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Old 01-21-2017, 05:30 PM   #276
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Still waiting on my WRX unit from my mechanic. Doing a Killer B spoolinator GTX3076r and my AWIC setup since I am working way to much OT and not able to do most of it myself. He told my two weeks maybe three at most; then he lost a bunch of mechanics. His 2 EFI University Certs, Mainline Dyno and his longed Suby experience are the only reason that I let it go this long. I have weird dreams at night about the car; I am missing it so.


Side note regarding pumps - it can depend on where you pump from as jet and centrifugal pumps can push a lot of fluid but cannot pull fluid very well at all hence they need often be primed thoroughly if dry. In our cases they should be at a low spot or at the reservoir like many of us AWIC'ers; and I might be wrong but I reason these above pump types might be "happier" pulling from a larger diameter opening like a reservoir where there is a large area to intake fluids.

Pistons pumps, (like an engine) can do both push and pull very well and it doesn't need priming less it has a habit of collapsing the incoming piping; plus they blow **** up if there is a down stream restriction which is a big downside for us folks. While they are phenomenal at producing EPIC shower head pressure they are probably not for us unless we add pressure relief valve(s).
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Old 01-23-2017, 08:02 AM   #277
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so they like to push? thats good to know, i thought they liked to pull. right next to the tank seems to make the most sense.

pretty sure the Bosch unit is a centrifugal pump.
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Old 03-08-2017, 12:06 AM   #278
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So from what I've gathered people have had good luck with antifreeze / water wetter / water mix for their fluid system. Has anyone had issues with the coolant ruining their electric pumps? I'd imagine not but wanted to ask.

I'm in the north east so I have to run some form of coolant unfortunately.

My setup is by no means crazy but I'm still excited to get it installed and plumbed in none the less.

Keep up the good work guys.
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Old 03-08-2017, 01:50 AM   #279
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I believe coolant does add a very thin layer on parts (the stuff that helps metal parts not corrode). I'm not sure it would be enough to mess with a pump.

I will admit mine has been making noises, but I suspect there's air in the system, or my coolant level gets low to the pump inlet on inclines. I'll report back when I investigate after I can drive in to my house after snow melts.
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Old 03-10-2017, 07:04 PM   #280
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I may order another pump as a backup just in case. Installing all the bits this weekend along with my Cusco bits that have to be installed while the front bumoer is off.

Pics to follow.

Thank you everyone for all the info listed, it's been very helpful thus far
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Old 03-12-2017, 05:54 PM   #281
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Got everything in, everything went as good as I was hoping. I'm already looking for a bigger heat exchanger but this one will do for now.

Here's a few pics of my 04 FXT



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Old 05-23-2017, 11:26 AM   #282
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I think something like this is going to be my next step.
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:49 PM   #283
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Got everything in, everything went as good as I was hoping. I'm already looking for a bigger heat exchanger but this one will do for now.

Here's a few pics of my 04 FXT



This is the set up on my car. It came as OEM equipment. I love my WAIC. I have heard they don't flow as well as TMIC's at higher boost, but for what Im running it is fine (Also they used them in the early legacy rally cars so can't flow that bad).
I been for long drives in the hills and when I have stopped I have been able to touch the intercooler and it was cool to touch - try that with a TMIC or even a FMIC
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Old 05-23-2017, 09:52 PM   #284
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Got everything in, everything went as good as I was hoping. I'm already looking for a bigger heat exchanger but this one will do for now.

Here's a few pics of my 04 FXT





just a side note.

as per the mishimoto instructions, your mishimoto rad cap should be on the expansion tank and the oem cap should be on the mishimoto rad or overheating may occur.
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Old 05-28-2017, 04:06 AM   #285
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Just fitted up a new Davies Craig 150lpm water pump for my setup. Just waiting for the motor to be finished and hopefully 550-600whp [IMG][/IMG]
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:11 PM   #286
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Just stumbled upon this thread and I have to say great job to all the guys that did this. In all my years on forums, it goes down as one of the most impressive DIY mods.

I saw some logging data in turbineguy's thread on another forum and was hoping someone could share their own experience.

With regards to being at a standstill / creeping or very slow stop and go traffic. What kind of air intake temps, above ambient temperature do you see?

I do a lot of stop and go driving, sometimes at a complete standstill. With an Air to Air setup, I can see IAT's go 70F above ambient and then they take forever to come down which is why I want to go with an air to water.

For my setup, I was thinking about a heat exchanger with fan's behind it, would probably set them up to come on at speeds below maybe 5mph or maybe the activation should be temperature based?

