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#251 |
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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Location: San Diego, Ca.
Vehicle:2005 XT 5sp, 02 WRX 01 Legacy 95 Impreza L |
![]() I'm at 2885 right now W/out driver. I see it almost balancing out by the time your done for ESP.
Exoctics, such as carbon seats and $$$$$$ wheels would definetly offset the motor and such.
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#252 |
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Member#: 11482
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region:
South East
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Vehicle:02 WRX Acute Stickeritis |
![]() KC: Nice work on the search engine find!
![]() Guess that 'few hamburgers over 2900lbs' thing needs to be amended to 'plus some BBQ and ribs'. ![]() ![]() -Biggly |
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#253 |
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Member#: 35190
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Cleveland, OH
Vehicle:2003 WRX STX #77 www.soloracer.com |
![]() We've seen as low as 2880 on the SCCA scales but also as high as 2910 with no changes at all to the car. Not exactly accurate when the scales get setup in a non-level parking lot. Figure somewhere in the high 2800s for a fully prepped 02/03 STX sedan. Mike King supposedly had his down to 2860 before he sold it, I think that's about the limit you could possibly get in ST trim. I'd like to see Randy's car on the scales as I think he's done more in the weight reduction department than the rest of us have (those rear swiss cheese rotors for instance). I think you'd shave some off of that with the further weight reduction (flywheel, clutch, seats) you can do in SP but I think you also gain a lot back with some of the heavier components(tires, wheels, diffs). I'd personally be surprised if you could get an ESP WRX into the 2700s no matter which one you started with. I'd start with a bug-eye, they look the best.
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#254 |
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Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:2005 STi Silver |
![]() You would drop some weight with the 15" Hoosier setup. I know you can get well-designed 15s over the bugeye brakes. I doubt that you could with the 06+ brakes. IIRC the ST brake allowances don't let you go smaller, so if that is the case then the best build starts with a bugeye. The gearing and ride height difference from the 275/35/15 is much more valuable than the extra 10mm of rubber from the 285/30/18 package.
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#255 | |
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Join Date: Sep 2004
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Location: C-Ville, VA
Vehicle:In hibernation... |
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#256 | |
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Member#: 2230
Join Date: Aug 2000
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Location: Toronto these days
Vehicle:2000 2.5RS Silverthorn, PGT #671 |
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#257 |
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Join Date: Aug 1999
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Location: WNC
Vehicle:06 WRX TR (SGM) 89 MR2 (Ice Blue) |
![]() If anything the 4-pots are *easier* to get 15-inch wheels over than the 02 WRX brakes. The 2-pot caliper is taller (but narrower) than the 4-pot which is why it runs into clearance issues with smaller diameter wheels. For example, the 15x7 +45mm Kosei K1 (that I ran on my former 99RS) *will* clear the 4-pot brakes, but *won't* clear the 2-pot 02 WRX brakes. The same is true with the 15x7 Raceline RL-7s.
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#258 |
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Member#: 5817
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:2005 STi Silver |
![]() I had a brain fart on the SP UD/BD. That's what I get for typing before thinking.
If you can clear the 4 pots with 15" wheels then I'd use the 4 pots all the way. The bugeye brakes suck, but I would do whatever it takes to get the 15" Hoosiers on the car even if I had to sacrifice braking. |
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#259 |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Vehicle:2005 STi Silver |
![]() So who is going to build this car and win ESP anyway? It needs to happen.
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#260 |
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Member#: 6850
Join Date: May 2001
Chapter/Region:
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Location: SoBWI, MD
Vehicle:1996 Camaro Z28 1LE, '23 WRX & '19 XV |
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#261 |
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Join Date: May 2005
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Vehicle:2018 Aprilia Tuono v4 1100 |
![]() You can drive mine as soon as I fix that pesky smoke screen attachment in my muffler!
