Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Wednesday November 13, 2019
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-15-2019, 03:06 PM   #626
ayau
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 332408
Join Date: Sep 2012
Default

Is it just me or am I the only one that would take the new Supra over the S209? New tech, better handling, actually feel like you're siting in a sports car, etc. Obviously they're not the same class of car, but at 60k for an S209, you can easily afford a 4 door secondary car.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
ayau is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 01-15-2019, 03:07 PM   #627
thill
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 377200
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Somewhere north of south
Vehicle:
18 Miata Club
Jet Black Mica

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by TylerLieberman View Post
Lots of talk about aesthetics. Here's some cool info regarding how it drives:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ototype-driven

Some highlights... When it comes to the VIR Lightning Lap...

2015 STI ran 3:10.5
2018 STI Type RA ran 3:04.9
2019 STI S209 ran 2:59.X during testing and still isn't the final time

So compared to the base 2015 STI, this S209 is roughly 10+ seconds quicker around VIR. That puts it 5sec ahead of the CTR, under 2sec behind the new Cayman GTS and 4sec behind the new M5.
I agree those are impressive numbers for an STI. Anything under 3 seconds seems impressive to me. But based on the price of the car I am not sure it shouldn't be that much more superior to a CTR which really doesn't benefit as much on a track like VIR vs say something with more technical tight turns like Willow Springs.
thill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:08 PM   #628
ayau
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 332408
Join Date: Sep 2012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI View Post
The S209 is in a different league now than the Focus RS....I mean even the base STI's were really close with a lot of enthusiasts and published track tests showing a 1-2 second difference in E.T's, and most attributed that to the sport cup tires the RS had and the less track ready tires the STI had stock.

If the S209 put 5 seconds gap on the civic type R VIR lap times the focus wouldnt fare any better.

Also the S209 drivetrain is pretty much bullet proof now....WELL worth the price difference for what you are getting.
It's still a hopped up econobox. Why not buy a true sports car for the same price as an S209? Obviously this doesn't include STI die hard fans.
ayau is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:10 PM   #629
NighthawkSTI
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 495630
Join Date: Dec 2018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by neg_matnik View Post
So what? The price difference is still staggering.
you are getting a more capable car now, I'd argue with even just a base 2019 STI, because of the strengthened engine internals and now that the S209 has brought a fully forged EJ 2.5 to the scene, the car is basically bullet proof. The focus had/has head gasket issues, weak rear diff, ecu limits power stock to prevent parts breakage. The Civic Type R has had transmission issues. Subaru pretty much addressed the elephant in the room with the RA beefing up the block and then trickleing that down to the base 2019 STI's and the S209 basically drops the hammer being pretty much bullet proof. The other 2 cars cant say that.
NighthawkSTI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:24 PM   #630
samagon
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 26859
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: undisputed COMBAT! champion
Vehicle:
of TXIC
I also like (oYo)!!!!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ayau View Post
It's still a hopped up econobox. Why not buy a true sports car for the same price as an S209? Obviously this doesn't include STI die hard fans.
or buy a BRZ.

it was designed as a sports car from the global platform up, not an economy car that has a hood scoop and other bits to make it feel/act like a sporty car.

there are at least 2 distinct advantages:
it's going to be at least 1/2, maybe even 1/3 of the price.
you are guaranteed to never have to worry that the next year 'special edition' will have a higher horsepower number.
samagon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:30 PM   #631
chanomatik
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Blackstone, MA
Vehicle:
2017 Impreza Sport
Lithium Red - OLDKID

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ayau View Post
Is it just me or am I the only one that would take the new Supra over the S209? New tech, better handling, actually feel like you're siting in a sports car, etc. Obviously they're not the same class of car, but at 60k for an S209, you can easily afford a 4 door secondary car.
No manual on the Supra, if you're okay with that.
chanomatik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:32 PM   #632
neg_matnik
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 132389
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: SF Bay Area
Vehicle:
2006 WRX Wagon SGM
2003 SV1000S, 2014 DL650

