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Old 07-13-2007, 05:40 PM   #251
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I'm at 2885 right now W/out driver. I see it almost balancing out by the time your done for ESP.

Exoctics, such as carbon seats and $$$$$$ wheels would definetly offset the motor and such.
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Old 07-13-2007, 05:43 PM   #252
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KC: Nice work on the search engine find!

Guess that 'few hamburgers over 2900lbs' thing needs to be amended to 'plus some BBQ and ribs'.

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Old 07-13-2007, 05:58 PM   #253
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We've seen as low as 2880 on the SCCA scales but also as high as 2910 with no changes at all to the car. Not exactly accurate when the scales get setup in a non-level parking lot. Figure somewhere in the high 2800s for a fully prepped 02/03 STX sedan. Mike King supposedly had his down to 2860 before he sold it, I think that's about the limit you could possibly get in ST trim. I'd like to see Randy's car on the scales as I think he's done more in the weight reduction department than the rest of us have (those rear swiss cheese rotors for instance). I think you'd shave some off of that with the further weight reduction (flywheel, clutch, seats) you can do in SP but I think you also gain a lot back with some of the heavier components(tires, wheels, diffs). I'd personally be surprised if you could get an ESP WRX into the 2700s no matter which one you started with. I'd start with a bug-eye, they look the best.
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:26 PM   #254
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You would drop some weight with the 15" Hoosier setup. I know you can get well-designed 15s over the bugeye brakes. I doubt that you could with the 06+ brakes. IIRC the ST brake allowances don't let you go smaller, so if that is the case then the best build starts with a bugeye. The gearing and ride height difference from the 275/35/15 is much more valuable than the extra 10mm of rubber from the 285/30/18 package.
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:58 PM   #255
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You would drop some weight with the 15" Hoosier setup. I know you can get well-designed 15s over the bugeye brakes. I doubt that you could with the 06+ brakes. IIRC the ST brake allowances don't let you go smaller, so if that is the case then the best build starts with a bugeye. The gearing and ride height difference from the 275/35/15 is much more valuable than the extra 10mm of rubber from the 285/30/18 package.
This isn't an ST* build, but an *SP build which allows for update/backdate. You could legally run '02 WRX brakes on an '06-'07.
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:10 PM   #256
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I know you can get well-designed 15s over the bugeye brakes. I doubt that you could with the 06+ brakes.
There are plenty of 15" rally wheels designed to clear the 4-pots so it wouldn't be impossible.
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:28 PM   #257
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If anything the 4-pots are *easier* to get 15-inch wheels over than the 02 WRX brakes. The 2-pot caliper is taller (but narrower) than the 4-pot which is why it runs into clearance issues with smaller diameter wheels. For example, the 15x7 +45mm Kosei K1 (that I ran on my former 99RS) *will* clear the 4-pot brakes, but *won't* clear the 2-pot 02 WRX brakes. The same is true with the 15x7 Raceline RL-7s.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:26 PM   #258
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I had a brain fart on the SP UD/BD. That's what I get for typing before thinking.

If you can clear the 4 pots with 15" wheels then I'd use the 4 pots all the way. The bugeye brakes suck, but I would do whatever it takes to get the 15" Hoosiers on the car even if I had to sacrifice braking.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:26 PM   #259
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So who is going to build this car and win ESP anyway? It needs to happen.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:36 PM   #260
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So who is going to build this car and win ESP anyway? It needs to happen.
Talking with Justin's other codriver on the way home from yesterday's event, I wouldn't be surprised to see that car in ESP next year. Who knows, maybe they'll even let me drive it!

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Old 07-16-2007, 04:40 PM   #261
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You can drive mine as soon as I fix that pesky smoke screen attachment in my muffler!
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:53 PM   #262
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You can drive mine as soon as I fix that pesky smoke screen attachment in my muffler!
I did see an STX ITR that was smoking almost as badly yesterday in Danville. I don't know what his excuse is.
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Old 07-16-2007, 04:54 PM   #263
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I'm hoping mine is the oil lines to the turbo, I'll have to check it out this weekend. That ITR doesn't get the same excuse
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Old 07-16-2007, 06:18 PM   #264
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So who is going to build this car and win ESP anyway? It needs to happen.
I'm at 80***37;...need about 12k more to make it complete...and a tow vehicle.

