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Old 02-23-2005, 01:52 PM   #126
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The WRX is a more important vehicle to SOA than the STI is, due to the volume of cars sold. The STI, by definition, is supposed to be a limited production, high performance version of the WRX. It's good for publicity and bragging rights, but as a pure moneymaker, the WRX is far more important. The STI will keep pace with whatever Mitsubishi comes out with, and if the cost has to go up considerably, it won't matter THAT much, because they don't need to sell this car in really high numbers. The WRX DOES need to sell in fairly high numbers.
With that in mind, it makes perfect sense to me that SOA would stick the 2.5 engine in the WRX with at least 250hp and 250 ft/lbs (basically the Legacy XT engine). The price of the car would not have to be increased significantly if at all, and it would revitalize WRX sales better than anything else they could do, within reason. I don't think it would cannibalize STI sales much at all, especially if the STI power gets bumped up to 325hp or more. There will always be those who must have the more radical STI version, even if the WRX is not that far behind, performance wise.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
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Old 02-23-2005, 02:07 PM   #127
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smart man..
my prediction..
slight facelift, same HP..
2007 - all new

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i heard so mutch diff. stuff about the 06 sti that im just not going to listen to anyone untill i see subaru saying something about it...
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:23 PM   #128
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pretty simple
227HP - ULEV
300HP - LEV
400HP - never gonna pass US emmissions

not in a 4 cyl trubo
subaru had to redesignate the outback as a truck to stay with in their emmisions standards as it is
actually, that's not exactly true...the designation was due to CAFE regulations, which has more to do with average mpg. please don't quote me on this(i'm not all knowing), but EPA classification for a passenger car has to average over 24/25mpg...trucks=19... this is only what i've heard from SoA...i do know, as a fact, that the new leg/out's have lower emissions than previous(california, of course is even lower)... there were a couple other considerations, such as ground clearance increase, and option/intention of factory tinted windows(which isn't legal on passenger cars)....
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:23 PM   #129
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The WRX is a more important vehicle to SOA than the STI is, due to the volume of cars sold. The STI, by definition, is supposed to be a limited production, high performance version of the WRX. It's good for publicity and bragging rights, but as a pure moneymaker, the WRX is far more important. The STI will keep pace with whatever Mitsubishi comes out with, and if the cost has to go up considerably, it won't matter THAT much, because they don't need to sell this car in really high numbers. The WRX DOES need to sell in fairly high numbers.
With that in mind, it makes perfect sense to me that SOA would stick the 2.5 engine in the WRX with at least 250hp and 250 ft/lbs (basically the Legacy XT engine). The price of the car would not have to be increased significantly if at all, and it would revitalize WRX sales better than anything else they could do, within reason. I don't think it would cannibalize STI sales much at all, especially if the STI power gets bumped up to 325hp or more. There will always be those who must have the more radical STI version, even if the WRX is not that far behind, performance wise.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
Plus, there are things like weight, interior, suspension and differential that will be different between the two cars...
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:25 PM   #130
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I am speculating like everyone else, but I think Subaru has to put the 250hp Legacy GT engine in the standard WRX soon to stay competitive with a EVO RS, etc. (a well equiped WRX can easily get into the upper 20's which is about what an EVO RS lists for). If the WRX has the 250hp Legacy engine, I think it would require Subaru to push the STI's power up some to justify the price difference between the STI and the WRX. I don't know if this means 400hp but I could definitly see 350hp or so. The above is purely wishfull thinking, but I think required to continue selling the WRX for close to $30k and the STI for almost $35K. Also keep in mind that much has changed since the WRX came out in '01. We now have EVO's, MazdaSpeed 6's, Altima's with 255hp, etc. It seems that all cars are getting much faster and the WRX is not the standout it once was.
i've heard 230hp with the new engine for the WRX and FXT. also consider that mitsu is ditching the 3 levels for the EVO9, which is planned to come in MR trim only, with different options and roughly 310ish mules...of course, what does that matter if mitsu is going to close their doors, as studies have shown to be the case within the next few years....
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Old 02-23-2005, 04:50 PM   #131
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The WRX is a more important vehicle to SOA than the STI is, due to the volume of cars sold. The STI, by definition, is supposed to be a limited production, high performance version of the WRX. It's good for publicity and bragging rights, but as a pure moneymaker, the WRX is far more important. The STI will keep pace with whatever Mitsubishi comes out with, and if the cost has to go up considerably, it won't matter THAT much, because they don't need to sell this car in really high numbers. The WRX DOES need to sell in fairly high numbers.
With that in mind, it makes perfect sense to me that SOA would stick the 2.5 engine in the WRX with at least 250hp and 250 ft/lbs (basically the Legacy XT engine). The price of the car would not have to be increased significantly if at all, and it would revitalize WRX sales better than anything else they could do, within reason. I don't think it would cannibalize STI sales much at all, especially if the STI power gets bumped up to 325hp or more. There will always be those who must have the more radical STI version, even if the WRX is not that far behind, performance wise.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
I'd be happy with the 6 speed, and put in a highway gear for 6th so that I can cruise 75mph at < 2500 rpm, that way I can actually get decent gas mileage without having to go 60mph.
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:30 PM   #132
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The JDM Evo IX will be available in RS, GT and GS-R versions from March 18th (in Japan, obviously). No one knows what trim levels will be available in the US, or whether it will be equipped with S-AYC etc. However, given the current output of the Evo VIII, it's highly probable that the US IX will meet, or possibly (slightly) exceed the current STi output. It's certainly true that Mitsu Motors are in big financial trouble and it is rumoured that they may pull out of the US entirely or maybe sell their US operations.....I hope not. I think the Evo is a great car and anyone considering purchasing an STi are doing themselves an injustice by not considering the Evo. For me, it's going to be a very difficult decision choosing between the two.
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Old 02-23-2005, 05:43 PM   #133
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with such little performance difference bet/ the two, i think it comes down to A)What are you going to use it for: track or street... B)reliability in the long run?? concern or not....C)safety....D)styling and comfort......... i hate to compare performance, since they are so dang close, yet very very different in drive feel. just like the 10 year history of both models, the EVO is better for the track, and the STi for a daily...IMO
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:48 AM   #134
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Has anyone read the article about the S203 in SCC this month? They add fuel to this rumor by stating that SOA might play with the idea of making a 2.5l version of the S203 for the US... And that it would be in the neighborhood of 400hp...
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Old 02-24-2005, 09:42 AM   #135
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awww man, don't say things like that.

