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Old 07-21-2003, 10:29 PM   #1
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Default forrester xt 8.6sec 0-60?

i just saw a quick one page review in motor trend. they covered both the turbo'ed baja and xt....and est. a 0-60 time of about 8.6 sec

doesn't that seem kinda slow for a car that's suppose to clock the quarter in 13.8?
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Old 07-21-2003, 10:33 PM   #2
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the std forester will do 0-60 around that time,IIRC that was autoweek,I dont think they actually tested them
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Old 07-22-2003, 12:03 AM   #3
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well after all it is a estimate.
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Old 07-22-2003, 12:13 AM   #4
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They screwed up and copied the numbers from the n/a Forester.
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Old 07-22-2003, 12:28 AM   #5
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They didn't screw up - they simply don't take any care with their estimates. In another section, they had an article on the new Nissan Triton and the Ford F-150 trucks. Both had an estimated time of 8.0 secs 0-60, despite the fact that the Triton was nearly 1000lbs lighter than the Ford, and had, according to them, some 50-80 more hp.

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Old 07-22-2003, 12:21 PM   #6
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Wow. They did it again!
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Old 07-22-2003, 12:43 PM   #7
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That whole WTLW thing is so 2 years ago...
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Old 07-22-2003, 01:02 PM   #8
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[color=dark blue]L[/color]et's see how they do with a 5 speed.
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Old 07-22-2003, 03:12 PM   #9
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W ell, I don't know about anyone else, but i think that until they acutally test it, i'm not believing anything.
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Old 07-22-2003, 03:12 PM   #10
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darnit, depeche beat me to the post...
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Old 07-22-2003, 03:15 PM   #11
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lol
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Old 07-22-2003, 11:17 PM   #12
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PS there is only One R in forester,


(O.k technically there is two but well you get my point!)
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Old 07-23-2003, 12:08 AM   #13
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hondaslayer are you being a smartass?
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Old 07-23-2003, 02:23 PM   #14
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I have heard several different 0-60 times. One which I found on site which I believe uses computer simulations and I find very hard to believe is 5.25s and another which I feel is a little more realistic which was done in Canada is 6.1s, both for a 5MT.
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Old 07-23-2003, 05:00 PM   #15
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To abandonhope16: Check carefully the Canadian citation. It's not 0-60 mph in 6.1, it's 0-100 kph in 6.1. That would translate to 0-60 mph in around 5.7 to 5.8 seconds.

Moreover, that was Subaru of Canada's 'official' claim. It's pretty well established that Subaru is very conservative with performance claims, compared to what magazine road-testers are able to obtain. This was true of the WRX, and it evidently is also true of the XT. So, the 5.7-5.8 seconds I noted above became 5.3 seconds in Car & Driver's August road test, and 5.25 in the table you referenced.

Those numbers are evidently legitimate. I can't say for sure, because I'm still in the break-in phase with my XT.

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Old 07-23-2003, 06:24 PM   #16
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i knew i shouldn't hav trusted motortrend on anything
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Old 07-23-2003, 07:30 PM   #17
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Well, to be fair, when M/T gets around to actually road-testing the XT, I'm sure they'll report reasonable numbers. The 8.5-second thing was an oversight.
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Old 07-24-2003, 12:06 AM   #18
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Oversight? They were off by 60%. That's irresponsible.
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Old 07-24-2003, 01:13 AM   #19
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Nobody's perfect. Car & Driver's illustrious August XT road test apparently contained incorrect MT gear ratios (using ratios from the normal Forester MT, instead of the WRX ratios that the XT actually has). If that weren't bad enough, C&D's tabulated speeds-in-gears at redline were calculated purely from those incorrect ratios, and evidently were not verified by actual observation (which would immediately have revealed that the published ratios could not be correct).

They listed max speed as 129mph at 5900 rpms, but that works out to 21.8 mph/1000 in top gear. The correct value, using the correct 0.738 5th gear ratio instead of 0.78, is closer to 22.8. Therefore, either the published top speed or else the RPM at which it was reached has to be incorrect. Either the engine was turning slightly under 5,700 rpm at a true 129mph, or else the engine actually was turning 5900, but then the true speed would have been about 134. Which is correct? Who knows? The larger question is, how do these discrepancies slip past and get into print? The automotive pros at both C&D and Motor Trend ought to have caught these before publication.

The rule of the game when reading published road tests from any source is "Trust - but verify."

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Old 07-25-2003, 03:05 PM   #20
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Whether the gear ratios were correct or not, [speculation]it's possible that the ECU won't let you go faster than 130mph in 5th gear...[/speculation]
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Old 07-25-2003, 04:56 PM   #21
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I think that's probably true; C&D's test indicated that their XT was governor-limited to 129mph. My only point was that its engine could not have been turning 5900 at that speed.
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