Street Mod. - Page 35

*Ulimited* · 11-12-2013, 01:20 PM

Definitely need some more seat time in the car, the event the video was from I was 1.6 seconds off PJ in the panda the event after that I was 2.5 seconds off him.So I still have a ways to go.

Is the quick rack legal in SM? I thought you couldn't replace the steering column.

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Leafy · 11-12-2013, 01:25 PM

You cant replace the steering column inside the passenger compartment. Everything outside is free game

speedyHAM · 11-14-2013, 11:47 PM

Q-rack is legal and very much worth the $$$ for an SM car, or any other subaru that isn't rule bound against it.

If you do install one, careful your first time out. I almost put my GC in a ditch the first hard corner I took after installing a 10.5:1 Q-rack.

em99sport · 11-15-2013, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by speedyHAM

Q-rack is legal and very much worth the $$$ for an SM car, or any other subaru that isn't rule bound against it.

If you do install one, careful your first time out. I almost put my GC in a ditch the first hard corner I took after installing a 10.5:1 Q-rack.

Um, yeah. Q-rack with R-comps made for an interesting fun run for a guy used to a GR STI rack on street tires.

Zefy · 11-15-2013, 12:45 AM

I love my q-rack with r-comps. Such a worthwhile upgrade.

subydude · 11-15-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by em99sport

Um, yeah. Q-rack with R-comps made for an interesting fun run for a guy used to a GR STI rack on street tires.

Imagine spending a year in an FSP Rabbit where the way to go through a slalom is to violently jerk at the wheel and then going to a SM Subaru with a Q-Rack on (admittedly worn) hoosiers

Leafy · 11-15-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by subydude

Imagine spending a year in an FSP Rabbit where the way to go through a slalom is to violently jerk at the wheel and then going to a SM Subaru with a Q-Rack on (admittedly worn) hoosiers

At least you dont have to go hand over hand in slaloms like I have to with the manual rack in the miata. I cant wait till I have the power steering in it for next year.

em99sport · 11-15-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Leafy

At least you dont have to go hand over hand in slaloms like I have to with the manual rack in the miata. I cant wait till I have the power steering in it for next year.

I'm sure it's much more challenging with a lot of power, but I actually like manual steering at STS power levels.

Leafy · 11-15-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by em99sport

I'm sure it's much more challenging with a lot of power, but I actually like manual steering at STS power levels.

With 275's and downforce my slalom speed is limited by how fast I can rip the wheel back and forth. Its pretty stupid, if I really try to push a slalom now I'll get late because I literally wont be able to move my arms fast enough.

subydude · 11-15-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Leafy

With 275's and downforce my slalom speed is limited by how fast I can rip the wheel back and forth. Its pretty stupid, if I really try to push a slalom now I'll get late because I literally wont be able to move my arms fast enough.

Work out more

Leafy · 11-15-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by subydude

Work out more

Lol, you should see the people who arent jacked try to drive it.

em99sport · 11-15-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafy

With 275's and downforce my slalom speed is limited by how fast I can rip the wheel back and forth. Its pretty stupid, if I really try to push a slalom now I'll get late because I literally wont be able to move my arms fast enough.

I can imagine. I was on 195 R1Rs, so no comparison there.

I remember all the CSP guys on m.net recommending power steering for 275 A6s when I was considering a manual rack for my '99. Despite their almost unanimous hatred for manual steering, I still bought the rack...

subydude · 11-15-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by em99sport

I can imagine. I was on 195 R1Rs, so no comparison there.

I remember all the CSP guys on m.net recommending power steering for 275 A6s when I was considering a manual rack for my '99. Despite their almost unanimous hatred for manual steering, I still bought the rack...

Speaking of steering, I've been slowly flushing my PS with some synthetic ATF like the FSM suggests and it IS getting better. The last event really didn't have a lot of back and forth bits to test it with, so we'll have to wait and see if that solves the issue.

If it doesn't, EPS might be in my future. Q-Rack + 295's (or 315's) that suddenly cuts out on you in a slalom = super stiff steering.