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI View Post
you are getting a more capable car now, I'd argue with even just a base 2019 STI, because of the strengthened engine internals and now that the S209 has brought a fully forged EJ 2.5 to the scene, the car is basically bullet proof. The focus had/has head gasket issues, weak rear diff, ecu limits power stock to prevent parts breakage. The Civic Type R has had transmission issues. Subaru pretty much addressed the elephant in the room with the RA beefing up the block and then trickleing that down to the base 2019 STI's and the S209 basically drops the hammer being pretty much bullet proof. The other 2 cars cant say that.
I'm looking at the same oversquare geometry with rods not quite long enough to run reliably at high RPM; that hasn't changed.
The turbo is too far away from the exhausts ports; that hasn't changed (see the EJ255 out of the MY2010~MY2012 LGT for proper turbo spool and response).
Until any of the above changes, I wouldn't personally call that EJ257 bullet proof.
It's stronger now but, make no mistake, it will still rattle these forged pistons quite a bit with anything less than perfect 93 AKI gas in the tank.
And, really, the big handling improvement comes from the wider front/rear track with 265 section tires all around.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not minimizing or trivializing what Subaru engineers have accomplished.
But, I still have to keep things in perspective; I love my EJ25, but I know what it's good at and what it sucks at.
neg_matnik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:37 PM   #633
KC
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 442
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: RI/SE Mass
Vehicle:
17 Imp Spurt
00 S2k

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO View Post
Like HoSlayer said, this is what we’ve been hoping for for at least a decade.
Wrong.

I think we've been wanting a replacement for the EJ more.

--kC
KC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:42 PM   #634
thill
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 377200
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Somewhere north of south
Vehicle:
18 Miata Club
Jet Black Mica

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI View Post
you are getting a more capable car now, I'd argue with even just a base 2019 STI, because of the strengthened engine internals and now that the S209 has brought a fully forged EJ 2.5 to the scene, the car is basically bullet proof. The focus had/has head gasket issues, weak rear diff, ecu limits power stock to prevent parts breakage. The Civic Type R has had transmission issues. Subaru pretty much addressed the elephant in the room with the RA beefing up the block and then trickleing that down to the base 2019 STI's and the S209 basically drops the hammer being pretty much bullet proof. The other 2 cars cant say that.
Not sure I would call anything bullet proof.

The Ford head gasket issue was a debacle. In 2016 and many 2017 Focus RS cars Ford put the HG found in the 2.3L Mustang Ecoboost instead of the proper HG that was designed for the 2.3L RS engine. So depending when you bought your RS you may or may not have been affected. But the issue is resolved and Ford warrantied the replacement of the HG and any other related recall work. 2 track days and 8K miles later I can say my RS (which did have the recall done before I bought it) has had zero issues. But I am religious about prepping cars for the track.

I am glad to see Subaru step up and address many of the concerns folks have voiced for years and add some really great bits and pieces to the S209. It all comes at a steep cost though (most likely). But for those diehard STI owners this is good news for them if they can secure a car.
thill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:49 PM   #635
WhiteRX09
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 321304
Join Date: May 2012
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MD
Vehicle:
2013 WRX
White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SatinWhitePearl View Post
I'd argue that's a bit much, granted it was RA owners that were effectively used as guinea pigs to test out the market. Much like how Porsche gave 918 owners first dibs on both the Cayman GT4 and the 991.2 GT3 RS, it wouldn't be a bad idea to give RA owners a shot, that's my view though.

My RA still has 7.1 miles on it and is still, largely, covered in factory plastic; I even went as far as to make sure they didn't fill it when I bought it, so it's never had CA's crap gas in it ever, but instead VP101.

I'll most likely be listing my RA for sale, sooner than later, to see just how bad it'll hurt.
There is a new one for sale for $45,000 in WV. There is a used one for sale in MD for just over $46. Just for info.
WhiteRX09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:58 PM   #636
4S-TURBO
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 67807
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: who the hell makes those
Vehicle:
.... missiles - when
they know wat they can do

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KC View Post
Wrong.

I think we've been wanting a replacement for the EJ more.

--kC
With dogleg rods? Wish granted.
4S-TURBO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 03:59 PM   #637
JustyWRC
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:
2005 Baja Turbo
06 Forester 18 Imp Sport

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by samagon View Post
or buy a BRZ.

it was designed as a sports car from the global platform up, not an economy car that has a hood scoop and other bits to make it feel/act like a sporty car.

there are at least 2 distinct advantages:
it's going to be at least 1/2, maybe even 1/3 of the price.
you are guaranteed to never have to worry that the next year 'special edition' will have a higher horsepower number.

