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04-14-2010, 11:26 PM | #226 |
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I just got my Dom3 XTR powered 05 STi Tuned by Element Tuning on Tuesday. Since Element does not have a dyno we borrowed the dynomite dyno at AMS. The the AMS dyno is a roller dyno (like a Mustang) that supposedly reads higher than a Mustang but lower than a dynapack. My final numbers on meth were 461.1HP/472.6TQ and the final non-meth map made around 416HP/420TQ.
Here's a partial list of my mods: 100% STOCK longblock (yes, I know it wont last) Dom3 XTR with 3" inlet APS DR725 FMIC GTspec Header/Up-Pipe Tial 44mm EWG (Supertrap silencer installed on the dump tube) TurboXS 4" Downpipe Cobb Catback (100% catless) DW950cc Side Feed Injectors AVC-R boost controller APS 3" turbo inlet Hydra EMS Hydramist meth injection kit (50/50 meth/water) The wobble in the lines at 5700 and 6800 are due to boost fluctuations. At my request we setup the AVC-R at a static duty (to save time) since I can tune the boost my self for free. Meth: Pump Gas Only: This is an old graph from Agile's dyno which supposedly reads higher than AMS's but its still interesting to look at the lines. The green line is my old Dom3 (no meth) and the yellow line is the 20G that I had before that. A number of things have been slightly changed since my tune at Agile but the cars basic setup is the same. I was worried that the XTR was going to be really laggy with the 10cm hotside but the car is making 219TQ at 3000RPM and 379.7TQ at 4000 RPMs which doesn't seem that bad. In comparison, the Agile dyno reported that my peak torque on the Dom3 was 387 at 4351RPM so chances are that I am making more power nearly everywhere. On the street it does NOT seem to have the instant punch of the standard Dom3 but its pretty fast up top. On a side note, I would like to extend a special thanks to Moore Performance for letting me test a few of their new products on the car. Ryan has some really good stuff in the works!
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04-14-2010, 11:34 PM | #227 |
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I like Dom 4 - tuned one in Rockcester today, 400 / 400 on pump gas, very nice street turbo wit minimal lag
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04-15-2010, 12:51 AM | #228 |
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Dexterous,
Awesome results well done Nice strong gains from meth.. Could I ask - Did u always have the APS FMIC in with the previous two turbo's? (20g and dom3) How much boost did you run again (sorry could not find it)? Also are you running 91 or 93 otane? Cheers Rob |
04-15-2010, 12:54 AM | #229 |
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Very cool.
So your not afraid of adjusting the boost yourself with the AVC-R huh? I'm always afraid that I will run lean up top if I adjust it higher. All I do is try and get it to spool as quick as possible. Although, I gotta admit, I'm no expert on the AVC-R! Been reading through the manual and it amazes me how much stuff it can do. |
04-15-2010, 07:05 AM | #230 | |
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Rob, There were no changes between the 20G and the Dom3 other than the turbo its self. When I upgraded to the XTR I discovered issues with my borla header so I swapped to a GTspec header/up-pipe combo which was more of a repair than anything. I also upgraded from an AccessPort to a Hydra and installed the hydramist meth kit. Other than the fact that a different person tuned the car, I would find it hard to believe that the power changed very much between the header and ECU swap. The FMIC as well as all the other parts on the car were pretty much identical. |
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04-15-2010, 07:10 AM | #231 | |
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04-15-2010, 09:39 AM | #232 |
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how are you guys getting these torque #'s out of the xtr's? my car made 394/360 w/ dom3 xtr and im very happy with it but i would love for it to have more torque.
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04-15-2010, 10:07 AM | #233 |
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turn the boost up.....1psi = 10-15 ft*lbs
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04-15-2010, 11:55 AM | #234 |
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04-15-2010, 12:01 PM | #235 |
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depends on how your tune is setup.
most likely you have the stop MAP sensor and a ebcs......most tuners wont go above 22-23 psi if thats the case. mikey runs 26psi with a t60r on 93 octane. i have run 32 psi on 91+meth with my dom4xtr. really depends on if you want to push it or not. its pretty easy to test out. |
04-15-2010, 12:13 PM | #236 |
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hmmm....maybe a 3bar map sensor is in order then?
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04-15-2010, 04:07 PM | #237 |
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maybe the regular Dom3 but not the XTR. It is better all around.. by looking at plots of the XTR and my dyno plot, peak torque will be about the same with more top end, which in my opinion is better.
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04-15-2010, 05:37 PM | #238 |
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04-15-2010, 08:28 PM | #239 |
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I may have missed it but will the dom5.0xtr results be posted here? Or is there a thread for that?
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04-16-2010, 08:02 PM | #240 |
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Check out this thread. There is some info on it there.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1969610 |
04-21-2010, 02:35 AM | #241 |
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MORE 4.0xt-r charts!!!!