Leafy · 11-15-2013, 01:47 PM

Yeah, EHPS is going in my car. I'm just trying to figure out the right pump to run. The MRS is tried and true, and impossible to find now because its tried and true and everyone bought them all.

subydude · 11-15-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafy

Yeah, EHPS is going in my car. I'm just trying to figure out the right pump to run. The MRS is tried and true, and impossible to find now because its tried and true and everyone bought them all.

Noob thought, but is it possible to just find another hydraulic pump that runs off 12v and put it in the car? I know you'd have to get the output PSI right and all, but it's just a pump.

And I just searched for some...seems like the cost is still in the $300-$400 range for places that have pictures. There is this kind of stuff where it's $155 but has a generic image: http://www.buyautoparts.com/buynow/1...FdJj7AodwhEAdw. Just thinking out loud.

Found some Ebay units:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-MR2-S...p2054897.l4276

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-MR2-J...p2054897.l4275

Leafy · 11-15-2013, 02:15 PM

There's plenty of cars with them, but some are CAN controlled, some just have 2 power wires, some have built in computers. The MR-2 pump is the 2nd most popular in the usa, but there's a ton of other random options from europe.

subydude · 11-15-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafy

There's plenty of cars with them, but some are CAN controlled, some just have 2 power wires, some have built in computers. The MR-2 pump is the 2nd most popular in the usa, but there's a ton of other random options from europe.

I've noticed the euro options. I imagine the current hybrid market might also have some if they aren't doing the integrated rack designs. The MR2 just seems like the easy button since others have already figured out the wiring. The 5 minutes I spent reading seemed to say "plug the VSS in here, do some other general stuff, and here's the results".

Leafy · 11-15-2013, 02:21 PM

MR2 or MRS? MRS is figured out, but they come up used once every few months for $350 or $580 for a new one.

subydude · 11-15-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafy

MR2 or MRS? MRS is figured out, but they come up used once every few months for $350 or $580 for a new one.

The one I read was for the MRS I believe since it had the integrated reservoir. However, I skimmed another thread with the non-integrated pump from the earlier model that had what looked to be some wiring diagrams. I noticed the earlier model had an ECU that went with it as well, but no clue beyond that.

Still, even with those types of controls, a pump's a pump. Find the wire that turns it on, then if you don't want to run full bore all the time build an arduino that would vary imput based on your VSS or TPS.

What was it you once told me? If you didn't build it yourself, you weren't trying hard enough

Leafy · 11-15-2013, 02:30 PM

Yes yes. Its still hard to figure out what to search for in junk yards and on ebay for what cars have electric PS pumps.

subydude · 11-15-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafy

Yes yes. Its still hard to figure out what to search for in junk yards and on ebay for what cars have electric PS pumps.

Looking at it, any of the 2nd or 3rd gen MR2s had EHPS. I haven't researched more. If it were me I'd get a 2nd gen and adapt it to fit the OE reservoir/cooler. Older generally means more simple to control as well.

Leafy · 11-15-2013, 03:13 PM

The 3rd gen mr2 is the mrs. The 3rd gen has the computer integrated so it does things like idle down with no load and **** The 2nd gen has the computer external. It too, is expensive, like over $250, but easier to get. There is a selection of mazda pumps to which also come up cheaper, mainly because the electrical connectors get cracked when the cars get in front end accidents, so you can get one with a cracked connector cheap on ebay most days.

If my stupid rule request that would let us modify the steering column inside the passenger compartment had gone through we'd all just be running the GM system for 100 bucks including the custom controller.

subydude · 11-15-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafy

The 3rd gen mr2 is the mrs. The 3rd gen has the computer integrated so it does things like idle down with no load and **** The 2nd gen has the computer external. It too, is expensive, like over $250, but easier to get. There is a selection of mazda pumps to which also come up cheaper, mainly because the electrical connectors get cracked when the cars get in front end accidents, so you can get one with a cracked connector cheap on ebay most days.