Are you referring to the "Subaru Global Platform" that the Impreza, Forester, and Ascent are on that the BRZ is NOT on yet?

Quote:
Originally Posted by neg_matnik View Post
I'm looking at the same oversquare geometry with rods not quite long enough to run reliably at high RPM; that hasn't changed.
The turbo is too far away from the exhausts ports; that hasn't changed (see the EJ255 out of the MY2010~MY2012 LGT for proper turbo spool and response).
Until any of the above changes, I wouldn't personally call that EJ257 bullet proof.
It's stronger now but, make no mistake, it will still rattle these forged pistons quite a bit with anything less than perfect 93 AKI gas in the tank.
And, really, the big handling improvement comes from the wider front/rear track with 265 section tires all around.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not minimizing or trivializing what Subaru engineers have accomplished.
But, I still have to keep things in perspective; I love my EJ25, but I know what it's good at and what it sucks at.

It does talk about different tuning. You think this new tune would/could take care of the 93-91 gas difference?
JustyWRC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 04:01 PM   #638
ayau
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 332408
Join Date: Sep 2012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chanomatik View Post
No manual on the Supra, if you're okay with that.
I'm sure the manual will come when the 250HP comes to the US. The 86/BRZ is at the end of its lifecycle, rumor has it the 250HP 86 will replace it.
ayau is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 04:05 PM   #639
thill
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 377200
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Somewhere north of south
Vehicle:
18 Miata Club
Jet Black Mica

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ayau View Post
I'm sure the manual will come when the 250HP comes to the US. The 86/BRZ is at the end of its lifecycle, rumor has it the 250HP 86 will replace it.
If that is the case then I would guess Subaru might drop the BRZ since this new Supra is a joint venture with BMW and made in Austria.
thill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 04:06 PM   #640
heavyD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 194216
Join Date: Nov 2008
Chapter/Region: W. Canada
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Vehicle:
2018 M2 LCI

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NighthawkSTI View Post
Also the S209 drivetrain is pretty much bullet proof now....WELL worth the price difference for what you are getting.
The car isn't even for sale yet so how can anyone declare the drivetrain bullet proof? It's a 2012 based economy car in 2019 at a price range you can get into a Porsche Cayman, RS3, M2C, etc. Heck you can get into the new Supra and have $10k to spare. This is a car for extreme Subaru fanboys with money to burn so it makes sense they are only bringing 200 over.

The current STI is kind of a forgotten car in automotive media fawning over cars like Civic Type R, Golf R, Focus RS or more premium compacts like the RS3 or M2C so I get why they are bringing out these limited volume cars in hopes of maintaining some relevance while they stretch out these old cars. I'm sure they read all the car reviews and can't be happy the STI finishes last in every comparison against it's competition. Most of us realize this car is at the end of the cycle and everyone is just waiting things out in hopes Subaru finally makes some meaningful updates to the next generation STI. It's not like we are asking for a lot either. For me a new engine with more power and styling that doesn't look outdated on arrival would be enough.

Last edited by heavyD; 01-15-2019 at 04:11 PM.
heavyD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 04:11 PM   #641
ayau
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 332408
Join Date: Sep 2012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustyWRC View Post
Are you referring to the "Subaru Global Platform" that the Impreza, Forester, and Ascent are on that the BRZ is NOT on yet?



It does talk about different tuning. You think this new tune would/could take care of the 93-91 gas difference?
Don't think the BRZ will ever be on the new platform. I believe the BRZ only has a 1-2 years left, then it'll be discontinued. I don't believe the Toyota and Subaru venture was supposed to last more than one lifecycle.

Subaru has the WRX/STI for their sports cars (which are much better sellers than the BRZ), and Toyota is now with BMW. I don't think you'll see another RWD Subaru anytime soon.