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04-21-2010, 09:02 AM | #242 |
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Event: dyno pull/tune April 17 2010
Location: EngineLogics @ Houston, TX Ambient Temp: 74 F Elevation: The elevation of Houston, TX is 43Ft. Weather: sunny, dry, clear, cool, low humidity Tires: Potenza RE 010 245/45/18 Car: 2005 STi Tuner: Brad Dyno Info: DynoDynamics Peak HP at RPM: 389.6 @ 6000 Peak Torque at RPM: 369.6 @ 4900 Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: 218-228 whp Target Boost: 25 psi Target AFR:11.4 Fuel: 93 unleaded Shell V-Power w/ 100% Meth injection Engine/Power Modifications: Blouch Dom 3.0 XT-R, dw 850 injectors, catless invidia bellmouth dp, Tanabe Medallion Touring 3" CBE, grimmspeed port polish/ceramic coated manifold and uppipe, custom 72mm short ram intake, aps inlet, txs large topmount I/C, spec C I/C sprayer/tank, smc 100% meth injection, 1 step colder ngk iridium plugs, walbro 255, grimmspeed ebcs, grimmspeed tgv deletes port and polished/ceramic coated and phenolic spacers, turbo blanket and heat wrapped coated downpipe Driveline Modifications: ACT streetlite clutch and flywheel Suspension Modifications: Prodrive STi lowering springs (eibach), strut tower braces Other Modifications: Advan RS 18x8.5 this was a retune ~6 months after the initial tune, i had turbine noise compressor turbine clearance issues when hot, returned turbo to Blouch issues resolved and retuned. the boost accuator arm was also sticking closed at that time. during the previous tune my meth was also leaking at the seals resulting in decreased psi /flow for injection. all issues resolved so here we go. Last edited by krambte79; 04-21-2010 at 09:14 AM. |
04-21-2010, 11:35 AM | #243 | |
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04-21-2010, 11:47 AM | #244 |
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I have to say as a tuner, the dom 2.0, 3.0, and 4.0 have always far exceeded my and my customer's expectations on speed, spool, and power, and this thread is a great example. Nobody is beating a stock location dominator with a single scroll 30 or 35R rotated setup, thats awesome. I'll have a built 2.5L dom 4.0 chart up here in a few weeks if everything goes well... its freaking insane on my break-in street tune already...
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04-22-2010, 03:12 PM | #245 |
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what the crap is the deal with with the U.S. market being so slow with billet stuff. looks like the U.K. has all sorts of 'em. (i.e. billet rotated). blouch has the corner on the market.
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05-12-2010, 12:00 AM | #246 |
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Event: Dyno Tune
Location: Epic Motorsports Ambient Temp: 70's Elevation: any where from 95ft to 240ft Weather: over cast Tires: Stock Sti re070's Car: 2006 STi Tuner: Robbie ( Robbieshonda) Epic Motorsports Dyno Info: Mustang AWD-1100 Transmission: Stock STi 6 speed Gear: 4th Peak HP at RPM: 461whp roughly 7200 rpms Peak Torque at RPM: 440tq roughly 4500 rpms Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: STI 2.5l 235whp/240wtq Target Boost: 28psi Target AFR: 11.4afr ( car was happy a tad richer than normal on alky) Fuel: 93 Oct 50/50 water meth Engine/Power Modifications: AR Fabrication Short Block , Stock Heads and Cams (Needed), Perrin FMIC, Epic TGV Deletes, Perrin Fuel Rails, PE850cc Injectors. Blouch Dominator 4 xtr, GT Spec Header and Up pipe with 38mm Tial ewg dumped to Atmosphere, Blitz nurspec catback, Not sure which Down pipe is on there Ill check it out in the am pretty sure its an invidia catless. HallMan Pro MBC, Labonte Alky Kit. Perrin new silicon inlet, Perrin blow thorugh maf.. Thats about it. Driveline Modifications: Short Shifter, ACT Extreme PP sprung 6 puck clutch. Suspension Modifications: Stock Struts tein springs. Last week I ran 23psi maxed the Maf sensor at 5 volts using the new Perrin "BigMaf" that looks similar to the K&N Typhoon. Just got the Perrin Blow through and it worked great. On 93oct pump gas only, I was running 22.5psi could have gone a bit higher but I wasnt number chasing and he's going to run the alky kit all the time anyways 400whp/409wtq I had a handfull of runs in the 400whp/425tq range with an extra degree of timing but again no need to get crazy. With the alky on and some more tuning 28psi It ripped a few 460whp pulls. Wasnt driving timing too much and this turbo loves boost. The more boost the smoother it pulled. If you arent running 25psi+ with this turbo your really missing out. I love it. I'll post some dyno sheets when i get back to the shop in the AM I forgot to grab them when I left. Last edited by Epic Motorsports; 05-12-2010 at 10:52 AM. |
05-12-2010, 03:17 AM | #247 |
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awesome stuff mate!!
Can I ask - when do you hit 28psi in 3rd and 4th gear? Thanks |
05-13-2010, 12:47 AM | #248 |
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Does anybody have any numbers for a Dom3 XTR on a motor with head work such as cams or larger valves?
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05-13-2010, 01:06 AM | #249 |
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05-13-2010, 06:22 PM | #250 |
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I have cams on my 2.0. I'd suggest going larger than BC 272's.
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