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01-01-2006, 12:47 AM | #1 |
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I need help with my 02 Wagon Suspension! Hate my Teins
Well, I've had Tein Basics on my wagon a while now and I'm not very happy...noisey, especially in the rear! I think one of the fronts is blown and I'm just looking for a change. I was thinking the Koni/Ground Control set up with 280 9" up front and 250 8" in the rear but....too much work. I'd really rather just have a really nice quality, ADJUSTABLE, Coilovers that will turn my wagon into a great handling and RIDING car. I know this has been discussed before but I can't find anyone who changed from the teins to the Koni/GC set up. Anyway, I need some advice from anyone who's running something that really rides nice and looks good too. I'm willing to pay for a nice set up. It's either this or go back to stock and buy a new car...I'm just tired of it at this point...PLEASE HELP! Who make a good set for the Wagon? Or should I just rebuild the Teins? Thanks in advance!
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01-01-2006, 12:33 PM | #2 |
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well at least now you know. There are some options on the market, but not all work well. Most "look" good but lack real world performance. Having a wagon makes it that much tougher. Whitleline Group-4 coilovers work well. Mavic has the sister version on his car and loves them. He also has a wagon. Even though he gets a STI soon, he tracked that car ALOT in the last 5 years or so.
IF you need any help let us know. Myles Williams GTWORX.com Racecomp Engineering.com 410-730-7223 |
01-01-2006, 12:52 PM | #3 |
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do they have a wagon specific set?
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01-01-2006, 02:46 PM | #4 |
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If your looking for wagon specific and adj- you have a very short list to look at.
I think the Koni insert/GC coilover on oe wagon struts would be a good option. If you don't need height adj, Koni insert and a "regular" spring. |
01-01-2006, 07:38 PM | #5 | |
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01-01-2006, 08:15 PM | #6 |
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The Whitelines have offset'ed flange stud openings so that wagon's can get decent camber with them. PM Arnie about them.
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01-01-2006, 10:01 PM | #7 |
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thanks Mako. Long time no talk...been too busy unfortunately. Are you still running the Tein Flex? How's your Wagon holding up? Who's Arnie BTW?
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01-01-2006, 10:23 PM | #8 |
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Arnie is a friend and Guru who lives here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/member.php?userid=1725
... and is using the Whitelines on his Wagon. Ask him about them. I'm on rebuilt Flex's ... custom valved copying the dyno output of some Koni Yellow's used by a STX AX driver that I respect. 650/550 springs. Wagon is being de-mod'ed to run in STX. On Tuesday the gearbox is being rebuilt with cryo'ed bits. |
01-01-2006, 10:52 PM | #9 | |
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Arnie is a guy who walks with his own hi pressure system with him. ( brings 75degrees and sunny skies where ever he goes) lol..he is a suspension GOD on the forums and very respected. Ask Arnie. Mavic also runs the sister set up on his wagon and loves them. Myles Take a look in this thread. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=909761 we used EVERYTHING WHITELINE HAS TO OFFER ON OUR PROJECT CAR !! |
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01-01-2006, 10:53 PM | #10 |
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01-01-2006, 11:10 PM | #11 |
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ok, so I've been busy. A personal business, 2 kids and a lovely wife keep my attention sometimes...my bad. I guess I'll look to Arnie for some advice. Mako glad to hear the trans is getting done...mine, I believe is getting ready to go. Racecomp, please PM me a price for the 4's and a ALK. Does anyone know what the spring rates are for those coilovers?
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01-02-2006, 11:47 AM | #12 |
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Hi Natoli
i'm in germany at the moment so I'm a little slow at answering PM's, etc. There are two basic Group 4 setups that most people use, the Street/Circuit with 5/4k ring rates and valving or the Race spec with 9/8k spring and valving rates. I use the 5/4k rates but I#m currently using 6/5k rates on the the same valving. It's definitely the upper end of what is recommended on these struts without changing the valving, which I'll be doing in a couple of months. Like mako said the Group 4's use a specially designed lower bracket that allows normal camber adjustment ranges ca. -1.5 degrees camber when used on a wagon and ca. -2.5 degrees when used on a sedan. So, a really ice setup for us wagon users. Some feel they could use more low speed rebound damping but that's not really a performance issue as far as getting better lap times, its primarily a driver feel issue. But that is a huge debate unto itself. I'm very satisfied with mine and find them a great compromise of street and track worthy suspension. I can let you drive my car when I am back in town. Myles - nice bag of toys there for the grocery getter. Last edited by Arnie; 01-02-2006 at 12:35 PM. |
01-02-2006, 12:14 PM | #13 |
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Arnie thanks for the info. I'd love to take the car for a spin when you get back but it seems like I've been sold. the 5/4 set up is going to be what I put in. I think I'll do the ALK and camber bolt at the same time...any other suggestions?
