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Old 01-24-2018, 01:31 PM   #1
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Default Stage 2 on CVT 16 WRX

Cobb doesnít recommend going beyond stage 1+
because they say the automatic cvt transmission is weak and take hard pulls.

Has anyone gone stage 2 or beyond on a automatic cvt 2016 WRX and if so, what is your set up?

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Old 01-24-2018, 01:42 PM   #2
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Cobb doesnít recommend going beyond stage 1+
because they say the automatic cvt transmission is weak and take hard pulls.

Has anyone gone stage 2 or beyond on a automatic cvt 2016 WRX and if so, what is your set up?

Thanks
No serious driver/modder of a WRX is in a CVT. Listen to Cobb, you can do it, but you will burn out your transmission.
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Old 01-24-2018, 01:46 PM   #3
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Default Stage 2 on CVT 16 WRX

Thanks for answering my question and Iím pretty happy in my CVT WRX.

I might not be a ďseriousĒ driver but Iíd still like it to sound like a ďserious driversĒ Subaru. What can I do to make it sound better?

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Old 01-24-2018, 02:19 PM   #4
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No serious driver/modder of a WRX is in a CVT. Listen to Cobb, you can do it, but you will burn out your transmission.
Cause the WRX is such a 'serious' car? You sound like Dom on F&F 1...
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:24 PM   #5
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You may just have to take a L on this one.
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:39 PM   #6
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CVTs with completely stock, soccer mom driven cars are failing. Replacement is $8k at the dealer. I wouldn't even do stage 1, if you want to avoid failures. There's an extended warranty on all cvts up to 100k but who here (raise your hand) thinks that the dealer isn't going to check the flash number and put a note in that your ecu is flashed.....allowing a nice bill for you to pay?

(my wife's crosstrek cvt failed at 53k miles)
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Old 01-24-2018, 03:06 PM   #7
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Well, Iíve gone stage one and I like it. Iíd like to get as much rumble as I can out of the exhaust so does anyone have any recommendations for a deep Subaru sound?
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Old 01-24-2018, 03:15 PM   #8
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if all you want is more sound now do whatever you want
nobody ever ruined their engine or trans with a muffler

don't bother asking what other people like, you have to hear an exhaust in person to have any idea what you are getting
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Old 01-24-2018, 03:18 PM   #9
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Just add a catback exhaust. shouldn't change up performance too much. Check out @Austyn_wrx he has a cvt that's decently modified. He may be able to give you a little more insight.
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Old 01-24-2018, 03:55 PM   #10
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From what I have been told by Cobb, a CBE is all they recommend so Iíll be doing that, but Iím just lookin for opinions on which ones have the deepest/loudest sound.
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:04 PM   #11
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You shouldn't add power to CVTs.

My friends works at a dealer and they regularly have newer models with CVTs come back in with issues, even without power adders. Toss in +25% more power and you can really seem some issues.

The CVT was build with economy in mind, mainly for the non-turbo lineup. A small percentage of potential WRX buyers didn't want manuals and thus Subaru answered their prayers by dropping in the current CVT. It's tested and works for the stock power levels, but not much more.
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:24 PM   #12
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if you want it to sound serious, get an axle back exhaust. problem solved. tuning won't make your car sound any different. unless you have an intake and exhaust.
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:26 PM   #13
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I have the Cobb big sf Intake already...just want some sound to go with it
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:48 PM   #14
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A small percentage of potential WRX buyers didn't want manuals and thus Subaru answered their prayers by dropping in the current CVT.
That small percentage is about 50, isn't it?
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Old 01-24-2018, 04:58 PM   #15
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That small percentage is about 50, isn't it?
I stated a small percentage of "potential WRX buyers". No I don't think 50% of potential buyers wanted a CVT.

Once it popped out on the market, it's possible it picked up 50% of sales. I don't have the numbers of that and can't find them online. I'd be happy to look at them though.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:12 PM   #16
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You are not gonna get that Subaru rumble with FA20DIT just saying.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:12 PM   #17
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Cobb doesnít recommend going beyond stage 1+
because they say the automatic cvt transmission is weak and take hard pulls.

