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#9801 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 57287
Join Date: Mar 2004
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Vehicle:2002 Bugeye STi MY07 WRB FXT |
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#9802 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 419593
Join Date: Apr 2015
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#9803 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 57287
Join Date: Mar 2004
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Vehicle:2002 Bugeye STi MY07 WRB FXT |
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To quote from the article "Gourmands and chefs may quibble, but at the end of the day, nothing can beat the Big Mac on three crucial points: It's cheap, it's consistent, and it's downright good." Last word in that quote "Good", not great. Don't care that people eat millions daily or whatever. The WRX is good, not great, that is my point. If you think it is great, than your definition is broken. It's not even great for it's price point, it's a Big Mac. Good and that's all it will ever be, unless Subaru decides to up it's game. |
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#9804 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 419593
Join Date: Apr 2015
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![]() You are certainly entitled to your opinion, as wrong as it may be. Fact is that it is a vast improvement to the VA and it dominates this segment in terms of sales. It is a true and proven legendary platform. Articles are spot on. Cheers!
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#9805 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: www.testdrivemylife.com
Vehicle:2024 JP GCL Overland Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000 |
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Maybe you should look up opinion. In a world where just about every performance car is selling for sticker or above, the WRX has cash bribes on the hood to move them. They are the ugly big mac of cars. |
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#9806 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 419593
Join Date: Apr 2015
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#9807 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 57287
Join Date: Mar 2004
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Vehicle:2002 Bugeye STi MY07 WRB FXT |
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Your advocation for the WRX being great was proven false, by these articles that you were trying to use to justify unending affirmation for the VB WRX. |
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#9808 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 75071
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Long Island
Vehicle:23 Solterra,ModelY Old: 05 08 11 WRX, 18 STI |
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#9809 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region:
SWIC
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Vehicle:2017 Impreza Sport Lithium Red - OLDKID |
![]() Stop feeding the troll who doesn't respond to reason.
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#9810 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 132389
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: SF Bay Area
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I routinely redline all my cars in at least 1st and 2nd, e-v-e-r-y single day and that's just going to work ![]() I won't even mention motorcycles; I had a Ninja 250 that you just had to rev to 16K just to reach 15 MPH ![]() |
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#9811 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 75071
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Long Island
Vehicle:23 Solterra,ModelY Old: 05 08 11 WRX, 18 STI |
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Then, as the WRX got cheaper (used cars) the demographics shifted younger, we started to gain the California flat-brim, Stance (slammed cars with lots of negative camber), "illest" stickered guys. Then we had the vap crowd. Today, with forums dwindling (FB is terrible for car groups, FYI), it seems to be mostly older guys (I'm 38) who are holding onto the old days (myself included). You have a mix of OG nice guys (chanomatik), OG mean people (I won't name them) and new trolls. There needs to be healthy debate, and listening, but that's tough when everyone is behind a keyboard. Overall, we are nice and helpful. Unfortunately, you are in the "vent thread." So don't expect much. I helped to create the 2.4T subforum, and hopefully that will flourish and offer a productive space for VB owners. Please create threads and refer others to join NASIOC. Last edited by Snow Drift; 04-06-2023 at 01:57 PM. |
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#9812 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 75071
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Long Island
Vehicle:23 Solterra,ModelY Old: 05 08 11 WRX, 18 STI |
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EDIT: I caught up with the thread, and you are well aware of this from the VA. |
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#9813 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:2005 Baja Turbo 95&96 Sambar 06 Forester |
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![]() Utah Motorsports Campus. They only used a smaller section of it with several turns to highlight the handling mostly. I did try redline on the first couple turns. Was just slower after the power tapered off. Why would I continue in the rpms if the power was "gone"? |
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#9814 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 75071
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Long Island
Vehicle:23 Solterra,ModelY Old: 05 08 11 WRX, 18 STI |
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These cars run out of steam around 5,500 so a second later you are at redline. You would redline most gears on track, especially when testing. |
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#9815 | |||
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 153088
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Arlington, TN
Vehicle:2005 Baja Turbo 95&96 Sambar 06 Forester |
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I'm(personally) not typically looking at the tachometer when I'm driving like that. I'm feeling everything. And I was shifting once I felt power waning off. I did look down a couple times during this to see the redline and figure why people were worried about it. All I had was bewilderment about it. It was doing fine and I was certainly not going to gain any significant speed in that "second" you mention. |