Base STI owners manual calls for 93 specifically. I doubt the S209 would allow for anything less than 93. Just know that putting 91 will increase the chance of engine knock, which may be the main reason Subaru went with forged pistons and rods in order to sustain more knock. The 340HP was probably done on 93, I think 91 owners will make a little bit less.
ayau is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 04:20 PM   #642
ayau
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 332408
Join Date: Sep 2012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thill View Post
If that is the case then I would guess Subaru might drop the BRZ since this new Supra is a joint venture with BMW and made in Austria.
It's already on its 7th year. I can't see it lasting more than 10. It's starting to get dated and sales are very low.

Toyota may collaborate with Subaru for the new MR2 riding on the new Subaru Global Platform. Give it the 2.0 Subaru with a turbo putting out 210HP. Subaru can call it the next gen BRZ. They would have to use existing parts as engineering a new platform from the ground up is cost prohibitive. Toyota probably wouldn't have created the Supra if it couldn't share the cost with BMW.

Toyota's lineup would look something like this (from cheapest to most expensive: MR2, I4 Supra, I6 Supra.
ayau is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 04:42 PM   #643
NZrex
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 340330
Join Date: Dec 2012
Vehicle:
2015 WRX
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ayau View Post
Can't wait for the next gen STI. It'll be even better than the 60k+ S209 and cost 20k less.
Completely agree. New platform, new styling, all new interior and refinement (but seems I'm the only one on here who cars as about this), better fuel economy and best of all better performance. Could even get side to side torque vectoring. Given how late we'll see the next gen, I'm expecting something special. I'd even go for a hybrid if we get 350-400 hp and torque vectoring.

It might not have the hardcore suspension components of the s209 but that's a good thing. That stuff should be terrible for the ride on the street.
NZrex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 05:15 PM   #644
neg_matnik
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 132389
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: SF Bay Area
Vehicle:
2006 WRX Wagon SGM
2003 SV1000S, 2014 DL650

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustyWRC View Post
[...]It does talk about different tuning. You think this new tune would/could take care of the 93-91 gas difference?
IMO, it's hard to be sure. But, logically, additional power rarely improves detonation issues.
The hotside of the turbo is larger and the exhaust is freer flowing, so that should help extract heat out of the engine and help stave off detonation.
But, maybe engineers are now using less fuel enrichment than before, basically running the engine leaner/hotter to take advantage of the forged pistons.
So, we could be right back to the current situation with 91; pings all over under high loads, forged pistons can take it but we're still down on power with a slightly laggier turbo to deal with.
Silver lining is that a good tune should be able to help with this; add some more fuel back in and make sure timing is not too crazy for our ****ty 91.
neg_matnik is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 05:31 PM   #645
NighthawkSTI
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 495630
Join Date: Dec 2018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by heavyD View Post
The car isn't even for sale yet so how can anyone declare the drivetrain bullet proof? It's a 2012 based economy car in 2019 at a price range you can get into a Porsche Cayman, RS3, M2C, etc. Heck you can get into the new Supra and have $10k to spare. This is a car for extreme Subaru fanboys with money to burn so it makes sense they are only bringing 200 over.

The current STI is kind of a forgotten car in automotive media fawning over cars like Civic Type R, Golf R, Focus RS or more premium compacts like the RS3 or M2C so I get why they are bringing out these limited volume cars in hopes of maintaining some relevance while they stretch out these old cars. I'm sure they read all the car reviews and can't be happy the STI finishes last in every comparison against it's competition. Most of us realize this car is at the end of the cycle and everyone is just waiting things out in hopes Subaru finally makes some meaningful updates to the next generation STI. It's not like we are asking for a lot either. For me a new engine with more power and styling that doesn't look outdated on arrival would be enough.
"bullet proof" in the relative term as used to describe the STI s 6 speed for example, with the pistons being the weak link to high horsepower/RPM reliability and very few durability issues with the rest of the drivetrain, which is what gave this car the reputation it had and made it desireable in its class even with the relatively low horsepower rating compared to the competiton, for the rating it has now 341, is pretty tame for what that block is probably capable of vs the OEM cast pistons from 2004-2018. So that is what I meant by bullet proof.

I didnt say it was indestructible. My guess is that the tune on the S209 is leaving horsepower off the table from the factory. Dont know TOO much about that Turbo...but 18 PSI should be able to be bumped up to 20??? Given that typically 10 horsepower for every 1 psi bump then this S209 can probably be tuned to somewhere between 360 and 370 horsepower without changing anything else except boost timing and fuel curves with a 93 octane tune. And 20 horsepower would be a typical gain on a 93 octane tune for the Base EJ engines with smaller turbo and injectors.