My car has a turbo timer & coolant pump that remains on for 10mins after shutdown. Was thinking about using that to also keep on the heat exchanger pump and fans behind the heat exchanger.
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Old 06-09-2017, 04:58 PM   #287
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Just stumbled upon this thread and I have to say great job to all the guys that did this. In all my years on forums, it goes down as one of the most impressive DIY mods.

I saw some logging data in turbineguy's thread on another forum and was hoping someone could share their own experience.

With regards to being at a standstill / creeping or very slow stop and go traffic. What kind of air intake temps, above ambient temperature do you see?

I do a lot of stop and go driving, sometimes at a complete standstill. With an Air to Air setup, I can see IAT's go 70F above ambient and then they take forever to come down which is why I want to go with an air to water.

For my setup, I was thinking about a heat exchanger with fan's behind it, would probably set them up to come on at speeds below maybe 5mph or maybe the activation should be temperature based?

My car has a turbo timer & coolant pump that remains on for 10mins after shutdown. Was thinking about using that to also keep on the heat exchanger pump and fans behind the heat exchanger.
Hey man, as far as logs/experience, although I do not log temps before and after yet (I do not have sensors in place yet), I can tell you that this setup allows me to push almost 300whp out of a vf39 (but doesn't quite want to crest the edge) on 92 pump gas and a very safe tune which is not bad at all.

As far as adding a fan, or using your turbo timer to keep pump on, I honestly don't see the point. I run without fans and touch my WAIC unit from time to time and even stop and go in hot days it's never been hot or even warm to the touch.

The thing that's cool about the setup is the water reservoir gives you a pretty large buffer of cooling power that works while you stand, and since you're not really under boost at that point as long as you're not pulling air directly out of hot engine bay there isn't much of a heating source anyway since the turbo isn't spooling. This is a different story if you're running a hot ram style intake but something like the COBB SF, Stock or CAI all pull air from outside the engine bay.

That's just my opinion, I haven't done too much testing, but I can tell you without a single doubt that I can run much more aggressive timing in just about every scenario knock free over TMIC.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:47 AM   #288
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I'm new to this forum and just read this. Some of the installs are very impressive. Without getting into if one is better than another I'd like to just make a couple of statements which you can ignore or research yourself.

First of all water to air is not correct, and it's really air to liquid as the heat is transfered from the air to a liquid of your choosing. Very few run straight water. I understand I'm being anal here because it's pretty much a universal thing to call them air to water. Second, they are correctly called charge air coolers because they cool the charged air from the compressor of the turbo supercharger or the mechanical supercharger. Intercooler has become the norm and that's fine, but intercooler came about when you have a multi-stage cooling of the charged air. If you had 2 charge air coolers after the compressor the first was called the intercooler and the second was called the aftercooler. I could go on, but this thread is to discuss real applications and isn't a lecture.

So I'm not trying to change the forum dialog here just thought I'd throw this out in case anyone is interested. FYI, I had 15 years of charge air cooler experience working on large diesel applications, and working with Ford and Mercedes AMG on projects like the Ford Lightning, Ford GT, and various AMG projects like the SLK32 AMG (which I own), etc. Does that make me an expert? Not really, but well informed, because of the experts I worked with.
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Old 06-28-2017, 02:23 PM   #289
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How many of you here running AWIC had run water injection before? Cause I ran an intercooler sprayer for a year then i bite the bullet and went water injection. I'd never do AWIC after having the water injection experience.

Nevertheless, impressive and neat work (Y)
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Old 07-23-2017, 08:09 PM   #290
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Thru my research there are better pump options available. Besides lingenfelters/stuart warner emp29, their are Pierburg cwa series pumps that work with a pwm controller like the tecomotive tinycwa: http://www.tecomotive.com/download/m...er_version.pdf
sfracing also has a cwa pump controller as does davie craigs.
Here is a pump flow chart: file:///C:/Users/matt/Downloads/Pumps%20131108%20Descending%20EMP%20CM30%20Chart.p df
here are some other good reads:
https://mbworld.org/forums/m275-v12-...ion-pumps.html

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Old 11-16-2017, 03:51 PM   #291
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How are these setups holding up under track day sessions?
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:06 AM   #292
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How many of you here running AWIC had run water injection before? Cause I ran an intercooler sprayer for a year then i bite the bullet and went water injection. I'd never do AWIC after having the water injection experience.

Nevertheless, impressive and neat work (Y)
No water enters the engine with these. It's a completely separate standalone system. No controllers. They stay on all the time. The only way water would get in the engine would be if the cooler box had a leak in it.
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Old 12-03-2017, 12:42 PM   #293
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These setups ave come along way thatís for sure. I remember when I had to be worried about a clog .
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