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#9816 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 132389
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: SF Bay Area
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Shifting at redline in 1st drops RPM back down to 3500 RPM into 2nd. Things get better from 2nd to 6th but, in my mind, there's no question, that 1st to 2nd shift needs to happen at redline to keep the engine on boil...on my way to work ![]() |
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#9817 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 75071
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Long Island
Vehicle:23 Solterra,ModelY Old: 05 08 11 WRX, 18 STI |
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Last edited by Snow Drift; 04-07-2023 at 11:02 AM. |
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#9818 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 442
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: RI/SE Mass
Vehicle:25 Mazder CX70 00 S2k |
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#9819 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 26859
Join Date: Oct 2002
Chapter/Region:
TXIC
Location: undisputed COMBAT! champion
Vehicle:of TXIC I also like (oYo)!!!! |
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however, if you try to tell me that the Big Mac is better than even a Whataburger hamburger (or In-N-Out if you don't have access to a Whataburger) specifically because of the amount sold, I gotta call BS. the Big Mac is cheaper and easier to access than either of those two options, but better? nope, no one can convince me that McDonalds hamburger is better than Whataburger, or In-N-Out. and just to be clear, the WRX is the Big Mac, the GR Corolla can be the Whataburger, and the CTR can be the In-N-Out burger, and maybe the Golf R is Red Robin. if McDonalds revamps their special sauce it may be better than the previous version of the special sauce, and in turn the Big Mac may be a better hamburger than it used to be, but it still isn't as good as other lower volume fast food options that add just a little bit more care into the creation of their burger, at a higher cost. |
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#9820 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 377200
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Somewhere north of south
Vehicle:21 Supra 3.0 MSM |
![]() Have not been around much, I think the new WRX looks worse in person than even in pictures, but is there any rumor of a refresh? In the Northeast dealers are offering discounts and there seems to be lots of inventory. One dealer near me is offering $4K+ off MSRP on the WRX but no discount on other Subaru's like the BRZ or even Impreza. Crazy. I have to think Subaru will need to do something.
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#9821 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region:
SWIC
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Vehicle:2017 Impreza Sport Lithium Red - OLDKID |
![]() You've been missed. To catch you up on things, according to the non-haters the new WRX isn't ugly, doesn't need to change anything, and Subaru has always offered discounts on the WRX and dealers have always had excess supply when production numbers are level.
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#9822 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 75071
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region:
Tri-State
Location: Long Island
Vehicle:23 Solterra,ModelY Old: 05 08 11 WRX, 18 STI |
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2) It does need to change some things. 3) They have always offered discounts. We used to make fun of anyone paying over invoice. 4) They have always had cars on lots. All 3 of my red WRX were off the lot (rare color, low production). My STI was custom ordered. |
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#9823 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 159474
Join Date: Sep 2007
Chapter/Region:
SWIC
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Vehicle:2017 Impreza Sport Lithium Red - OLDKID |
![]() Apologies, I was legitimately combining two conversations so as to cut them off at the head before they resurfaced. I wasn't intending to have your conversation of dealership lots and pricing come across as sarcasm.
I paid MSRP for my 2013 BRZ and 2011 WRX Limited because I chose to be an early adopter of both. Otherwise everyone after me got Invoice or close to it. My current Impreza was Invoice, so at this point no one should settle for MSRP. Sent from my SM-F926U using Tapatalk |
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#9824 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 377200
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Somewhere north of south
Vehicle:21 Supra 3.0 MSM |
![]() I disagree on inventory and discounts. There is little to no competition right now where I live within a 75-100 mile radius (which in central New England encompasses about 4 states).
For example looking at Autotrader I see: - 13 Elantra N's for sale and most of those are in-transit and many of those I guarantee will be marked up. - 9 Honda Civic SI's. Same as above. You will have to order and wait and likely pay markup. You are definitely not getting any type of steep discount. - 8 GTI's. Same as above. Good luck finding one for MSRP or less and be prepared to wait a long time for the exact spec you want. 200 new WRX's for sale. Many on lots with discounts. And you could also argue that Subaru also offered big discounts on Impreza hatchbacks, Crosstreks, BRZ etc in the past. Almost everything I am seeing is MSRP and definitely not $4500K off MSRP like I finding on the new WRX. It tells me two things. One, dealers are having problems moving these at MSRP. With the competition having little to no inventory, Subaru should be selling every one of these cars at MSRP or higher. You can't compare this to pre 2020. The market has completely changed with even less competition. For an AWD sports sedan there is nothing near the price range, Subaru literally has the market to themself. It has to be the styling. |
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#9825 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 377200
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Somewhere north of south
Vehicle:21 Supra 3.0 MSM |
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