2022 Subaru BRZ News and Rumors

[samagon]

Originally Posted by BeepBoop

You're googling the 90s one. I specifically said 80s. The 80s one ranges from 2800-3200.

not sure where wikipedia got their info (cause I see the 2800 lbs claim as well), but according to a few other sites I've visited, every version of the turbo (manual/auto) weighed more than 3000 lbs.

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[blurred]

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

Is own3d still a thing?

Very nice comparison. I’ll have to dust off my spreadsheet where I calculated the wheel torque at given vehicle speeds and see how the new BRZ compares to the old.

Edit: dusted. Looks like the BRZ gen 2 (if 4.44) will make ~25% more torque to the wheels than the gen 1.1 (4.11) across the vehicle speed range. At 20mph, it will make a whopping 40% more torque because 20mph in first gear was the pit of despair on the gen 1.1 (4000RPM). The Fiesta will hold to the gen 2 until 20-25mph where the BRZ’s narrow gear ratios and wide RPM band take over.

The correct term would be Axle Torque, not Wheel torque, wheel torque takes rollout into consideration on the power side. Did you use the dyno graphs for each car and correct rollout for speeds??

Here is my old Fiesta ST with mp215 kit Axle torque graph, using my dyno graph in 250rpm increments

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

very possible the roof lights has LED upgrade

No doubt; but, when EVERY other light on the car is LED.................why should I have to pay more for them?

[subyski]

Originally Posted by heavyD

Maybe it's me but I don't crash into cars or other things so headlight replacement costs isn't something I ever consider when looking at a vehicle.

It's not so much that. If an LED diode dies, it you're SOL if it's out of warranty. Sure, LED's should last a "lifetime" but I've seen plenty of OEM LED taillights with failed diodes. One or two diodes is maybe fine, looks bad but it still sucks as there's only one fix, full replacement. LED headlights are not cheap and it give insurance companies more reason to charge higher premiums too. Honda has issues with their DRL LEDs burning out.

I'm for improved headlight and light output but it can come at a cost.

[BeepBoop]

Originally Posted by heavyD

Maybe it's me but I don't crash into cars or other things so headlight replacement costs isn't something I ever consider when looking at a vehicle.

Can you really not see how something that has mechanical actuation would have a shorter life than something permanently fixed in place?

Do YOU want to pay to replace the motors on those stupid things when they act up 10 years into a car's life (or earlier), or are you one of those people that thinks of cars as disposable things you're going to replace ever 3-5 years

I typically own cars late into their life and have to deal with all the shortcomings of things hitting their failure points. I'd prefer cheap, easy replacements with a focus on minimal extra **** that can go wrong. Keeping it stupid simple is an art form lost on modern automotives.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by BeepBoop

Can you really not see how something that has mechanical actuation would have a shorter life than something permanently fixed in place?

Do YOU want to pay to replace the motors on those stupid things when they act up 10 years into a car's life (or earlier), or are you one of those people that thinks of cars as disposable things you're going to replace ever 3-5 years

I typically own cars late into their life and have to deal with all the shortcomings of things hitting their failure points. I'd prefer cheap, easy replacements with a focus on minimal extra **** that can go wrong. Keeping it stupid simple is an art form lost on modern automotives.

I totally agree. These are the reasons I never saw myself owning my Golf R longer than the 6 year warranty I had - only ended up having it 2 years because of other life circumstances.

I'm strongly considering one of these in a few years. The wife gave me the thumbs up. This would likely be a long-term car as it'd be a third car, garage kept. I'd much prefer to avoid too many gizmos and gadgets especially on a Subaru. VW has been doing gismos and gadgets for so long that they've worked out the kinks, Subaru, not so much. Although I guess if the tech is coming from Toyota/Lexus, I might be a bit more up for it.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by BeepBoop

Can you really not see how something that has mechanical actuation would have a shorter life than something permanently fixed in place?

Do YOU want to pay to replace the motors on those stupid things when they act up 10 years into a car's life (or earlier), or are you one of those people that thinks of cars as disposable things you're going to replace ever 3-5 years

I typically own cars late into their life and have to deal with all the shortcomings of things hitting their failure points. I'd prefer cheap, easy replacements with a focus on minimal extra **** that can go wrong. Keeping it stupid simple is an art form lost on modern automotives.

Turn SRH off.......fixed......

[samagon]

Originally Posted by BeepBoop

Can you really not see how something that has mechanical actuation would have a shorter life than something permanently fixed in place?

