emojis, raised eyebrows, and pointing and snickering aimed at the redesigned-for-2021 BMW 4 Series' new flared nostrils out of the way now. The huge dual grille openings resemble many thingsóbuck teeth, the nasal passages on a bare skull, etc.óbut few will recognize that they mark a return to the original tall, skinny kidney grilles applied to early BMW models a century ago. Historical footnotes aside, the weird face tragically distracts from the rest of the 4 Series design, which is svelte and attractive, like a three-quarter-scale 8 Series coupe.

The controversial front end at least gives the new 4 Series a talking point, because behind that schnoz there isn't a whole lot to write home about. And that's sort of an issue for a coupeóluxury buyers are looking for flash and dash for their cash. Having swung and missed on the 430i's flash, how does BMW deliver on that dash?

A Great Engine In Search Of A Great Coupe

Just behind the 430i's standout grilles sits its only other standout: a 255-hp turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine. Smooth and punchy, the entry-level turbo-four moves the coupe well. Compared to the previous 4 Series' version of this engine, it makes an extra 7 hp and an additional 36 lb-ft of torque (for a total of 294 lb-ft). Paired with a slick-shifting eight-speed automatic transmission, the responsive engine feels as if it's making more power than BMW's letting on. Still more power is available in the M440i xDrive, which comes with a 382-hp turbocharged inline-six, but that will cost you $12,900 more.

The 430i is quick enough for most buyers, particularly in lighter-weight rear-drive form. (For another $2,000, buyers can opt for BMW's xDrive all-wheel drive.) There isn't enough power on tap to overwhelm the BMW's attitude in corners. Put another way, the 430i defaults to safe, predictable understeer at its grip limit, and punching the gas fails to do much more than tighten the line slightly. This could have as much to do with the engine as the M Sport torque-vectoring rear differential included in our test vehicle's $2,450 Dynamic Handling package.

If it's tire-smoking drifts you're after in your compact BMW coupe, plan on skipping even the M440i (which only is available with xDrive all-wheel drive) and go straight to the new 473-503-hp M4. Or lateral into the smaller (and excellent) M2 Competition coupe.


Ö Sub-Ultimate Driving Machine

Ignore the gaggle of drive mode options that exist for sporting up the suspension, accelerator response, transmission behavior, and steering weight, controlled via buttons on the center console (and for deeper fiddling, in on-screen menus). Going full Sport in any of the settings merely subtracts comfort for the show of athleticism, starching up the $700 Adaptive M electronically adjustable suspension and making the steering heavier, with no discernable handling benefit.

It's telling how much old-school BMW handling magic is missing from the 430i that it puts its best foot forward when simply left in Comfort mode. The ride is well damped, body motions are controlled, and the lower-effort steering is better matched to the coupe's light-on-its-feet dynamic feel. As in the also-new 3 Series that shares this platform, the 430i feels more solid and cohesively tuned than before, but it never reaches out and grabs the driver and goads them to drive harder.

If It's Not Sporty, Then Surely It's Comfortable ...

[Game-show buzzer!] The 430i isn't all that comfortable. On the freeway, a substantial level of tire noise and slap makes its way into the cabin. There is also a buzzy din that emanates from the front end, a sort of guitar-string tinnitus sensation of a too-direct connection between suspension components and the body structure. It's a curious trade-off for the decidedly uninvolving handling.

Neither is the 430i particularly luxurious. The cabin is classic BMW: businesslike, with a minimum of fussy detailing or extravagance. From a usability standpoint, that's great. The latest iteration of iDrive, BMW's knob-controlled infotainment setup, is simple and easy to use. On-screen menus are streamlined, and in each one, more detailed sub-menus are accessed via a simple tap to the right. The digital gauge cluster's configurability is controlled by a pair of buttons on the turn signal stalk and a scroll wheel on the left-hand steering wheel spoke. A row of HVAC controls sits above another row of audio presets and a volume knob to lend the cabin a whiff of familiarity and approachability.

As a bonus, the 430i's interior is roomy and brimming with practical elements. The trunk, for example, is big, and the rear seats can be folded nearly flat, opening up a huge pass-through to the interior. With the two rear seats up, there is a surprising amount of legroom for passengers back there. Headroom in back is tight but not as much as in other similarly sized coupes, and there's even a fold-down center armrest with two cupholders and rear-seat temperature and fan controls.

How About Them Coupe Dreams?

The thing is, ease of use and practicality aren't sexy. In a world where bells and whistles have been democratized to non-luxury cars, the BMW 430i's relatively plain cabin design isn't compelling enough. Mercedes-Benz's C-Class delivers wow-inducing cross-pollination between old-school luxury materials and modern design, while the Audi A5 pulls off the minimalist-German-car interior thing with more panache. Both of those coupes are quieter and more comfortable without giving up much, if any, sportiness to the 4 Series.

So as much as you'd think the heinous front-end styling would do the 4 Series in, it's the preponderance of asterisks that offer reason to pass it up. Just as the 430i's great coupe body is ruined by those grilles, its spacious interior is let down by a boring design, and the competent driving experience lacks sizzle or comfort. And then there's the cost. Our 430i's $46,595 MSRP was inflated to $59,220 by the $3,800 M Sport package (variable steering and a stitched-vinyl dashboard), $2,450 Dynamic Handling package (M Sport brakes and a sport rear differential), $2,300 Premium package, $500 wireless phone charging, $550 Mineral White paint, $1,450 brown leather interior, and $875 Harman Kardon sound system. That's a whole lotta cash for not enough flash or dash.
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