Has anyone gone stage 2 or beyond on a automatic cvt 2016 WRX and if so, what is your set up?

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CVTs with completely stock, soccer mom driven cars are failing. Replacement is $8k at the dealer. I wouldn't even do stage 1, if you want to avoid failures. There's an extended warranty on all cvts up to 100k but who here (raise your hand) thinks that the dealer isn't going to check the flash number and put a note in that your ecu is flashed.....allowing a nice bill for you to pay?

(my wife's crosstrek cvt failed at 53k miles)
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You shouldn't add power to CVTs.

My friends works at a dealer and they regularly have newer models with CVTs come back in with issues, even without power adders. Toss in +25% more power and you can really seem some issues.

The CVT was build with economy in mind, mainly for the non-turbo lineup. A small percentage of potential WRX buyers didn't want manuals and thus Subaru answered their prayers by dropping in the current CVT. It's tested and works for the stock power levels, but not much more.
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I have the Cobb big sf Intake already...just want some sound to go with it
CVT and performance is sorta like, "military intelligence", sorta an oxymoron. Nope, no slam on anyone in the military, they may likely agree with me.

Stock they fail.

Sound is NOT performance, it's sound. Start picking different exhaust bits.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:17 PM   #18
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I get that sound isnít performance. What exhaust bits do you recommend...thatís what Iíve been asking about
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:22 PM   #19
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And I get that my car is an apparent piece of **** and not worth modding but Iíd like to do what I can with it and make it sound better
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:30 PM   #20
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And I get that my car is an apparent piece of **** and not worth modding but Iíd like to do what I can with it and make it sound better
Your car is not a piece of ****, you are on the internet and lots of people have opinions. Remember, it was you that asked the question. Relax and read this:

https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2628737

He seems like a smart guy with a smart brother and theyíve tastefully modded a CVT with good results and have been kind enough to share. The armrest mod is definitely worth it.
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And I get that my car is an apparent piece of **** and not worth modding but Iíd like to do what I can with it and make it sound better
Start with like Nameless axle backs with mufflers.
If you don't want to spend too much money get SRS Turning axle backs with mufflers from eBay.
A loud automatic is kinda bad sounding.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:42 PM   #22
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And I get that my car is an apparent piece of **** and not worth modding but Iíd like to do what I can with it and make it sound better
It's not that your car is a piece of ****, it's that its transmission is a piece of ****. Hey, we may get another Crosstrek.....with a 6 speed manual. Although the transmission should be fine, I expect the second generation FB20DIT will probably continue to have zero ways to modify. I am hoping it isn't the piece of **** that the first generation is with its class action settlement extended warranty.

I'm fine knowing the car has to be gone before we exceed 100k miles.
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Old 01-24-2018, 06:55 PM   #23
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Is the tranny that bad?
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Old 01-24-2018, 07:30 PM   #24
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I'd also like to point out that the HTCVT in the WRX is a different transmission than the normal CVT in the rest of the subaru lineup. (except Forester XT, levorg 2.0 and legacy/outback 3.6?)

not saying that they're not failing but there are many modified CVT WRX/Levorg owners running transmission coolers to help with longevity. And dont do brake boosting/launches.

the S4 and JDM Levorg STI Sport both have more power and torque and come with oem trans coolers.

is the HTCVT bulletproof? no, it still is limited at this point. Should you consider a CVT if you want to go big power? most likely not. Can you still have a fun, fast and sporty car with a cvt? hell ya.

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Old 01-24-2018, 08:16 PM   #25
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And I get that my car is an apparent piece of **** and not worth modding but Iíd like to do what I can with it and make it sound better
I, and others, never said what we thought of your vehicle, we're only commenting on getting performance through that trans.

It's your vehicle, your choice.

Seems like there are some good links to others that have done mods (including exhaust) on a similar vehicle.
Welcome to Subaru, good luck on your mods.
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