If my stupid rule request that would let us modify the steering column inside the passenger compartment had gone through we'd all just be running the GM system for 100 bucks including the custom controller.

Yes, well, if my stupid rule request had gone through to modify the bumper beam I'd be running a low mount turbo and FMIC as well. It seems that there isn't much in the way of new rule allowances coming down the pipe these days.

Leafy · 11-15-2013, 03:25 PM

Yeah but my stupid rule request made everything cheaper.

subydude · 11-15-2013, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Leafy

Yeah but my stupid rule request made everything cheaper.

Gotta keep that barrier to entry alive and well or else people won't have as much to bitch about

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11-12-2013, 01:20 PM	#851
Ulimited Scooby Newbie Member#: 139249 Join Date: Jan 2007	Definitely need some more seat time in the car, the event the video was from I was 1.6 seconds off PJ in the panda the event after that I was 2.5 seconds off him.So I still have a ways to go. Is the quick rack legal in SM? I thought you couldn't replace the steering column. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

11-12-2013, 01:25 PM	#852
Leafy Scooby Specialist Member#: 330625 Join Date: Aug 2012 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2006 WRX WRB	You cant replace the steering column inside the passenger compartment. Everything outside is free game

11-14-2013, 11:47 PM	#853
speedyHAM Scooby Specialist Member#: 48377 Join Date: Nov 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: "They eat fish soaked in lye" Vehicle: 1996 Gutted, built XP class Impreza L	Q-rack is legal and very much worth the $$$ for an SM car, or any other subaru that isn't rule bound against it. If you do install one, careful your first time out. I almost put my GC in a ditch the first hard corner I took after installing a 10.5:1 Q-rack.

11-15-2013, 12:45 AM	#855
Zefy Scooby Specialist Member#: 105104 Join Date: Jan 2006 Chapter/Region: VIC Location: Coquitlam, BC, Canada Vehicle: 1979 BRAT / 01 RSTI 99 2.5TS (DEAD)	I love my q-rack with r-comps. Such a worthwhile upgrade.

11-15-2013, 01:47 PM	#864
Leafy Scooby Specialist Member#: 330625 Join Date: Aug 2012 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2006 WRX WRB	Yeah, EHPS is going in my car. I'm just trying to figure out the right pump to run. The MRS is tried and true, and impossible to find now because its tried and true and everyone bought them all.

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Leafy Scooby Specialist Member#: 330625 Join Date: Aug 2012 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2006 WRX WRB	There's plenty of cars with them, but some are CAN controlled, some just have 2 power wires, some have built in computers. The MR-2 pump is the 2nd most popular in the usa, but there's a ton of other random options from europe.

11-15-2013, 02:21 PM	#868
Leafy Scooby Specialist Member#: 330625 Join Date: Aug 2012 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2006 WRX WRB	MR2 or MRS? MRS is figured out, but they come up used once every few months for $350 or $580 for a new one.

11-15-2013, 02:30 PM	#870
Leafy Scooby Specialist Member#: 330625 Join Date: Aug 2012 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2006 WRX WRB	Yes yes. Its still hard to figure out what to search for in junk yards and on ebay for what cars have electric PS pumps.

11-15-2013, 03:13 PM	#872
Leafy Scooby Specialist Member#: 330625 Join Date: Aug 2012 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2006 WRX WRB	The 3rd gen mr2 is the mrs. The 3rd gen has the computer integrated so it does things like idle down with no load and **** The 2nd gen has the computer external. It too, is expensive, like over $250, but easier to get. There is a selection of mazda pumps to which also come up cheaper, mainly because the electrical connectors get cracked when the cars get in front end accidents, so you can get one with a cracked connector cheap on ebay most days. If my stupid rule request that would let us modify the steering column inside the passenger compartment had gone through we'd all just be running the GM system for 100 bucks including the custom controller.

11-15-2013, 03:25 PM	#874
Leafy Scooby Specialist Member#: 330625 Join Date: Aug 2012 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: MA Vehicle: 2006 WRX WRB	Yeah but my stupid rule request made everything cheaper.