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#262 |
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Member#: 6850
Join Date: May 2001
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Location: SoBWI, MD
Vehicle:1996 Camaro Z28 1LE, '23 WRX & '19 XV |
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#263 |
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Join Date: May 2005
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Vehicle:2018 Aprilia Tuono v4 1100 |
![]() I'm hoping mine is the oil lines to the turbo, I'll have to check it out this weekend. That ITR doesn't get the same excuse
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#264 |
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Location: SouthSide Jax, FL
Vehicle:169k mile race car Black |
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#265 |
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Member#: 35190
Join Date: Apr 2003
Chapter/Region:
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Location: Cleveland, OH
Vehicle:2003 WRX STX #77 www.soloracer.com |
![]() Tell us that the WRX will stay in ESP and that we won't be getting an Impreza Turbo (all) in BSP with the ongoing rumors of an SP re-org and Jen and I will start talking with Greg and\or Jason about combining cars and funds and going for it this weekend in Finger Lakes. We've half-heartedly batted around the idea just about every time we get together for an event. I think we all want to do it but none of us were willing to put the money forth this year when the talk was of re-org and I'm not sure any of us want to dump the big bucks into it solo.
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#266 |
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Member#: 100265
Join Date: Nov 2005
Chapter/Region:
MAIC
Location: Blacksburg, va
Vehicle:1999 powered '90 Miata |
![]() Yeah I'm waiting to hear that the wrx will stay in place for now as well. I never even know 100***37; that I will own the car in 2 months, I've got a car switching problem for real
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#267 |
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region:
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Location: Bowie, MD
Vehicle:98 Italkart F125 Black |
![]() If that happened, what further changes would be needed to prep to BSP? STI's active diffs? Wouldn't the gearing already be better than an STi's? What else?
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#268 |
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Member#: 100265
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Location: Blacksburg, va
Vehicle:1999 powered '90 Miata |
![]() The turbo, at the least. I still hear conflicting reports on what is and is not kosher for ud/bd. That may require replacing the engine and tranny with those out of an STi
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#269 |
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Member#: 35190
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Location: Cleveland, OH
Vehicle:2003 WRX STX #77 www.soloracer.com |
![]() If that happens I think it all depends on the way the line is worded. If it is in fact Impreza Turbo (all) then an '02/03 shell and brakes (STI brake cylinder maybe?, you've at least got to use the STI ABS to make the ACD happy see this is where UD/BD becomes really fun and $$$ where you've got an inclusive line) with an STi engine/turbo plus the '07 STI transmission (transmission must be UD/BD as a unit) plus at least a rear diff if not a front as well, '05+ STi uprights/bearings (could you UD/BD this without also UD to the Brembos? Could you make the ACD work if you don't? Probably not on both cases but I'm not really sure) and halfshafts. At first guess I'd call it another $6-8K on top of the cost of what we already think an ESP build would be if you can find the drivetrain in a wrecked car. That's just a first guess.
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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Location: SAUL'S Motorsports
Vehicle:96L Most Over- Developed Beater |
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#271 |
Subtly Outspoken
Moderator Member#: 238
Join Date: Sep 1999
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Vehicle:OG05 STi 51E |
![]() agree with you Jay...we would need at least a 9 in wheel...maybe a 10...
interesting you guys think the 15 in is the way to go...I understand cost...some of the Diamond wheels like Pat has on his DSP RS might work... personally I would rather see 18's to take advantage of the gearing...I think the 15 would be to short.... so do we want to put together a car for ESP or build one thats already in contention...(Phils)....I am sure I have something around here to donate... ![]() Bill Last edited by Scooby South; 07-17-2007 at 02:14 PM. |
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#272 |
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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Location: SouthSide Jax, FL
Vehicle:169k mile race car Black |
![]() I hope to add diffs to the list by the end of the year before my sponsorship agreement runs out. I hope they decide to resign but it was for one year initially. I should be able to get the cusco diffs for about $3k total...and I think I can get seats through them but I think all they carry are Bride and I'm waaaay to big for those...
wheels/tires might have to wait until 08 and the 2.5 might have to wait until 09...all this is pending this horrible rumor that my 2L bugeye would get thrown in the mix with Bill and Justin's STi's. If that happens, sorry guys, I'll have to sell it and start over with something different...like an atlantic or D mod or something along those lines. |
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Join Date: Aug 2000
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Location: Toronto these days
Vehicle:2000 2.5RS Silverthorn, PGT #671 |
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#274 | |
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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#275 |
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Join Date: Sep 1999
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Vehicle:OG05 STi 51E |
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