All speculation at this point but I am guessing this S209 engine is going to be capable of making a lot more power stage 1 and stage 2 than all the previous gens, because of the upgrades that they gave it. If that's not a 3" downpipe on it from the factory and it has 2 cats etc...then that thing is going to come alive with a stage 2 tune. Probably will be able to get it close to 400 crank horsepower. Speculation yes....but they changed all the right pieces to make that possible.

Otherwise it would be the first STI that couldn't be tuned for more power right out of the showroom.
NighthawkSTI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 05:33 PM   #646
NighthawkSTI
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 495630
Join Date: Dec 2018
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by thill View Post
Not sure I would call anything bullet proof.

The Ford head gasket issue was a debacle. In 2016 and many 2017 Focus RS cars Ford put the HG found in the 2.3L Mustang Ecoboost instead of the proper HG that was designed for the 2.3L RS engine. So depending when you bought your RS you may or may not have been affected. But the issue is resolved and Ford warrantied the replacement of the HG and any other related recall work. 2 track days and 8K miles later I can say my RS (which did have the recall done before I bought it) has had zero issues. But I am religious about prepping cars for the track.

I am glad to see Subaru step up and address many of the concerns folks have voiced for years and add some really great bits and pieces to the S209. It all comes at a steep cost though (most likely). But for those diehard STI owners this is good news for them if they can secure a car.

Agreed. By bullet proof I just meant that the overall drivetrain now is MUCH more durable and desireable. Its not to say that its indestructible.

Most aren't going to spin these past 7000 RPM so I am sure its going to be a very happy durable engine.
NighthawkSTI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 06:25 PM   #647
JustyWRC
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:
2005 Baja Turbo
06 Forester 18 Imp Sport

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ayau View Post
Don't think the BRZ will ever be on the new platform. I believe the BRZ only has a 1-2 years left, then it'll be discontinued. I don't believe the Toyota and Subaru venture was supposed to last more than one lifecycle.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ayau View Post
It's already on its 7th year. I can't see it lasting more than 10. It's starting to get dated and sales are very low.
Have you not paid attention? It has already been said by SBR that the BRZ gets a 2nd gen. Sales are "very low" but sustained. Especially considering it's in it's 7th model year.
JustyWRC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 07:10 PM   #648
thill
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 377200
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Somewhere north of south
Vehicle:
18 Miata Club
Jet Black Mica

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustyWRC View Post
Have you not paid attention? It has already been said by SBR that the BRZ gets a 2nd gen. Sales are "very low" but sustained. Especially considering it's in it's 7th model year.
Yes I remember seeing that sales have been on target based on what they expected. Glad to hear it. I really hope the next model has a little more power. Nothing crazy nut even just 40 more ft lbs of torque at the current weight. The lack of torque was always the issue for me.
thill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 07:48 PM   #649
aschen
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 30733
Join Date: Dec 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: Houston texas
Vehicle:
2007 tiny car
striped

Default

Havent really paid attention to STi news in a LONG time. This one piqued my interest though. Strengthened motor and bigger turbo and a few other real life substantial improvements.

Then I read the estimated MSRP. 65!!? Holy crap I must be out of touch with reality as that is around 20k more than I would have guessed.
aschen is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 07:56 PM   #650
thill
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 377200
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Somewhere north of south
Vehicle:
18 Miata Club
Jet Black Mica

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by aschen View Post
Havent really paid attention to STi news in a LONG time. This one piqued my interest though. Strengthened motor and bigger turbo and a few other real life substantial improvements.

Then I read the estimated MSRP. 65!!? Holy crap I must be out of touch with reality as that is around 20k more than I would have guessed.
Nobody knows the MSRP but Car and Driver estimated $60-65K. It could be $55K. But the issue at any price will be the dealer markup since there's only 200 and not all dealers will get one. Expect some EBay auctions and the usual dealer shenanigans like marked up accessories ($800 tint jobs, paint protection, LoJack, etc).
thill is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:21 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2019 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.