Mako, feel like doing a alignment? or should I just take it to west end alignment? What will one of your alignments set me back? Myles, sent you a PM about a set of the coilovers! |
01-02-2006, 12:32 PM | #14 |
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Feel free to contact me about installation when you get them in. I can install them for you for a nominal donation to the tool fund at Slvrwgn's house. I've installed a few sets and can get you setup pretty well. Mako says my eyeball alignments are only off by about a tenth of degree per side! I'd recommend Mako for your basic alignment, if you are corner wieghting, head on over to west end for the whole deal.
You should be fine with stock camber bolts up front and an additional rear camber bolt. Depending on your needs, either Group N tophats or camber plates. You will need front and rear swaybars for this setup. Whiteline is a firm believer in using swaybars to control roll, not spring rate, so the setup will be best if you pick up their front 22mm swaybar and their rear 22-24mm adjustable swaybar and alu endlinks or pillowball endlinks. Myles can set you up. I prefer the Comfort ALk as I like a bit of refinement in my ride where possible but many can tolerate the Sport ALK. |
01-02-2006, 12:59 PM | #15 |
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I have a the sway bars in already. 22 up front and 22 in the rear. installing perrin link today with the reinforced boxes that hold the bar in place too. broke a mount last month and had to weld it up for the time being. Arnie, where is Silverwgn's house? I have most everything needed to do the install here including air tools except for the torque wrench that tightens the bolts that hold the struts in place...I have STI front top mounts currently and reg's in the rear. the rear STI's would not work for some reason. I rather use these instead of camber plates because I like to run the car pretty low. as soon as I get everything I'll PM you. thanks!
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01-02-2006, 01:00 PM | #16 |
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ohh, and I'll make sure to order the comfort ALK. thanks!
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01-02-2006, 08:59 PM | #17 | |
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01-02-2006, 09:58 PM | #18 | |
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01-02-2006, 10:43 PM | #19 |
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Thanks Miles you Rock! and a deal it is! Just got done putting in the new Perrin rear links and the mounts! no more sqeaking!
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01-03-2006, 12:08 AM | #20 | |
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01-03-2006, 01:09 AM | #21 |
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know what you mean. Service is dead. When's your Birthday BTW? I'll note it on my calender to call you around...say 4:30 a.m. about a bushing issue! He He.ThanKs!
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01-03-2006, 01:44 AM | #22 |
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Sorry Nat ... got to save alignments for my Team Blew AX buddies ... so many, so little time.
Turning a (the boss's) Super Stock Z-06 into a A Stock Prepared car. Relocating a battery from front to rear is a Bitcxh ... even with a $300 everything included kit! Bushings, camber spacers, titanium exhaust, long headers, intake, throttle body, Sparco Evo seat, quick release Momo, Hardbar shift knob, 315/335 Kuhmo 710's on 12" & 13" CCW racing wheels, HD Stiffening Tie-In plate, 3 Way Penske struts, stiffer springs, sway bars, stainless steel brake lines, ECU programing, brake pads. Whew ... but cool to work on a car that is really designed as a race car ... and it's nice to have a REALLY nice place to work on it! Yup, that's a refrigerator full of Samuel Adams back there! |
01-03-2006, 02:29 AM | #23 |
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wow! nice shop!
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01-03-2006, 02:51 AM | #24 |
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Yeah ... exact opposite of my garage.
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01-03-2006, 04:18 AM | #25 | |
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Setting ride height "pretty low" is a no no if you care about performance [for numerous reasons(search)]. though these struts have the most bump travel of anything out there at lowered ride heights, its still not recommended to lower more than 14" F/13.5" R ride heights (center of hub to fender). What are you planning to do with your car? City cruising, canyon runs, track? Don't see why rear STi mounts wouldn't work. The G4's are compatible with either or rear mounts. |
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