I wish Subaru would be more forthcoming about future plans. There's a fine dividing line between creating some mystique for forthcoming models and pissing the customer off due to lack of info. I would quite happily wait if I knew something like this was definitely in the pipeline. I'd be mighty upset if I dropped $30k+ on an STi or Evo and then this monster turned up (even if it turned out to cost $40k).
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:13 PM   #136
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Well, my dealer said that Subaru is going to jump from making 6 and 4 cylinder engines to 12 cylinder engines, since it's cheaper to skip a step or two"5cylinder". The car will be an STI, but not have STI labels, instead it will be painted STI red/pink. Oh, it's supposed to be about $40k, but comes with a motorcycle with matching sidecar both worth $20k. So, your getting the STI pink 12 cylinder subaru for $20k.
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:18 PM   #137
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finally someone got the correct info:-).....thanks minnesoooooooota
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Old 02-24-2005, 01:54 PM   #138
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1) the new WRX design is hideous.

2) STi. you think you have issues with getting car jacked in these? wait till there are more limited editions of the STi (S203 & the rumored ESX 425hp STi). Its too bad that almost all the great performing cars have to be designed like "look at me, look at me!"

Subtly is a beautiful thing.
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Old 02-24-2005, 02:51 PM   #139
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finally someone got the correct info:-).....thanks minnesoooooooota

Sherre thang. Y'all come back now heah!!! Cept yankeees!!
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Old 02-24-2005, 05:12 PM   #140
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Sherre thang. Y'all come back now heah!!! Cept yankeees!!
hey, don't make us minnesotants out to be hicks.