need different wheels/tires
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:00 PM   #265
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So who is going to build this car and win ESP anyway? It needs to happen.
Tell us that the WRX will stay in ESP and that we won't be getting an Impreza Turbo (all) in BSP with the ongoing rumors of an SP re-org and Jen and I will start talking with Greg and\or Jason about combining cars and funds and going for it this weekend in Finger Lakes. We've half-heartedly batted around the idea just about every time we get together for an event. I think we all want to do it but none of us were willing to put the money forth this year when the talk was of re-org and I'm not sure any of us want to dump the big bucks into it solo.
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Old 07-16-2007, 09:42 PM   #266
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Yeah I'm waiting to hear that the wrx will stay in place for now as well. I never even know 100***37; that I will own the car in 2 months, I've got a car switching problem for real
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:08 PM   #267
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Tell us that the WRX will stay in ESP and that we won't be getting an Impreza Turbo (all) in BSP with the ongoing rumors of an SP re-org and ....
If that happened, what further changes would be needed to prep to BSP? STI's active diffs? Wouldn't the gearing already be better than an STi's? What else?
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Old 07-16-2007, 10:37 PM   #268
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The turbo, at the least. I still hear conflicting reports on what is and is not kosher for ud/bd. That may require replacing the engine and tranny with those out of an STi The turbo is one of the main reasons the STi is BSP and the rex is ESP, as the STi can push so much more boost. Of course also the advanced diffs and such in the STi, but I'd have to research to see if the acd can even be retrod into a 5spd? I think it would technically be allowed in ESP though, as you can replace the diffs to begin with. Basically combining the SPs makes it more expensive for the wrxs to prep, but allows us to run the unbreakable tranny, which might wind up saving money in the long run
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If that happened, what further changes would be needed to prep to BSP? STI's active diffs? Wouldn't the gearing already be better than an STi's? What else?
If that happens I think it all depends on the way the line is worded. If it is in fact Impreza Turbo (all) then an '02/03 shell and brakes (STI brake cylinder maybe?, you've at least got to use the STI ABS to make the ACD happy see this is where UD/BD becomes really fun and $$$ where you've got an inclusive line) with an STi engine/turbo plus the '07 STI transmission (transmission must be UD/BD as a unit) plus at least a rear diff if not a front as well, '05+ STi uprights/bearings (could you UD/BD this without also UD to the Brembos? Could you make the ACD work if you don't? Probably not on both cases but I'm not really sure) and halfshafts. At first guess I'd call it another $6-8K on top of the cost of what we already think an ESP build would be if you can find the drivetrain in a wrecked car. That's just a first guess.
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Old 07-17-2007, 12:23 AM   #270
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There are plenty of 15" rally wheels designed to clear the 4-pots so it wouldn't be impossible.
15" rally wheels are nowhere near wide enough for the 275-15s....

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The bugeye brakes suck, but I would do whatever it takes to get the 15" Hoosiers on the car even if I had to sacrifice braking.
With 15's on the car...the stock brakes become big brakes. Much the same as puny Brighton brakes work well with 13" wheels but suck with 15" or bigger.....

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Tell us that the WRX will stay in ESP and that we won't be getting an Impreza Turbo (all) in BSP with the ongoing rumors of an SP re-org and Jen and I will start talking with Greg and\or Jason about combining cars and funds and going for it this weekend in Finger Lakes.
If you're serious about that....we've got the wheels/and fresh tires stacked in the basement right now.....come get 'em. However, if they did put Impreza Turbo (all) in the rulebook for BSP, they better dam well put BMW E36 (all) in there too....for the same reasoning for and against.


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Old 07-17-2007, 09:45 AM   #271
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agree with you Jay...we would need at least a 9 in wheel...maybe a 10...

interesting you guys think the 15 in is the way to go...I understand cost...some of the Diamond wheels like Pat has on his DSP RS might work... personally I would rather see 18's to take advantage of the gearing...I think the 15 would be to short....

so do we want to put together a car for ESP or build one thats already in contention...(Phils)....I am sure I have something around here to donate...

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I hope to add diffs to the list by the end of the year before my sponsorship agreement runs out. I hope they decide to resign but it was for one year initially. I should be able to get the cusco diffs for about $3k total...and I think I can get seats through them but I think all they carry are Bride and I'm waaaay to big for those...

wheels/tires might have to wait until 08 and the 2.5 might have to wait until 09...all this is pending this horrible rumor that my 2L bugeye would get thrown in the mix with Bill and Justin's STi's. If that happens, sorry guys, I'll have to sell it and start over with something different...like an atlantic or D mod or something along those lines.
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15" rally wheels are nowhere near wide enough for the 275-15s....
Did I say, "RL-7's would make kick-arse wheels for these tires"? No. I merely pointed out that some 15" wheels do, in fact, clear the 4-pots, thus it would presumably be possible to have a wheel of proper width built that could still clear the calipers. Obviously you'd want a wheel wider than 7".

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Tell us that the WRX will stay in ESP and that we won't be getting an Impreza Turbo (all) in BSP with the ongoing rumors of an SP re-org and Jen and I will start talking with Greg and\or Jason about combining cars and funds and going for it this weekend in Finger Lakes. We've half-heartedly batted around the idea just about every time we get together for an event. I think we all want to do it but none of us were willing to put the money forth this year when the talk was of re-org and I'm not sure any of us want to dump the big bucks into it solo.
I would be happy to give you my opinion. I am not allowed to speak in any official capacity outside of a Fastrack release. My opinion is that people are scared *****less of rally cars in BSP, and moving the WRX onto the same line as the STi is out of the question.
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that would be Pat
Doh...sorry Pat
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