Do YOU want to pay to replace the motors on those stupid things when they act up 10 years into a car's life (or earlier), or are you one of those people that thinks of cars as disposable things you're going to replace ever 3-5 years

I typically own cars late into their life and have to deal with all the shortcomings of things hitting their failure points. I'd prefer cheap, easy replacements with a focus on minimal extra **** that can go wrong. Keeping it stupid simple is an art form lost on modern automotives.

as long as it doesn't get stuck in a permanently cross-eyed position I couldn't care less if the turning motors break, so long as the bulbs produce light and point ahead???

[BeepBoop]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Turn SRH off.......fixed......

That works! I wasn't aware you could do it.

Originally Posted by samagon

as long as it doesn't get stuck in a permanently cross-eyed position I couldn't care less if the turning motors break, so long as the bulbs produce light and point ahead???

I'd say the chances of it breaking and staying aligned or being aligned straight ahead instead of breaking mid-turn and sticking that way are small. Justy's suggestion works perfectly, though. If it's a permanent setting I can disable, it then becomes a non-issue.

[samagon]

I bet there's a manual override kind of thing where you can align them, if they break in a cross eyed position.

bottom line, lots of options and the safety feature is hardly the end of the world if it breaks.

[Brahmzy]

LOL

Are we seriously discussing unfounded theoretical breakages of Subaru SRHs?

First, those motors are meant for ungodly amounts of runtime and activations.
Second, there has been no known said breakages. Correct me if I am wrong.
Third, my Ascent headlights are so badass I do not think I want another Subaru without them. I would gladly cough up for a headlight if I still own the vehicle outside of warranty.

[lil'redwagon]

My dad has a Mercedes that has headlights with motors in it. One side broke and it was permanently pointed down, like with the cutoff on the ground 6 feet in front of the car. No replaceable parts, just a new headlight assembly at those prices (~$1,000 for one). His warranty either just ran out, or it didn't cover it. I think he ended up claiming it on his insurance. Pretty ridiculous. I would opt out if given the choice.

[Brahmzy]

Originally Posted by lil'redwagon

My dad has a Mercedes that has headlights with motors in it. One side broke and it was permanently pointed down, like with the cutoff on the ground 6 feet in front of the car. No replaceable parts, just a new headlight assembly at those prices (~$1,000 for one). His warranty either just ran out, or it didn't cover it. I think he ended up claiming it on his insurance. Pretty ridiculous. I would opt out if given the choice.

Key word - Mercedes. Remember, German cars are STILL known for all kinds of little $hit breaking.

[nashcarr]

I like it, but not enough to get rid of the 2020tS I just purchased.

Like any other Subaru, the design grows on you after about 4-5 years.

[Brahmzy]

Somebody needs to steal one and dyno it.

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by nashcarr

I like it, but not enough to get rid of the 2020tS I just purchased.

Like any other Subaru, the design grows on you after about 4-5 years.

What if they release a ts version of the new brz. proper brembo brakes, unique dampers, better engine with almost no torque dip

[illmatic]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

What if they release a ts version of the new brz. proper brembo brakes, unique dampers, better engine with almost no torque dip

I'm 100% sure Subaru will release special editions with Brembo brakes (found on VA WRX PP) etc.

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by illmatic

I'm 100% sure Subaru will release special editions with Brembo brakes (found on VA WRX PP) etc.

but will subaru reward enthusiasts with a STI performance exhaust and very unique and lighter cold air intake. they have a chance to prove to us that we can get the power and handling without needing the turbo. they already took care of the torque dip

[subyski]

Originally Posted by bugatti0628

but will subaru reward enthusiasts with a STI performance exhaust and very unique and lighter cold air intake. they have a chance to prove to us that we can get the power and handling without needing the turbo. they already took care of the torque dip

Now that you mentioned it, I'm really surprised Subaru didn't release a STI exhaust or intake. TRD did for the FRS/86. They could have just rebranded the TRD units.

[Calamity Jesus]

A 22B homage rendering by Khyzyl Saleem:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH_CXPoBGKA/

[bugatti0628]

Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus

A 22B homage rendering by Khyzyl Saleem:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CH_CXPoBGKA/

ohh! the calamity that would be sick as a limited edition just like the 22b was. should they build it and limit it to 400 units

[4S-TURBO]

Needs a turbo.

[torquemada]

and all wheel drive

[4S-TURBO]

and WRC thing

[oichan]

Meh.. Not sure why kids think lowering a ride that low looks good. Looks like a frog that got stepped on at the golf course.