BTW, i thought it was odd that two rumors, from two seperate dealers, in two totally different states had the same "info" on the upcoming STi's. Makes you wonder.
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Old 02-24-2005, 06:17 PM   #141
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todd, the helpful rookie who attempted to get me to buy a sti when i was origionally planning on a wrx told me that if I got the sti, I would have an all wheel drive car...

dose any part of that sound weird? It dose to me... idk

(um... cept yankees? Us minnesotants are yankees buddy, glad to be of help)
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Old 02-24-2005, 06:31 PM   #142
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hey, don't make us minnesotants out to be hicks.

BTW, i thought it was odd that two rumors, from two seperate dealers, in two totally different states had the same "info" on the upcoming STi's. Makes you wonder.
Hicks? I was just speaking "sawthawn."
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Old 02-24-2005, 06:53 PM   #143
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Subtly is a beautiful thing.
I think you mean 'subtlety', which is a noun. 'subtly' is an adverb.. it's like saying 'swiftly is a beautiful thing' instead of 'swiftness is a beautiful thing'.
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Old 02-24-2005, 07:15 PM   #144
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awww man, don't say things like that.

I wish Subaru would be more forthcoming about future plans. There's a fine dividing line between creating some mystique for forthcoming models and pissing the customer off due to lack of info. I would quite happily wait if I knew something like this was definitely in the pipeline. I'd be mighty upset if I dropped $30k+ on an STi or Evo and then this monster turned up (even if it turned out to cost $40k).
I think by looking at past experience, Subaru is very good at keeping a secret (to the point of making people angry) and by suprising everyone with the results/end product. I have said this before......I think 350-400 hp is very believable and I wouldn't be suprised by these numbers. Just look at the cars already putting out those numbers (or soon to be) 300C SRT8, CTS-V, GTO, Mustang Cobra etc....those cars are all capable of sub 5 second 0-60 times. The STi has to (and will) respond IMO.
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Old 02-24-2005, 07:24 PM   #145
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How about examples of current 4-cylinder production cars with those numbers.
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If they can maintain the curb weight at around 3300 lbs, then a bump to 330 hp & 330 lb/ft torque would be well worth having
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Old 02-25-2005, 03:21 AM   #147
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well if general manager said it, it must be true...

Honestly, dealerships are retards, I go there and laugh when they try to tell me about cars they know nothing about. then i educate them about them

They are testing a H6 turbo drivetrain but i doubt they will release it next year.

Ben
Yea I agree, when I bought my 04-Sti, I asked the Dealer what size are the speaker ports or holes, whatever you wana call them He then grabed a tap measure opend my car door and tryed to measure it with the door panle on and everthing, My friend and I just started laughin Thats how smart the dealers are LOL

on another note, I wana 3.7 boxer-6 STI with 480whp-425wtq with a curb weight of 3,000 pounds thats my 06 STi for all yall

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Hicks? I was just speaking "sawthawn."
ohh...at least better than that accent they give us in Fargo. "ohh Yah"
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I think by looking at past experience, Subaru is very good at keeping a secret (to the point of making people angry) and by suprising everyone with the results/end product. I have said this before......I think 350-400 hp is very believable and I wouldn't be suprised by these numbers. Just look at the cars already putting out those numbers (or soon to be) 300C SRT8, CTS-V, GTO, Mustang Cobra etc....those cars are all capable of sub 5 second 0-60 times. The STi has to (and will) respond IMO.
I'm right with you brother, I've been saying that myself!!!, hopefully we're right!
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I think you mean 'subtlety', which is a noun. 'subtly' is an adverb.. it's like saying 'swiftly is a beautiful thing' instead of 'swiftness is a beautiful thing'.

yes, thats what I meant. the correct spelling always gets the better part of me.

thanks.

in other words: discrete. (<-- should have just typed that to begin with. )

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