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Old 06-27-2021, 09:34 PM   #1
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Default Looking for a good track/DD pad

I currently have Hawk HPS+ but just burnt those up in a single 3 day event. looking for something that wouldn't get pedal fade half way through each day.


I have been recommended Ferodo DS2500 as a replacement by my tire guy, but want to see what others have been using
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Old 06-27-2021, 10:52 PM   #2
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Use separate pads for track and street. Pads that would survive 3 days of track use are not good on the street.
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Old 06-28-2021, 07:51 AM   #3
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I currently have Hawk HPS+ but just burnt those up in a single 3 day event. looking for something that wouldn't get pedal fade half way through each day.
HPS is strictly a street pad. They should never see track time, other than lead-follow lunchtime parade laps at street-ish speeds.

HP+ really isn't enough pad for the track, and will eat your rotors up in street duty.

What you're asking for is a bit of a unicorn, unless you can live with considerable dusting and some noise on the street. Closest I've found, for tracks that aren't terribly hard on brakes, is Carbotech in XP10 or G-loc in R10. Decent cold bite is important on the street.


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Old 06-28-2021, 12:26 PM   #4
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You're at too opposite the spectrum, and you need pads for each thing. The guys over at KNS Brakes can get you set up with the proper stuff.
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Old 06-28-2021, 01:07 PM   #5
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Yeh not going to have a good pad that can do both, swapping pads is the way to go. Personally, ill run Carbotech or Gloc R10s on track, and their street compounds for daily use, the street pads are quiet and have very little dust, the track pads are very rotor friendly and will last a whole season of events for my car at 2800lbs. Your car is chunky around 3500lbs so you may need a more aggressive compound like an R12. If you're driving fast, you may need to upgrade brakes the stock rotor diameter wont cut it.
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Old 06-28-2021, 01:35 PM   #6
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You'll be eating pads at the track. Use 2 separate pads for street and track
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Old 06-28-2021, 02:05 PM   #7
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What you're asking for is a bit of a unicorn, unless you can live with considerable dusting and some noise on the street. Closest I've found, for tracks that aren't terribly hard on brakes, is Carbotech in XP10 or G-loc in R10. Decent cold bite is important on the street.

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Yeh not going to have a good pad that can do both, swapping pads is the way to go. Personally, ill run Carbotech or Gloc R10s on track, and their street compounds for daily use, the street pads are quiet and have very little dust, the track pads are very rotor friendly and will last a whole season of events for my car at 2800lbs. Your car is chunky around 3500lbs so you may need a more aggressive compound like an R12. If you're driving fast, you may need to upgrade brakes the stock rotor diameter wont cut it.

I really don't have problems with dust/noise but will look into those two sets.



Thanks for the suggestions
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Old 06-28-2021, 02:23 PM   #8
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You're at too opposite the spectrum, and you need pads for each thing. The guys over at KNS Brakes can get you set up with the proper stuff.
Hahaha,

Came here to say that as well. Ken is very knowledgeable and can get you sourced.
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Old 07-21-2021, 02:07 AM   #9
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What they said. Get a proper set of pads for track use.
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Old 08-15-2021, 12:23 AM   #10
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I have a similar question about brake pads for use on the track. I have a 2019 WRX with a CVT. I never really had any intention of track driving the car. Long story short, we ended up at an SCCA Track Night in America and I took the car out. It was fun. I still had the stock brakes, brake fluid, and brake pads. I think the brake fluid got hot and the pads certainly wore much more than usual. I made it through the night without an issue.

I anticipate I'll probably take the car out again. I'm just driving it in the Novice group and know the limitations of the CVT, so I'm just treating it more like a spirited drive. I'm going to upgrade the brake pads, rotors, and fluid.

Big issue is the rear pads. Because of the CVT, it runs a different style so it looks like my "best" available choice is the StopTech "Street" pad which is the 308 line. https://centricparts.com/part-detail...baru&model=wrx I was going to pair that with the StopTech rotor which I can get in either solid, slotted, or drilled and slotted. https://centricparts.com/part-detail...baru&model=wrx Any suggestions on what variation of the rotor to go with? I'm also open to suggestions if anyone knows of a different pad for the back of the WRX with CVT.

For the front, I believe I can run the same as every other WRX. I could either match the rear and go with the "Street" pad and the same rotor, or I could use the "Sport" pad from StopTech which is supposed to be more Autocross and light track day oriented pad.

I plan to use Motul 600 fluid.

I just want to be able to go along to those events with my friends on occasion. I'm not planning on going any faster - just would like to improve my stopping.

Thanks for your thoughts...
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Old 08-15-2021, 08:50 AM   #11
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I was going to pair that with the StopTech rotor which I can get in either solid, slotted, or drilled and slotted. Any suggestions on what variation of the rotor to go with?
Either solid or undrilled slotted. Stay away from any rotor that has drilled holes. Crossdrilled holes in rotors represent stress concentrations (places where cracks are far more likely to get started at).


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I'm also open to suggestions if anyone knows of a different pad for the back of the WRX with CVT.
There are a few companies that will make up pads to special shapes. I'm pretty sure that Carbotech and/or G-loc provide that service.

As you ramp up your speed on track (which you will), you're going to need more pad than OE or OE-replacement. Especially with your car's stability control (VDC) typically working the rear brakes separately from anything you're doing with the brake pedal. But for the time being, either XP8 (Carbotech) or R8 (G-loc) ought to be enough pad for your track time without hosing good street manners. There will be some dust and probably some occasional noise during low-energy braking events.

Those pad compounds are probably as close to being reasonably suited to both street and light track driving as pads can get. But if you're up to swapping pads, the street compounds from either of those mfrs are fully compatible with their track compounds.


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Old 08-15-2021, 11:29 PM   #12
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Big issue is the rear pads. Because of the CVT, it runs a different style so it looks like my "best" available choice is the StopTech "Street" pad which is the 308 line. https://centricparts.com/part-detail...baru&model=wrx
I have the StopTech Sport+ pads on the front of my Outback, and Sport on the rear (strictly street use); they're great street pads (good bite, easily modulated) but they did fade somewhat after 6 back-to-back 60-5 mph stops, and would probably handle light track use assuming some straights for cooling. The cold bite is good, unlike Hawk pads, and they fade much less.
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Old 08-16-2021, 08:12 AM   #13
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I have the StopTech Sport+ pads on the front of my Outback, and Sport on the rear (strictly street use); they're great street pads (good bite, easily modulated) but they did fade somewhat after 6 back-to-back 60-5 mph stops, and would probably handle light track use assuming some straights for cooling.
No, they won't.

Not past a slow and cautiously-driven event as a never-done-this-before novice who never forgets that those pads are not meant for track duty.


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Old 08-26-2021, 10:20 PM   #14
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EBC YellowStuff pads are awesome.


Downsides:
- Unholy amounts of brake dust
- Can be a little squeaky
- Long break-in process


Things to note about them:
- Their cold bite IS NOT better than OEM pads, but they reach operating temp very quickly. Literally 1 or 2 stops from 25 mph gets them to temp.
- Their cold bite is not far off from OEM at all.

- Seriously, do not try to rush the break-in. Do as the instructions tell you.
- Don't forget to install their caliper piston rings.
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